Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #11

[Mack the Knife]

This seems odd to me. Sorry if it's been addressed... I'm catching up.

I get that the dogs would do a "war bark" if someone was on the property, but as it appears it was SS, why lurk around? Why not enter the house, or knock, or make their presence known? That was a long drive to make to do something stealthily without making your presence known in the middle of the night. What was he doing and where? The garage? Parents car? Somewhere on the property? It's just odd.

The insinuation (source: that interview, at the same time referenced in the quote) is that DS would not have let SS in if he knocked or texted or whatever. Later in that interview, CS wonders aloud why SS even called him to Kissimmee, and they speculate it was so he wasn’t in the house when SS went to North Port.

• On 2/28, SS tried logging in to his Google account while on his parents WiFi, but was unsuccessful. He told his parents he went to North Port to grab a few things and get his ducks in a row but couldn't find what he was looking for. LE believes he was attempting to log in to Google to deleted images of him abusing MS (78)
  • JS said at this time he tried to log in to his email from her phone but was unsuccessful because of 2 factor authentication

Oy vey this post was long.
At this point, CS had given SS a spare phone to use since his was in LE’s possession. I don’t know if there is any advantage to using his parents wifi here (ie. If that’s reason enough to drive to North Port). If he had problems getting into the account on JS’s phone because of security settings, it is possible that he believed he might be able to log in to the Google account on a recognized IP (his parents wifi) without being required to do 2FA.

 

[Mack the Knife]

Bolding by me for focus.

I find this part interesting because I had the same thoughts a while back. That Jen found out what was going on and went off and SS was taking the blame. I posted about that feeling way upthread. And not because I believe SS needs a break here, because what he did was thoroughly disgusting, but because I can't stop thinking that it could be a possibility.

And it just might explain a lot of things about her behavior.

All MOO.

I’m curious about this hypothesis. If you think JS killed MS, or was present at the time that SS did, how do you think it went down? Was it planned? What was the plan after? Did JS stick it on SS to clean up, or did SS volunteer out of guilt like DS suggests? In what ways did she participate in the cover up? Why isn’t SS pointing the finger?

I’d like to hear anyone’s hypothesis. SS is the one who has been arrested, and so the information we have is inherently centered around the case against him, which leaves some blank spots. But I’m curious what people are seeing that they believe supports JS having direct responsibility (ie. in actions, not just moral responsibility). Please share!

 

[KooshBall]

So JS was informed by the school counselor that MS was drawing sexual pictures and that didn't raise a red flag? The more we learn, the more it makes sense that MS couldn't go to JS about what was happening to her. That has got to be the most ultimate betrayal, to know your mother will not protect you.

 

[Seattle1]

In one of those interviews, deb was crying, saying " he couldn't get in" and Now I cant remember why, something was locked that normally wasnt I think. I'll try to find it.

Dad/CS explained this earlier -- something about he took the digital keypad off the door for some tech related issue and that SS would not be able to enter.

 

[Pruddennce]

Messaging each other in the same house is totally a thing, imo. I think a comedian and his wife built a whole podcast on this phenomenon. (I think it was Patton Oswalt?)

I'll text my older kiddo from down the hallway... "hey so tomorrow we leave at 745am cuz I have an appt in the morning, ok?" So that I KNOW they see it and they're chatting with friends or doing homework!

The content & context of the message is what disturbs me. "She's made her nest".... AS A 37 YEAR OLD MAN LIES IN A BED WITH A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL..... is the HUMONGOUS issue here.

yes, HUMONGOUS!!!! yes, its true some people engage in texting while in the same home. it is a funny to me. in this scenario, SUPPOSEDLY, both of them just left JS, as she *sent them off to bed*. Madeline was so HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY talking about her party and showing her the presents. and lets not forget according to JS stating in the LE vehicle ride, she said WE watched Sister Act, 'well not all of it', she said.

IMO, JS never saw or spoke to her daughter that nite. Madeline used no electronics, no phone per JS and said 'good nite' and 'yeah thats it' <-------JS media interview. never mentions watching a movie. I can believe no electronics use NOW....IMO she was incapacitated.

 

[Pruddennce]

So JS was informed by the school counselor that MS was drawing sexual pictures and that didn't raise a red flag? The more we learn, the more it makes sense that MS couldn't go to JS about what was happening to her. That has got to be the most ultimate betrayal, to know your mother will not protect you.

JS BullS'd the teacher counselor (audio released of her LE interview) when she was contacted about it. JS said Madeline was seeing a therapist once a week. IOW, JS is taking care of Madeline's well being and her emotional issues, no worries!

was Madeline seeing a therapist? or was that BS so the counselor wouldnt escalate it? also, was Madeline formally diagnosed as having asthma, (inhaler in backpack and school teachers interviews about it)... because it sure seems JS disregarded that medical issue when she was 'reported missing', as well as no mention in media interviews.

 

[iamshadow21]

JS BullS'd the teacher counselor (audio released of her LE interview) when she was contacted about it. JS said Madeline was seeing a therapist once a week. IOW, JS is taking care of Madeline's well being and her emotional issues, no worries!

was Madeline seeing a therapist? or was that BS so the counselor wouldnt escalate it? also, was Madeline formally diagnosed as having asthma, (inhaler in backpack and school teachers interviews about it)... because it sure seems JS disregarded that medical issue when she was 'reported missing', as well as no mention in media interviews.

She would have needed to see someone who could prescribe ADHD meds. A regular GP can't... at least, that's how it is in my country.

MOO

 

[ttjo]

Dad/CS explained this earlier -- something about he took the digital keypad off the door for some tech related issue and that SS would not be able to enter.

Thank you, I was having trouble finding it.

 

[FromGermany1]

To keep people from walking in when you don't want anyone walking in. It's not like it's a keyed lock that you lock when you leave the room, it's to lock people out when you're inside.

(hopefully I'm not spamming the thread. I'm getting caught up at a time when the thread has gone to sleep. lol)

25 years ago, we had these locks on our apartment doors in a tenement house (4 families). If a stranger appeared at the door, you hadn't to let him in, but you could talk to him at the slightly opened door, the chain hooked.
In case SS, his bed certainly was positioned in a way, that you couldn't have a view onto it, standing at the slightly opened room door. How convenient. Should "someone" have had a concern and showed up at his room door (chain hooked), he could have answered a question or two and could have said "Pst! Maddie is already sleeping, don't wake the poor girl up!"

 

[FromGermany1]

Like that’s another thing that really bothers me about this case. Maddie was picking up all these mental health buzzwords — like “overstimulated” —to describe her feelings without even knowing what they meant. This was proven when she couldn’t explain those feelings to her counselor. And if I had to guess, I’d bet my life savings that she was being fed that stuff by her mom. And I remember one of her friends said something in an interview to the effect of MS “was starting to show signs of bipolar” (which is utter BS if you ask me).

It makes me so angry and incredibly sad that JS was likely projecting all of her mental health issues onto to Maddie. It guess it just really hits home to me because my mom has bipolar disorder (and my granny had it, too). So, I’ve spent my entire adult life on pins and needles waiting for the bipolar bomb to drop on me. (So far, so good). Thankfully, my mom never once made me feel like her issues were my issues. I was able to enjoy my childhood without worrying about what the future might bring. It saddens me to think that Madeline wasn’t even afforded that simple luxury on top of all of the other horrors that were going on at home. UGH!

It seems to me sometimes like a Munchausen syndrome, that JS had and practiced. Everything circling around the mental health of her daughter, to get herself constant attention and help (help by all the adults in her radius, whether SS or grandpa or grandma or CS or M's bio father or whoever). MOO

 

[cujenn81]

She would have needed to see someone who could prescribe ADHD meds. A regular GP can't... at least, that's how it is in my country.

MOO

GP’s can prescribe ADHD meds here in the U.S.

 

[photographer4]

Agreed. The way JS says MS "never made it" to school consistently always struck me as odd phrasing. Also, Jen seemed to glitch in one of her earlier interviews with media. Scroll to the 50 second mark below... "I don't know if something happened... on ... her... walk along the way or she got taken but she never made it."

"I don't know if something happened..." Pause. And then she resumes the script.
But what was she going to say?

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but so much about this story just doesn't add up.
For example, JS can't remember if she told Maddie she'd be picking her up from school that Monday, but she does remember what Maddie was wearing. I'm not even sure how long Jen waited at the school for Maddie to get out. Iirc, MS got out around 4pm. JS waited a few minutes before deciding Maddie wasn't there and took off for her mom's office, even though she didn't even remember ever telling MS to go there.

But this itself makes no sense! She was there waiting well before the bell went and any kids exited the building! No chance MS could have left to go to her mother’s office without having been seen by Js. The absurdity is astounding! Mooo

 

[photographer4]

No. I've seen others do it and find it WEIRD. (Note that I'm not a cell phone user and feel like they have them superglued to their hands and can't put them down)

My fam does this all the time. Even one room over. I don’t find this weird. But the content of the messages are weird imo.

 

[charminglane]

Do we know if the roommates paid JS or did they pay her father?

 

[photographer4]

I’m curious about this hypothesis. If you think JS killed MS, or was present at the time that SS did, how do you think it went down? Was it planned? What was the plan after? Did JS stick it on SS to clean up, or did SS volunteer out of guilt like DS suggests? In what ways did she participate in the cover up? Why isn’t SS pointing the finger?

I’d like to hear anyone’s hypothesis. SS is the one who has been arrested, and so the information we have is inherently centered around the case against him, which leaves some blank spots. But I’m curious what people are seeing that they believe supports JS having direct responsibility (ie. in actions, not just moral responsibility). Please share!

I think jS easily could have killed her daughter. It could be as simple as MS not agreeing to sleep with SS imo. Per the police interviews I posted thread via a link to grey Hughes, grandma noted Ms was crying and didn’t want to go somewhere. Imagine if MS started to cry and refuse to go to bed with SS? jS was all about herself and her need for sleep so… that may have been all it took to set off JS. She could then have become angry, grabbed MS by the throat and, “That was it” (JS many times in various statements to Le or media).

I see no reason for SS to have killed her. None. She was an easy victim in that mum didn’t give a damn what happened so long as she got to sleep.

Mooo. Speculation only.

 

[charminglane]

I think jS easily could have killed her daughter. It could be as simple as MS not agreeing to sleep with SS imo. Per the police interviews I posted thread via a link to grey Hughes, grandma noted Ms was crying and didn’t want to go somewhere. Imagine if MS started to cry and refuse to go to bed with SS? jS was all about herself and her need for sleep so… that may have been all it took to set off JS. She could then have become angry, grabbed MS by the throat and, “That was it” (JS many times in various statements to Le or media).

I see no reason for SS to have killed her. None. She was an easy victim in that mum didn’t give a damn what happened so long as she got to sleep.

Mooo. Speculation only.

I can see that.

 

[Gemmie]

• I don’t really get why SS called C to come down or why C did. Despite his parents supporting him financially, CS and SS don’t seem close, and he said he didn’t interact with JS much before this. It’s sort of odd.
  • CS and DS seem to think it's so that SS could break into the house, maybe to steal money.

I thought SS was living with his parents. Why would his parents think he'd need to break into the house? Since they do, I'm guessing he had to give back his house key when he was staying at JS's? Either way that seems odd to me since he goes back and forth. He hadn't totally moved out of his parents house. Per the 896 pg data dump:

Pg 113 - <13-year old friend> stated that he recently moved out of the residence

Pg 341 - Per a JS interview - Stephan had moved out of the home in the later part of 2023 (November/December).

Pg 872 - Per JS interview #1 - Stephan no longer lives in the home with JS and Maddie, as he moved out in December of 2023; however, he has come to visit two or three times since then. When Stephan visits the home, he will sleep in the guest bedroom upstairs

Same page and interview - The reason Stephan moved out of the home is because he was offered a job by his father; however, the job fell through, and he is trying to move back. Typically when Stephan visits he will stay for a few days; however this time, he planned to stay for a week.

So, all the above tells me he was still living at his parents, and planned to stay with JS for a week. I can't image that they'd demand his house key back each and every time he stayed at JS's for days/week. So, why would they think he would need to break into the house for money?

 

[Gemmie]

Room #3 also has the same chain thingy on its interior. Probably since the rooms were being individually rented out by dad of Jenn, they put those on.

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That's an odd thing to do IMO. Whoever put them on the doors figured only people needed protection from other's living there when they were in their rooms, but that their rooms and possessions never needed protection when not in the room or the home. Otherwise they would have put keyed locks on the doors so they could be locked from inside, or outside, when they leave the room unattended.

 

[charminglane]

That's an odd thing to do IMO. Whoever put them on the doors figured only people needed protection from other's living there when they were in their rooms, but that their rooms and possessions never needed protection when not in the room or the home. Otherwise they would have put keyed locks on the doors so they could be locked from inside, or outside, when they leave the room unattended.

I'm assuming they had both.

 

[scapa]

the 'crush' .....SS and JS making a point about how Madeline is 'open' with them about her interest in a boy...IMO, not credible as in a mother/daughter heart to heart about her boy 'interest'. if anything, it was a blowup conversation of some sort with one or both of them. IMO

teacher Angela, through her LE interview did bring up about Madeline being shocked reading a graphic novel that had kissing in it as well as her and her friends were shocked about the LadyGaGa song and knew what was referenced in the song. but she says: "that's most of my students they're 12, they're just learning about that kind of thing going through sex ed and science class."

IMO, Madeline was going along with her friends to fit in, pretended to be shocked about sexual innuendos and kissing....add in her sitting through a sex ed class wherein **'abstinence' is promoted....OMG, in addition to the trauma of SA, this is what Madeline was navigating as well.

I wonder if the sex ed class triggered the severe emotional responses which prompted frequent visits to the nurse claiming she would 'feel sick' or needed to see the counselor.

** Health and Disease Education

"OCPS supports the comprehensive sexuality education model whereby sexual abstinence is promoted (per FL State Statute 1003.46) as the most effective protection against unplanned pregnancies and STDs, including HIV/AIDS Disease. In addition, comprehensive sexual education also recognizes the realities of sexual behaviors among teenagers and addresses issues relating to contraception and STD prevention, including HIV/AIDS Disease prevention. In addition, all curriculum aligns with state mandates and course standards for teaching sexual health education that is evidence-based, medically accurate, and age-appropriate.

Parents are able to exempt their children from the teaching of reproductive health or any disease, including HIV/AIDS (per FL State Statute 1003.42). OCPS parents and/or guardian who wish to exempt their children from participating in reproductive health and disease instruction, including instruction relating to HIV/AIDS, can make a written request to their children's school principal. Visit your children's school's website for principal contact information."

Argh.

All the horror of her young life, and then this additional cruelty -- because "abstinence" is down to the 8-13 YO child serially abused in her own home seemingly without notice, if not passive acquiescence.

This case just gets worse and worse. Did no one, anywhere, offer M any protection in her life?