Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #11

[Red Pill]

Why does it need to be taken literally?

The document she signed is a Sworn Statement, the officer witnessing it signed as well. Not sure how that plays out in a court of law or if you are allowed to ammend it.

(Thanks for all the documents, btw. Very helpful!)

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[Knox]

In an emergency people are not always thinking straight and/or able to articulate perfectly.

I know we nit pick apart everything in cases sitting here on the outside but sometimes it seems excessive. Just too much, especially when we have not been in that exact situation ourselves, we cannot possibly know what we would or would not do/say etc moo

That's so true. In an "emergency situation" your adrenaline is flowing and your thoughts are racing. If your child is missing your sense of urgency doesn't allow you sit still. You may even think not enough is being done to find them, you need to go look for them yourself. You're running their last words, actions, what may be missing from thier room. Thinking of what you can tell those searching and LE which might help to find them.

Words don't have to be perfect and people react differently, but I think those of us not in that situation - have an innate sense of what that person is experiencing. If it's not genuine, if there is avoidance or a sense the truth isn't being told. The public is going to recognize that. Jen did not come across well in her interviews, then she dropped off the end of the earth. I'm still asking myself why that is? I don't feel bad for questioning her behavior, JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

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Are we able to compare and see, whether MS or JS wrote the notes about trauma?
The 2. pic is JS' handwriting.

I didn't know there was any doubt. They are clearly both written by JS. The vowels are by the same author. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I know this goes against popular opinion, but I honestly don’t think she was “lying” or being intentionally untruthful. That initial report says she “saw” MS, but every subsequent report where she is asked about it, she says she heard her or she thinks she heard her. She never gave specifics on seeing her (did JS get out of bed? Where was Maddie?) but she does get specific about hearing her (heard movement in the kitchen, assumed it was Maddie). I don’t see anything that would make her want to back away from that lie, if it was a lie. I chalk a lot of it up to all the anxiety and stress that would be building up in the hours of waiting for police and then the hours of working with them after they arrived. I wouldn’t expect any report to be 100% accurate at that point, or any point really.

The same goes for saying “we” dropped her off. I think she might even say “I” in one instance. Despite saying “we,” she also repeatedly talked about Stephan taking MS to school or how JS slept in. She keeps saying “we” even after it’s established that she didn’t take MS to school. It seems like it’s just how she talks.

Also as a caveat: I don’t quite mean that she wasn’t lying or couldn’t be lying, and more mean that the in the set of circumstances, I don’t think her language means she was definitely lying.

Yes, I agree. JS was medicated and her alarm set for her to awake about 2 hours later. I think JS barely remembers SS taking the dog out, and doubt JS ever got out of bed before MS was loaded into SS vehicle, and headed to the dumpster. Leaving home early for the school run was not the norm here. JMO

 

[CuriousCricket]

In an emergency people are not always thinking straight and/or able to articulate perfectly.

I know we nit pick apart everything in cases sitting here on the outside but sometimes it seems excessive. Just too much, especially when we have not been in that exact situation ourselves, we cannot possibly know what we would or would not do/say etc moo

People have varying levels of verbal ability. There is even a disability (I don't know the name) that a smart person simply can't express themselves. One of my favorite aunts had it and a younger sister helped her through school. My sister taught for many years and worked with gifted. She told me what the disability is called, but I don't recall. I just know that some people are gifted with words. Some are not. When you add mental fog from drugs . . . well, if you get anything that makes sense, that's a good day.

 

[Mack the Knife]

Because words need to be exact in an emergency.
Seen. Heard. Two completely different senses.
Otherwise it is assuming.

That’s a reason why it is important for witnesses (which JS was in this circumstance) to be exact and literal and precise, but that doesn’t mean that JS or any other witness will be exact and literal and precise when we would want them to. Witnesses are incorrect all the time without lying. Sometimes they mean something other than how it is interpreted, sometimes they are outright wrong.

A witness said they saw SS changing his tire with the help of a red headed man at a time we know he was not changing that tire (17). Is that witness lying? Presumably no. He most likely misremembered the time or saw someone else.

I believe that law enforcement expects and anticipates these kinds of discrepancies and errors. I argue that witness statements should not be taken literally, they should be considered open to interpretation and further interrogation to confirm that LE’s understanding is the same as the witness’s meaning.

 

[Seattle1]

wondering the same thing, he had the honda civic. why did he take the Lincoln owned by CS? good question...what vehicle did CS drive up in? wasnt there a second lincoln? its confusing in the attached. because it says in the Honda narrative SS has access and known to drive Lincoln MKZ "which is registered to him. BUT: the plate number is the Honda's... must be an error?

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I believe naming SS as the registered owner of any vehicle other than the Honda Civic would be in error.

Also, I presumed the "pet/poodle ambulance" was the Lincoln parked in the driveway along with the Honda (Mrs Sterns) but maybe it was the 2010 Lincoln SS borrowed to drive from his parents to Orange County.

Also, I think there are a total of 3 Lincolns: 2010 MKZ borrowed by SS, Mrs. Sterns Lincoln, and a Lincoln that was being driven by Mr. Sterns (CS).

I recall JS Nissan and the MKZ Lincoln were taken to OCPD stalls to be searched at the same time. MOO