Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #11

[LetsSolvIt]

I think it's safe to say that SS's defense strategy is likely going to be SODDI and the third party they will likely point toward is JS.

To get ahead of the defense, the DA already knows that JS was less than truthful with LE in her earlier interviews. If we found the discrepancies -- you know LE did too. At a minimum, JS could be charged with a misdemeanor for inconsistencies during the investigation.

The State does not want to be in the position of JS being deposed or called as a defense witness where the obvious question before the minds of the jury will be to wonder why the witness, mother of the child, was not prosecuted for lying to police during the investigation.

Granting JS Definitive Use Immunity is also known as the State making a deal with the devil to protect the State's prosecution and conviction of SS for murdering MS.

In other words, if the State doesn't call JS as their witness, the defense certainly will and by giving JS Definitive Use Immunity, they gave her a clean slate, a do-over, to get her answers right this time. Answers that do not align with SS's answers as they did during the missing person investigation. JMO

What is SODDI?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

What is SODDI?

Some other dude did it

In this case, some other dame did it, I expect

 

[Inthedetails]

I've said this before, but I've now listened to that interview several times with commentary by various youtube creators, and none of the questions asked of her were gratuitous.

They knew they had limited time--her lawyer made sure of that--so they were not going to waste any of it
on unimportant things.

ETA: The first time I heard it I was all "where did THAT come from?" when the subject of SS stealing Maddie's Christmas money came up. But these are experienced professionals. There was something behind that question.

IMO of course.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I can go back and check too, but someone might remember) - didn't money that came out of nowhere come up with the interview with SS's parents? I seem to recall the parents were asked at some point where some money came from that SS had, and the dad said he had no idea.

Could that be Maddie's Christmas money? And JS saying "they found it later" was a lie?

idk

jmo

 

[ttjo]

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I can go back and check too, but someone might remember) - didn't money that came out of nowhere come up with the interview with SS's parents? I seem to recall the parents were asked at some point where some money came from that SS had, and the dad said he had no idea.

Could that be Maddie's Christmas money? And JS saying "they found it later" was a lie?

idk

jmo

If I recall correctly they also said they had a Rolex missing. I'd have to listen again too.

 

[Inthedetails]

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I can go back and check too, but someone might remember) - didn't money that came out of nowhere come up with the interview with SS's parents? I seem to recall the parents were asked at some point where some money came from that SS had, and the dad said he had no idea.

Could that be Maddie's Christmas money? And JS saying "they found it later" was a lie?

idk

jmo

I'm re-listening to the interview w/ SS's parents and the money reference wasn't as specific as I remember, but basically the dad told SS to move back home because the dad wasn't going to pay rent for Room 4 in the townhouse anymore. SS repeatedly asked the dad for money, yet SS had money for packages to be sent to him and the dad had no idea where the money came from. He also mentions that SS made $30K from his Disney job and couldn't support himself on that amount.

Seems that SS spent Thanksgiving with JS and there was one other visit between Thanksgiving and Maddie's birthday. Could it have been Christmas?

I don't have the evidence, but I'm suspicious about what happened with Maddie's gift money. imo

jmo

ETA: Later in the same interview the dad said SS spent Thanksgiving with them (the parents) and Christmas with Jen.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I'm re-listening to the interview w/ SS's parents and the money reference wasn't as specific as I remember, but basically the dad told SS to move back home because the dad wasn't going to pay rent for Room 4 in the townhouse anymore. SS repeatedly asked the dad for money, yet SS had money for packages to be sent to him and the dad had no idea where the money came from. He also mentions that SS made $30K from his Disney job and couldn't support himself on that amount.

Snipped and bolded for focus

And yet in the interview with JS just released, she says she told SS in October that he needed to move out by December 1.

So many discrepancies hurt my head

 

[IzzyBlanche]

After more pondering.

I find it difficult to believe that JS ever asked SS to move out.

 

[photographer4]

which results in "I dont remember" and "I dont know'. she doesnt remember the 'nest' text and doesnt know what that means.

Funny that.

 

[ttjo]

After more pondering.

I find it difficult to believe that JS ever asked SS to move out.

Me too, I think it was more like Daddy cut him off.

I'm re-listening to the interview w/ SS's parents and the money reference wasn't as specific as I remember, but basically the dad told SS to move back home because the dad wasn't going to pay rent for Room 4 in the townhouse anymore. SS repeatedly asked the dad for money, yet SS had money for packages to be sent to him and the dad had no idea where the money came from.

I don't have the evidence, but I'm suspicious about what happened with Maddie's gift money. imo

jmo

when his dad asked him where he was getting money from for the packages he told his dad he had savings. If he cant pay his own rent how did he have savings ?? so maybe there's something to the Christmas money missing ? This was happening when he moved back to north port (DEC) That would be about as pathetic as it gets.

 

[Pruddennce]

Another thing that struck me about the interview: the questioners had moved on when she stopped them to retell the story of SS accidentally doing a factory reset of his phone.

She answered a question that hadn't even been asked, IIRC.

yes! why was it so important for her to slide that info in, they did not ask her.

WJ: So was that the plan, to get her together, or was it ever discussed that he would get her alone?
JS: The plan was for us to get her together
WJ: Okay. Alright. So does he leave before you leave
JS: Uhhh.. Actually, before this, while we were still discussing—while we were having the conversation in my room, he did mention at one point, oh, while he was sitting there, that he had to reboot his phone or that he had to update his phone.
WJ: Mhm.
JS: And, I told him, "Stop avoiding it. Do it. It's an update, it'll take a while, just do it." And while he was updating his phone, he said, "I don't know what I did, but I--I just factory reset my phone."
WJ: Mhm.
JS: I said, "That's weird. I didn’t know you could do that." He said, "Yeah, a button popped up and I pressed it, and it just reset my entire phone." And I'm like, "Oh, that sucks." Um.

isnt it amazing how JS can relay every single conversation with SS without a hiccup. yet with Madeline, there are no particulars with any information concerning her whopping 30 minutes with her other than birthday money talk and 'she thinks a few trinkets', Madeline is happy and thats it. (no movie and no singing story in this interview.)

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Yes, Pru, and you can bet those detectives in the room were taking note.

So sick that she is still trying to cover for him when by this time she had been shown photo proof of the abuse he had inflicted on Madeline.

 

[Pruddennce]

Yes, Pru, and you can bet those detectives in the room were taking note.

So sick that she is still trying to cover for him when by this time she had been shown photo proof of the abuse he had inflicted on Madeline.

and this: why the big interruption by her attorney concerning the question when SS got there. in prior interview(s) she said about 10 minutes after Madeline got home. now its "I dont know". and a call or text from him, 'she doesnt remember'. which, IMO, is significant why his arrival time and contact with her is being avoided.

WJ: And was it your understanding from your sister that she had gotten dropped off about 8:30, she being Madeline?
JS: 8:30-8:45, something around that time, yeah.
WJ: And what's your understanding as to when Stephan had gotten there.
JS: Deep sigh...
WJ: If you know? If you don't, don't guess; it's fine.
MB: Actually, while he's saying that, this is important. So there’s things that you might think should be a certain way because that's just the way things go, um, but don’t just guess based on past history that it's the same as what happened on that particular day. If you don't know, you don't know.
JS: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what time he-he got there.
WJ: Okay. You were at work, so I just didn't know if sometimes families check in, "Hey, I made it," by text or by phone call or anything like that. Do you not remember any of that?
JS: I don't remember.

 

[photographer4]

yes! why was it so important for her to slide that info in, they did not ask her.

WJ: So was that the plan, to get her together, or was it ever discussed that he would get her alone?
JS: The plan was for us to get her together
WJ: Okay. Alright. So does he leave before you leave
JS: Uhhh.. Actually, before this, while we were still discussing—while we were having the conversation in my room, he did mention at one point, oh, while he was sitting there, that he had to reboot his phone or that he had to update his phone.
WJ: Mhm.
JS: And, I told him, "Stop avoiding it. Do it. It's an update, it'll take a while, just do it." And while he was updating his phone, he said, "I don't know what I did, but I--I just factory reset my phone."
WJ: Mhm.
JS: I said, "That's weird. I didn’t know you could do that." He said, "Yeah, a button popped up and I pressed it, and it just reset my entire phone." And I'm like, "Oh, that sucks." Um.

isnt it amazing how JS can relay every single conversation with SS without a hiccup. yet with Madeline, there are no particulars with any information concerning her whopping 30 minutes with her other than birthday money talk and 'she thinks a few trinkets', Madeline is happy and thats it. (no movie and no singing story in this interview.)

Lies are often vague imo. Less to remember later. Moo - she’s lying a lot and a lot by omission. Moooo

 

[photographer4]

and this: why the big interruption by her attorney concerning the question when SS got there. in prior interview(s) she said about 10 minutes after Madeline got home. now its "I dont know". and a call or text from him, 'she doesnt remember'. which, IMO, is significant why his arrival time and contact with her is being avoided.

WJ: And was it your understanding from your sister that she had gotten dropped off about 8:30, she being Madeline?
JS: 8:30-8:45, something around that time, yeah.
WJ: And what's your understanding as to when Stephan had gotten there.
JS: Deep sigh...
WJ: If you know? If you don't, don't guess; it's fine.
MB: Actually, while he's saying that, this is important. So there’s things that you might think should be a certain way because that's just the way things go, um, but don’t just guess based on past history that it's the same as what happened on that particular day. If you don't know, you don't know.
JS: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what time he-he got there.
WJ: Okay. You were at work, so I just didn't know if sometimes families check in, "Hey, I made it," by text or by phone call or anything like that. Do you not remember any of that?
JS: I don't remember.

“Do you not remember…”? Makes me think they know someone checked in via text. Many isn’t she sure? I wonder if something in the answer implicates her in some way? She knew he was to come help with Ms so why clam up over his arrival time?? According to her that was planned. He would come stay and help with her. Something about her answers and lack of answers (“idk”) etc makes me think she is sooo very guilty. Of what? Not sure. But at a minimum I think she and he concocted this missing story and she knows the truth is going to screw her. Mooo

 

[Pruddennce]

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I can go back and check too, but someone might remember) - didn't money that came out of nowhere come up with the interview with SS's parents? I seem to recall the parents were asked at some point where some money came from that SS had, and the dad said he had no idea.

Could that be Maddie's Christmas money? And JS saying "they found it later" was a lie?

idk

jmo

you have a good memory! yes, the dad was referring to packages after SS came back and he (dad) didnt know where the money was coming from for those packages and his 'expensive toys'. parents go on to say the rolex is missing (his mother's father's) and the Omega watch. father says SS inherited some money (doesnt say when or from who) and SS impulsively went out and bought the $7,000 Omega watch and he thinks he sold one or both watches.

 

[Pruddennce]

“Do you not remember…”? Makes me think they know someone checked in via text. Many isn’t she sure? I wonder if something in the answer implicates her in some way? She knew he was to come help with Ms so why clam up over his arrival time?? According to her that was planned. He would come stay and help with her. Something about her answers and lack of answers (“idk”) etc makes me think she is sooo very guilty. Of what? Not sure. But at a minimum I think she and he concocted this missing story and she knows the truth is going to screw her. Mooo

yes, it was interesting how that was phrased. but his arrival time was an issue for JS and SS from the very beginning of this case once the doc interviews were released.

he didnt want to say....he said the weekend. then he was asked what day.....he paused and did the 'oh yeah, it was Sunday, it was Madeline's birthday' and blah blah. when JS is asked, it varies: this answer: I dont remember in the docs released.

then there is chatty cheerful JS in the LE vehicle on the way to the presser with this explanation: he wasnt at the party, she says he was on his way during the party and arrived sunday nite, 'she thinks' about 10 minutes after Madeline got home. and describes all about what his role was for Madeline that nite and goes on about Madeline singing and all 3 of them watching SisterAct, but not the whole thing. <-----singing and the movie are no longer part of her 'last time she saw Madeline narrative'....and she did have an opportunity to add it:

WJ: Okay. Now during this 30 minutes that the three of you are in your bedroom, is Madeline engaging in any of her kind of nighttime routine or getting ready for bed? What else is going on, if anything?

JS: Ummmm... We spent a long time talking about gifts and having her show me, and then we counted out her money. Um... (long pause) I can't remember if she had finished with all of her bedtime routine.

and again:
MM: Okay. That night—Saturday or Sunday night—when you guys were spending this half hour of time together, was all you that you were doing talking about gifts and counting her money, or were you guys doing anything else

JS: Just asking her for more details about the party and telling me, like, what I missed. She seemed like she had a really good time.


according to JS, Madeline showered, she changed out of her birthday dress and says 'would have been in pajamas' (but not sure which), she brushes her teeth in the shower. took her meds. so what was left for the bedroom routine that she cant remember if Madeline was finished?????

IMO, she never saw Madeline alive that nite.

 

[Tealgrove]

JS usually makes breakfast.... I dont see that happening....

She’d actually need to get up out of bed in order to do that.

MOO

 

[ttjo]

“Do you not remember…”? Makes me think they know someone checked in via text. Many isn’t she sure? I wonder if something in the answer implicates her in some way? She knew he was to come help with Ms so why clam up over his arrival time?? According to her that was planned. He would come stay and help with her. Something about her answers and lack of answers (“idk”) etc makes me think she is sooo very guilty. Of what? Not sure. But at a minimum I think she and he concocted this missing story and she knows the truth is going to screw her. Mooo

I believe he was trying to make it look like an abduction, on feb 26 th , He called his dad and told him he had a flat tire. dads thinking there is always some issue and how much is this going to cost me now... Dad seems to have some radar for Stephans antics. Stephan probably thinks if he tells him about the flat now , it will lessen dad's suspicions about his involvement in what he kew he would have to tell him later. at 6:18 he calls dad again to tell him hes on his way to Maddies grandma's house because there has been "an incident", he tells his dad maddie wasnt at school when jenn went to pick her up and she forgot her phone (he add's yeah she does that sometimes) , and that the area is known for sex traffickers ( lie) . and, and, and, it was about 2 hrs since maddi was discovered missing and he is already implying she was probably trafficked.
Later that night ( or whenever that first interview came out) jenn basically said the same thing, " I think someone took her"
Maybe there was some hope that everyone would end up believing thats what happened.
Dumping her knapsack in their own trash and then saying when he dropped her off he watched her dig in her knapsack? He drove her to school!!! How was he going to explain that knapsack being in the trash.? Good thing he is from simple-town.

 

[MissPie]

MS, a minor child, died under suspicious means that were determined to be criminal, not an accident, under JS's watch.

JS was under criminal investigation and had to make a decision if she was going to cooperate with the investigation of her daughter's murder or not.

IMO, JS lawyered up, and made the decision to cooperate but not without some form of protection for herself. There are three types of immunity, and JS received the middle ground. IMO, she got more than she deserved.

Derivative Use Immunity (DUI) is better than Use Immunity because it prevents the government from using not only JS's direct statements and evidence against her, but it also protects her from any evidence derived through additional information the authorities might derive from her as she cooperates by giving the DA and investigators honest answers to their questions about both herself and SS.

JS's DUI won't protect her from the government using evidence against her that it obtained completely independent of her cooperation. For example, an independent source, and/or an independent investigation could still result in evidence to prosecute her. IMO, the person who could probably hurt her is SS but she's covered now. JMO

Does immunity go away if she lies during the questioning? I hope LE had a really, really compelling reason for offering her DUI. It’s hard to stomach that she is slipping through the cracks.

 

[Inthedetails]

She’d actually need to get up out of bed in order to do that.

MOO

I am assuming "making breakfast" means shouting "take a granola bar with you!" from her king-sized bed in the bedroom with the door cracked because she has a cat and a dog who pees on the bed.

jmo