FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[glamourkitty1922]

The cure for that is not confronting anyone over parking.He could have went inside to tell a store manager or he could have called LE.
And there was no indication that Markeis would have killed anyone.IMO

Freedom of speech. Why shouldn't he tell someone who is self centered enough to deprive the handicapped of their right to access that they should move? Where do you see any indication of MM showing mercy? He comes up from behind the man and violently slams him to the concrete, which was a cowardly move. I don't see where there was a chance of compassion there. It was self defense. D was lucky to survive the encounter with that crazy violent man.

 

[kimlynn]

It wasn't a 'shove'. It was a violent slam to the ground.

No it was a shove.Forceful but still a shove.IMO

 

[kimlynn]

Freedom of speech. Why shouldn't he tell someone who is self centered enough to deprive the handicapped of their right to access that they should move? Where do you see any indication of MM showing mercy? He comes up from behind the man and violently slams him to the concrete, which was a cowardly move. I don't see where there was a chance of compassion there. It was self defense. D was lucky to survive the encounter with that crazy violent man.

Compassion? A strange possibly loud stranger was possibly yelling and gesturing toward his family.
And yes parking in a handicapped spot was wrong,but it wasn't up to him to confront the driver or passenger about their transgression.
As far as the approach it was from the side...not from behind

 

[Wagtales10]

he takes 2 steps back before the gun was ever pulled. Count them..1..2.

Then he turns and has both foot and his hips facing away from lunatic Drejka. There is no possible way someone can charge someone with feet and hips pointing in a different direction.

 

[SeesSeas]

Slammed to the ground. Sheriff:
Markeis should not have gone up and slammed this guy to the ground.
Markeis wouldn’t be dead if Markeis didn’t slam this guy to the ground.

WATCH: Pinellas County Sheriff says no charges for 'Stand Your Ground' shooter
CLEARWATER, Fla. (WFLA) - Below is the transcript of Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri's press conference Friday afternoon regarding the 'Stand Your Ground' shooting on Thursday, July 19, 2018 in Clearwater.

Markeis engaged in unlawful conduct himself. Markeis should not have gone up and slammed this guy to the ground. Markeis wouldn’t be dead if Markeis didn’t slam this guy to the ground. So Markeis has got skin in this game, too. And the reason why it makes it justified, and within the framework of ‘Stand Your Ground’, is because of what Markeis did.

 

[Wagtales10]

At no point was Markeis ever on top of <modsnip> drejka. other than a shove where Drejka fell down, Markeis was never closer than 8 feet from Drejka, he never advanced, he was stepping back. Markeis stood his ground with a push to protect his wife and children from a scary screaming obviously homicidal white man.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Compassion? A strange possibly loud stranger was possibly yelling and gesturing toward his family.
And yes parking in a handicapped spot was wrong,but it wasn't up to him to confront the driver or passenger about their transgression.
As far as the approach it was from the side...not from behind

Ok, please post a link where telling someone they're in a handicapped slot is illegal. When you do, please post a link where it says that telling someone they're in a handicapped space allows someone to violently slam you to the concrete.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

At no point was Markeis ever on top of <modsnip> drejka. other than a shove where Drejka fell down, Markeis was never closer than 8 feet from Drejka, he never advanced, he was stepping back. Markeis stood his ground with a push to protect his wife and children from a scary screaming obviously homicidal white man.

LOL, only in fisherman measurements is M 8 feet from D. In real terms, if M was lying on the ground, his head would be in D's lap. That is dangerously close. Look at the video. M only backed away AFTER he was shot. It was self defense.

 

[Wagtales10]

LOL, only in fisherman measurements is M 8 feet from D. In real terms, if M was lying on the ground, his head would be in D's lap. That is dangerously close. Look at the video. M only backed away AFTER he was shot. It was self defense.

If you actually watch the video you will see two clear steps backward before the gun was ever pulled and pointed. Can you explain why when he was shot his feet and hips were pointing 90 degrees to the right, away from <modsnip> Drejka? The picture I post clearly shows which direction he was facing.

<modsnip: name calling of victim or suspect is not allowed>

 

[SeesSeas]

Markeis was never closer than 8 feet from Drejka,

Markeis McGlockton was definitely closer than 8 feet from Drejka.
M is standing in a position where only about half of the access aisle is clear. The access aisle is 5 feet wide. D is sitting 2 feet (at most 3 feet) from the edge of the access aisle.
I estimate there is 5 feet to 6 feet between M and D.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
Parking access aisles must be at least 5 feet wide and must be part of an accessible route to the building or facility entrance. The access aisle must be striped diagonally to designate it as a no-parking zone.

 

[SeesSeas]

Drejka was on the ground and Markeis was almost 12 feet away.

Markeis was never closer than 8 feet from Drejka

No way is their distance 12 feet or 8 feet. It's about 5 or 6 feet between M & D.

And, M is "still facing him" when D fires the gun.

Sheriff says "a few feet":
WATCH: Pinellas County Sheriff says no charges for 'Stand Your Ground' shooter

So Drejka falls back, and as Drejka falls back, he is on his rear end, on the ground. And at that point, McGlockton is still a few feet away. McGlockton is facing Drejka, and Drejka’s on the ground. And when Drejka had been slammed to the ground, he then reaches—because he’s a concealed carry permit holder, and he can lawfully carry a concealed firearm—he reaches and takes out his firearm.

And at that point, McGlockton is still, again, a few feet away. He’s facing Drejka. Looks like he’s starting to turn away a little bit—maybe as we would call ‘blading’, which is kind of at an angle—but he’s not turned away, he’s still facing him. And at that point, Drejka fires one round. And it strikes McGlockton right here in the chest.

 

[Hraefn]

That is called a violent assault and people don't have to allow themselves to be assaulted in America. Here is a novel idea, everyone should keep their hands off other people. There wouldn't be a need for self defense then.

Here is a novel idea, everyone should mind their business and not act like they have authority over strangers when they don’t. There wouldn’t be altercations at all if someone didn’t start them.

 

[Hraefn]

Freedom of speech. Why shouldn't he tell someone who is self centered enough to deprive the handicapped of their right to access that they should move? Where do you see any indication of MM showing mercy? He comes up from behind the man and violently slams him to the concrete, which was a cowardly move. I don't see where there was a chance of compassion there. It was self defense. D was lucky to survive the encounter with that crazy violent man.

Freedom of speech is part of the bill of rights; it applies between the government and a private citizen stating that the government can’t curtail speech without strong justification. The bill of rights does not apply to conduct between private citizens. And even if it did, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech. The first section of the SYG statute is a great example...

 

[2Hope4]

Here is a novel idea, everyone should mind their business and not act like they have authority over strangers when they don’t. There wouldn’t be altercations at all if someone didn’t start them.

Wait... what? Mind our own business? Then why are we on a site that puts us into other's business? That doesn't make sense to me.

How many crimes are committed and need a witness to events that lead up to the crime, during the crime or after the crime? So people should just mind their business, no witnesses in court, no witnesses for police statements. No. We need to alert, notice our surroundings, and what is going on.

And as someone that DOES have a handicap permit, it is very frustrating when you need access to easy entry into a business, and someone without a permit has parked in the limited spaces available. And guess what? The law is on our side, because it is illegal to park in a handicap place without a permit. That doesn't mean for a minute, or 30 minutes. No parking at all unless you have a permit. Easy.

I don't think someone parking in an illegal manner warrants getting shot. But that's not actually why he was shot either. It was part of the events that lead up to the shooting, that had his vehicle not been parked there, there would not have been a reason for any of the following events to have happened.

But you cannot go around physically assaulting people. It's also illegal and could result in you being shot as you don't know the results of that assault.

 

[Hraefn]

Wait... what? Mind our own business? Then why are we on a site that puts us into other's business? That doesn't make sense to me.

How many crimes are committed and need a witness to events that lead up to the crime, during the crime or after the crime? So people should just mind their business, no witnesses in court, no witnesses for police statements. No. We need to alert, notice our surroundings, and what is going on.

And as someone that DOES have a handicap permit, it is very frustrating when you need access to easy entry into a business, and someone without a permit has parked in the limited spaces available. And guess what? The law is on our side, because it is illegal to park in a handicap place without a permit. That doesn't mean for a minute, or 30 minutes. No parking at all unless you have a permit. Easy.

I don't think someone parking in an illegal manner warrants getting shot. But that's not actually why he was shot either. It was part of the events that lead up to the shooting, that had his vehicle not been parked there, there would not have been a reason for any of the following events to have happened.

But you cannot go around physically assaulting people. It's also illegal and could result in you being shot as you don't know the results of that assault.

I was parallel responding to their post it’s not how I feel in every situation. If you choose to scream at someone and confront them aggressively rather than contact the actual authorities, then there may be consequences. If you don’t want to face the consequences then don’t start the altercation.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Freedom of speech is part of the bill of rights; it applies between the government and a private citizen stating that the government can’t curtail speech without strong justification. The bill of rights does not apply to conduct between private citizens. And even if it did, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech. The first section of the SYG statute is a great example...

Then why are you claiming that when D spoke to the woman, that gave M the right to violently slam him into the ground without a word?

 

[Hraefn]

Then why are you claiming that when D spoke to the woman, that gave M the right to violently slam him into the ground without a word?

Because D escalated it from non-deadly force to deadly force. I have made my opinion very clear in earlier posts. I’m applying the law to the facts.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I was parallel responding to their post it’s not how I feel in every situation. If you choose to scream at someone and confront them aggressively rather than contact the actual authorities, then there may be consequences. If you don’t want to face the consequences then don’t start the altercation.

As far as the video shows, D wasn't screaming and being aggressive. So that leaves the woman in the car as the one screaming in anger at being told she was WRONG to park there. Something she wasn't willing to hear and that she believes gave M the RIGHT to viciously slam the poor older man to the ground.

 

[Trident]

Here is a novel idea, everyone should mind their business and not act like they have authority over strangers when they don’t. There wouldn’t be altercations at all if someone didn’t start them.

Another novel idea is not to break the law and physically assault people.

 

[Trident]

Because D escalated it from non-deadly force to deadly force. I have made my opinion very clear in earlier posts. I’m applying the law to the facts.

So did the sheriff.