FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[SeesSeas]

He can't have a taste for harassment or threatening because HE QUALIFIED FOR CCW . If he had threatened or harassed anyone, that permit would have been yanked. You have to be squeaky clean to get a CCW permit. You have to remain squeaky clean to keep it.

Not always; lots of inept government:
Adam Putnam’s office stopped reviewing concealed weapons background checks for a year because it couldn’t log in
Jun 8, 2018
Adam Putnam’s office stopped reviewing concealed weapons background checks for a year because it couldn’t log in
A state investigation found that the lapse covered a period that included the biggest spike in permit applications in Florida history.
For more than a year, the state of Florida failed to review national background checks on tens of thousands of applications for concealed weapons permits, potentially allowing drug addicts or people with a mental illness to carry firearms in public.
[...]

 

[glamourkitty1922]

If you read the article, it was back a couple of years and it only covered noncriminal checks in other states. By the way, drug addicts and the mentally ill can petition the courts to have their rights restored. So the opposite is also true, people who had their rights restored in other states could have been denied a CCW. However, that is a moot point since this is about a Floridian who people are claiming had a taste of harrassment and threats IN FLORIDA. Everything about him in Florida, all criminal data, all federal data has been verified, and if his CCW is older than 2016, he also had his noncriminal other state background check done. No, he has a pristine background.

 

[SeesSeas]

Everything about him in Florida, all criminal data, all federal data has been verified, and if his CCW is older than 2016, he also had his noncriminal other state background check done. No, he has a pristine background.

^^How do you know this? ^^
Link please.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

^^How do you know this? ^^
Link please.

The link is in the post I was replying to. The state had a period of time where one of the employees couldn't access the noncriminal other state background website. That is the site that checks for adjudications for mental illness and drug addiction in the rest of the US. Since there are thousands of CC permits requested every month in Florida, it only affected the people that background investigator was assigned. Very few people are adjudicated mentally ill or drug addicted. Courts are loath to strip rights from Americans without just cause.
It doesn't affect D because the accusations are claimed to be from Florida.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

^^How do you know this? ^^
Link please.

Now this site claims that the background checks were for other state criminal. There were 291 CCW permits revoked after the state rerun the background checks.
Florida revoked 291 concealed weapons permits after an employee stopped reviewing background checks - CNN
The other site says it's noncriminal background checks. Whichever one is the truth, it doesn't affect this case.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I think I misunderstood your request. You want to know how I know that there was a background check? All criminal data has been verified? It's federal law. Here is a site that might help you understand the process.
Concealed Carry Weapon Permit Background Checks

 

[SeesSeas]

Everything about him in Florida, all criminal data, all federal data has been verified, and if his CCW is older than 2016, he also had his noncriminal other state background check done. No, he has a pristine background.

I think I misunderstood your request. You want to know how I know that there was a background check? All criminal data has been verified? It's federal law. Here is a site that might help you understand the process.
Concealed Carry Weapon Permit Background Checks

Yes, I think you did misunderstand my question.
I like facts; not presumptions.
I understand the process of CCW background checks, and have understood the process for more than a decade.
My question was specifically about your comments regarding Michael Drejka:
You stated "Everything about him in Florida, all criminal data, all federal data has been verified, and if his CCW is older than 2016, he also had his noncriminal other state background check done. No, he has a pristine background."
^^How do you know this about Michael Drejka? Specifically Drejka. Not the process that is in place and we know that process should be adhered to. I realize that should be happening. But how do you know that the entire background check process on Drejka had been adhered to?
I simply provided an example of the process going awry.

 

[justchrissy47]

A spokeswoman for the Florida state attorney in Clearwater told CNN Monday that the office had not yet gotten the case from the sheriff's department but would investigate the shooting once the case is received.

Florida man could avoid charges after fatal shooting because of "stand your ground" law. - CNN

I certainly hope the DA interprets the law correctly and charges are laid.

*going back to sit on my hands in Canada*

 

[Audrey Horne]

Is there some sort of protocol, prior to a confrontation, to determine who is older and who is weaker and then go from there? I'm in my 40's, but definitely weaker than my friend Janice, who is in her late 50's. Is there like, a curve, so all that's taken into account?

Also, was it just a visual assessment used to determine who was more weak in this particular case, or do you have information regarding the strength and conditioning levels of these men, or how exactly did you determine who was weaker? Does the assessment take into account variables such as adrenaline, history, amount of REM sleep the night before? Or is an assumption based on age? I want to make sure I've got all the facts so i know who I'm allowed to be afraid of and whatnot.

GREAT QUESTIONS!! I'd also like to read the answers.

 

[Audrey Horne]

My best martial arts move is a side kick.

From at least five feet away?

 

[Wagtales10]

I can see it in the video. Just look at it. He can't have a taste for harassment or threatening because HE QUALIFIED FOR CCW . If he had threatened or harassed anyone, that permit would have been yanked. You have to be squeaky clean to get a CCW permit. You have to remain squeaky clean to keep it. People don't have the right to physically assault anyone even if they are telling them some unpleasant truths about themselves. By that yardstick, if a woman upsets a man, he has every right to beat her up and she can't defend herself. It doesn't work that way.

You are assuming every single time Drejka harassed anyone or threatened anyone that the police were called and reports filed. Thats ludicrous. I cannot believe you think this murder was justified in any sense. I'd be more able to understand if Markeis was ontop of Drejka but he was almost 10 feet away and Drejka ever so casually pulled his gun out aimed and shot AS MARKEIS WAS WALKING AWAY

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Yes, I think you did misunderstand my question.
I like facts; not presumptions.
I understand the process of CCW background checks, and have understood the process for more than a decade.
My question was specifically about your comments regarding Michael Drejka:
You stated "Everything about him in Florida, all criminal data, all federal data has been verified, and if his CCW is older than 2016, he also had his noncriminal other state background check done. No, he has a pristine background."
^^How do you know this about Michael Drejka? Specifically Drejka. Not the process that is in place and we know that process should be adhered to. I realize that should be happening. But how do you know that the entire background check process on Drejka had been adhered to?
I simply provided an example of the process going awry.

Well, the FBI does do shoddy law enforcement at times, but they are good at doing background checks. Please supply a link that shows that D DIDN'T go through the background check. Just because there was a breech in the past, a breech that was closed and all affected background checks redone, doesn't mean every background check in the USA is faulty. If you believe that, you need to show a link. I like facts, not presumptions. Which part are you claiming is faulty? Where is a link showing 2018 CCW permits are faulty?

 

[glamourkitty1922]

You are assuming every single time Drejka harassed anyone or threatened anyone that the police were called and reports filed. Thats ludicrous. I cannot believe you think this murder was justified in any sense. I'd be more able to understand if Markeis was ontop of Drejka but he was almost 10 feet away and Drejka ever so casually pulled his gun out aimed and shot AS MARKEIS WAS WALKING AWAY

That wasn't what I see on the video. I see a man facing another man, looming over him, and he doesn't back away until after he is shot.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

GREAT QUESTIONS!! I'd also like to read the answers.

Here is a good way to handle it. Don't violently put your hands on people who are not touching you, and you don't have to worry about age, handicap, or health. Don't you think that is the best way to handle it?

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I say again, real life is just not that black and white.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

After watching the video again, I'm am more inclined to believe that MM was shot in the chest on the left rather than the abdomen per family.

You seem him clutch his chest not his abdomen in the video.

 

[flourish]

Well, the FBI does do shoddy law enforcement at times, but they are good at doing background checks. Please supply a link that shows that D DIDN'T go through the background check. Just because there was a breech in the past, a breech that was closed and all affected background checks redone, doesn't mean every background check in the USA is faulty. If you believe that, you need to show a link. I like facts, not presumptions. Which part are you claiming is faulty? Where is a link showing 2018 CCW permits are faulty?

Well, but you're the one insisting he's got a "pristine" background, based on the assumption that his background checks and whatnot were all done correctly and thoroughly. Someone else shouldn't have to find a link showing a negative in order to disprove your assertion--you should be able to back up your assertion or perhaps not assert things you can't actually back up.

And a lot of people had "pristine" backgrounds on paper right up until the time they didn't... Charles Manson's record started out pristine... Until it wasn't...

Being "clean" on paper doesn't mean a person can't be an belligerent jerk. It's not a lifelong endorsement of character.

 

[Wagtales10]

Honestly, which direction is his hips and feet pointing? Is he walking away or towards the lunatic with a gun.

Hint: Not at Drejka

 

[bluesneakers]

Honestly, which direction is his hips and feet pointing? Is he walking away or towards the lunatic with a gun.

Hint: Not at Drejka

Away. The coward with the gun isn't afraid - he's angry and wants to have the last word. It's like he's living out a fantasy.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

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Honestly, which direction is his hips and feet pointing? Is he walking away or towards the lunatic with a gun.

Hint: Not at Drejka

Look at the frames right before that one. He takes a step or two toward MD his hands are at his waist. MD pulls the gun and MM starts to retreat.