FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #2

[CSIDreamer]

Am I missing something? Did it ever state when he was last in Indiana? My thoughts are he could have been in CA for some time and not changed his plates?

TIA

Thanks CSI, I read above, we cross posted!

He lives uncomfortably close to me. I know he was in court roughly a month ago. He was also picked up at 5 a.m. in California which is 8 a.m. in Indiana. 6 hours at that time of the morning is not enough time to copycat this.

I'd just like to emphasize I don't know him. *shudder*

 

[x_files]

IMO that is totally congruent with his childs homopobia.

Racism, anti semtisim, homophobia, are taught

Makes total sense in my opinion that his kid was a raging homophobic. He was raised in hate ridden environment

I think the world is focusing on the "FBI radar" thing is being way over blown. Some workers said he said some bad stuff. We have all said some stuff in a work environ that others could view as "bad".

It was dismissed cause it , apparently, did not register as a valid threat. The Boston Bombers was a fail , in terms of inteligence. Our enemy Russia, warned us about them. They kicked them out of their country.

Different stuff.


I think the 911 calls with ISIS like stuff was a derail, because his family would be ashamed that he even went into a gay bar. That he even knew where a popular gay bar in another city was.

Most people rant or complain at work it's true but the FBI said he made threats of being affiliated with terrorist groups. Not many people make those kind of remarks at work. Most people would have been fired and investigated thoroughly by the FBI over the comments alone. Watch the video.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ooter-Omar-Mateen-investigated-TWICE-FBI.html

 

[stmarysmead]

What do we all want? We want ourselves and the people we love to be able to fly on planes, go to nightclubs, go to Christmas parties at work, drop someone at the airport, ride a train...and not be in fear of their lives. Life is hard enough with accidents, illness, sudden natural death...it's wrenching enough to lose someone to those life events. Can't we agree on that?

But when your loved one dies because he's just on vacation in a French cafe, or with friends in a nightclub, or at work...and some stranger kills him to promote his religious beliefs, hunts him down because his Faith says he needs to be wiped off the earth...or kills him to avenge political decisions he was powerless to prevent...there is a hellish cruelty that must accompany that grief. This is indiscriminate hate. Devout Muslims died heinous deaths in the World Trade Center attacks..trapped, burned alive, or throwing themselves out of skyscrapers. These radical Islamists did not give them a free pass.

We can no longer ignore any entity that invites "Hate Imams" in to educate their flock. We can no longer shrug off the proponents of bringing Sharia law here. We just can't. Maybe we should stop aid to the ten Islamic countries with death penalties for Gays.

RAdical Islam is at war with us. We can deny it, try to say...oh, it's guns, oh, Christians hate too. But there's too many attacks now,..and always the same ideology behind it. All of us need to be prepared to be uncomfortable. Be prepared to call out our own. Be prepared to scream at whatever politicans we support. THIS HAS TO BE FACED!

They are at war with us whether we are too sophisticated to admit it or not. We can think we are being compassionate and inclusive but the poor hunted souls in that NightClub this weekend would scream at you...that there's no compassion in closing your mind and heart to what is behind this madness.

We had better pull together soon. This us just beginning. Take a good hard look at the people you love. They are really, truly at risk.

 

[kbpirate]

Funny you mention that, I read an article recently where they stated that some of those words in the Quran may have been inaccurately translated and that it was actually raisins....clear raisins, like they were better and had some significance at the time..not virgins..LOL I sure hope this new translation is correct maybe it would stop some of this nonsense if they thought they were going to get raisins LOL!

Well their are some very disappointed terrorists if it meant raisins...

 

[CARIIS]

Wait... so in some cases it is, "well ISIS hasn't claimed responsibility yet so it can't be them." In this case it is, "ISIS can't believed because they will claim responsibility for anything that hurts Americans." Say what?

Hi Pop!

They have not claimed responsiblity for Egypt AIr??

Per CNN now - I am just gonna use an example

While in the bar , when on the phone with 911, (dont care about football making this up to make it easier for the new information!)

on one call he stated he loved the Giants. On the next call he professed a love for the Patriots.

He claimed alligence to two different terrorist groups that hate each other passionaltly.

Does he really have a clue what he is doing on the terrorism angle in a gay bar??

CNN now

 

[Tssiemer]

Funny you mention that, I read an article recently where they stated that some of those words in the Quran may have been inaccurately translated and that it was actually raisins....clear raisins, like they were better and had some significance at the time..not virgins..LOL I sure hope this new translation is correct maybe it would stop some of this nonsense if they thought they were going to get raisins LOL!

I just spit out my drink.


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[CARIIS]

CNN now he bought the guns a week apart


he never tried to get body armour from this gun shop owner

 

[Sonya610]

I think the 911 calls with ISIS like stuff was a derail, because his family would be ashamed that he even went into a gay bar. That he even knew where a popular gay bar in another city was.

So if he told the 911 operator it was because of ISIS then his family wouldn't figure out he entered and shot up a gay bar? Even though it is the largest mass shooting in US history?

 

[WVWoman]

Well, we already have a terror watch list. They can't fly on an airplane. If you can't fly on airplane, then you shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm. That's just my personal belief. I don't call that gungrabbing nor profiling.

Ok I usually just read and move on...this is crazy gun banning and all...its against the law to murder someone right ...so what makes you think these people are going to follow a law that says they can't own a gun...they really don't care about breaking the law...they kill people !

 

[Rhino-Esq]

I apolgize for bringing this up. However, it is bewildering that so many fatalites have yet to be claimed.

I fear that a lot of these familes have rejected and thrown out their gay sons when they came out, and have nothing to do with them .

This is very very common in hispanic family systems. It was Latin night.

Latino men reported the highest number of negative family reactions to their sexual orientation in adolescence.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/1/346

Where did you read this? There are only 2 people left to be named. http://www.cityoforlando.net/blog/victims/

 

[CSIDreamer]

I missed the part about him getting to the bar at 9:30 and can't find the link now. Does anyone have it?

 

[katydid23]

I missed the part about him getting to the bar at 9:30 and can't find the link now. Does anyone have it?

I think that might be disinformation. As far as I can tell, there is only one witness saying that. Maybe I am incorrect, but I think it is still a bit nebulous info...?

 

[CARIIS]

How did we get so derailed on religion?? The, IMO, ISIS like stuff fits, but Christain and bible quotes , respectfully, dont belong here.

Lets get back on track -- this is only my opinion, and I have never posted a post like this before- never . I suppose I should remain aware that I am somewhat raw today.

but we are doing bibles (I am jewish) it has no purpose here .

Lord, I am trying to get caught up - and scrolling by tons of bible stuff , I want to know about the shooter, the victims, etc etc, not a bible study

and I say that respectfully - to each his own.

But this is way off course. I always thank anyone here who give info, their opinion, and brings up things I have not thought about

As a Jewish person, the discussion of the bible is bothersome

Lets get back on track -- and that track is , IMO, basically a choice of two tracks. Were his motives terrorist related or homophobia - that is the core, at this point of the thread , I think

only mo

 

[human]

I get the point you are trying to make. So we just allow ourselves to be taken out where we live? I think even RFK would have to have a more realistic answer than that if he had not died 48 years ago, in another era.

We have Constitutional rights. The Fourth Ammendment. We cannot be targeted by the govt. The rights apply to all citizens . The govt cannot pick and choose who gets to have rights.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment

 

[tehcloser]

Hi Pop!

They have not claimed responsiblity for Egypt AIr??

Per CNN now - I am just gonna use an example

While in the bar , when on the phone with 911, (dont care about football making this up to make it easier for the new information!)

on one call he stated he loved the Giants. On the next call he professed a love for the Patriots.

He claimed alligence to two different terrorist groups that hate each other passionaltly.

Does he really have a clue what he is doing on the terrorism angle in a gay bar??

CNN now

Ok so wait. He claimed allegiance to two terrorist groups? Not just Isis?

 

[popsicle]

Wasn't he afraid bullets would come through that door?

I don't know that he had time to think about it. 20 ppl trapped in an alley with only a small opening cut in the fence. Him and another person were trying to buy time so the others could escape while the sound of the bullets had been getting closer the whole time.

 

[Sonya610]

I apolgize for bringing this up. However, it is bewildering that so many fatalites have yet to be claimed.

I fear that a lot of these familes have rejected and thrown out their gay sons when they came out, and have nothing to do with them .

More likely the families don't live in the area and did not know their kid was going to be at that club. At that point they wait and try to contact them, and only later assume they could be a victim.

If the deceased didn't have ID, or even if they did and the authorities can't quickly locate family then it could take a while.

No need to assume the families are all evil homophobics.

 

[dotr]

This was a homophobic act, committed by a nasty, violent and mentally ill religious extremist , latent homosexual .
Strictly speculation, imo.

 

[human]

How did we get so derailed on religion?? The, IMO, ISIS like stuff fits, but Christain and bible quotes , respectfully, dont belong here.

Lets get back on track -- this is only my opinion, and I have never posted a post like this before- never

but we are doing bibles (I am jewish) has no purpose here

only mo

I think because people want to show that the Mulsims are no different than other religions. Muslims have suffered attacks . Children in school have been attacked just for being Muslim. An event like these murders will bring out more hate and in a desperate attempt to bring some balance to all of this hate ( think the Sikh temple that was attacked where the shooter thought they were Muslim) I know I wish people would see that this hate will have horrible consequences for more innocent Muslims

 

[CARIIS]

Give me a break. Tapper is asking how he got into the bar ugh CNN