FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Spice]

I haven't heard anyone come up with a reasonable explanation for this:

If Dale is SO innocent why did he feel the need to use a fake FB tied back to his email address (Buck Fuddy) to call Michelle an escort and tell her stepmom GP that she should go ask all of Michelle's "clients" where Michelle is. No innocent person would do that kind of sick and twisting taunting IMO...

Omg! He did that? I never heard that. In any event, that is sick and twisted if true and it speaks volumes of his disdain for Michelle. It is also REALLY sociopathic behavior. How utterly disgusting, evil, and gross.

Unfortunately, some may choose to believe that about Michelle just because she was an attractive female bartender. I have already read a comment on this thread referring to female bartenders as "slutty", which is an offensive and disrespectful generalization of women at best.

I bartended for years while in school and I was neither "slutty" or somehow in danger because I was serving customers liquor. After all, most women are murdered by their spouses and not strangers. A statistically true and sad statement on our society and part of the overall attitude that makes it almost "acceptable" for abusive men to beat, verbally abuse, control, and ultimately murder the women in their lives.

Women should not be constantly objectified like this, its part of the problem. Michelle was a single mother, who had to take DALE to court and garnish his pay to force him to be responsible. She was a hard working mom, doing it all herself, as many do, and it infuriates me to hear accusations of possible "sluttiness" and escorting thrown in her direction. She was a mother working to support her children ...and she should be given the respect that she deserves.

 

[Jazzmaster]

In true fashion...PROVING his stupidity the Buck Fuddy account he used publicly listed his aol email address. Like my mama always used to say "he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer"....That is why he will get caught and pay for his crimes. JMO It may take some time but this is a marathon not a sprint!

 

[Cblewife]

The answer here is very simple and IMO obvious.. this man has proven time and time again to have severe issues with impulse control.. SEVERE!

AGREED!! That's why I don't believe it would necessarily take an altercation to set him off. He possibly could have been brewing about the PC fiasco before she got there. If she went inside with the twins (I would have - our car seats went with the children) it could have taken nothing more than a smart alecky remark about the show, him or ANYTHING from Michelle as she was leaving and he could have snapped. When I say snapped, I don't mean a shouting match, throwing furniture or even a physical fight with obvious defensive wounds. I mean snapped as in a sudden, uncontrollable urge to strangle or break someones neck.

 

[Spice]

In true fashion...PROVING his stupidity the Buck Fuddy account he used publicly listed his aol email address. Like my mama always used to say "he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer"....That is why he will get caught and pay for his crimes. JMO It may take some time but this is a marathon not a sprint!

It also shows the reach and depth of his abuse of Michelle....as he continues to malign her even while she is missing. It reminds me so much of the sociopath that cannot stay away from the scene of his crime and tries to "help" the police by watching and making contact from afar. He is so transparent. And I agree, he is not very bright and that is what will get him caught.

Tick Tock.

 

[missingm]

I think you are missing the MUCH larger elephant in the room...Dale was the last known person to see Michelle when she arrived at 3:18 p.m. on Nov. 17. It has been reported that after her arrival, Dale immediately took the children to his parents' home... arriving at Rose Blvd by 4:30 p.m....according to Dale's own attorney.

I have driven from Carter Glen to Rose and back at least a dozen times...sometimes during the exact time of day Michelle went missing and it has never taken me more than 30 minutes to complete the trip. It normally takes about 20 minutes but let's stipulate it took him 30 minutes....he still should have arrived at Rose by 4:00pm not 4:30pm. Dale actually had time to go to his parents, drive back to his condo, and then go back to Rose again! What did Dale do with this extra 30+ minutes? No one has been able to explain why it took Dale over an hour to get to his parents. So IMO there are 30 unaccounted minutes to hide evidence.

His lawyer told reporters it wasn't "physically possible" for Smith to kill Michelle, dispose of her body, dump her car and drive their children to his parents house in 72 minutes. I disagree with MN! Yet another MAJOR issue is there in no report of Dale remaining at his parents' house after arriving. So IMO Dale is unaccounted for from 4:30 until at least 8:00 given him 3.5 hours to hide evidence.

Just an attempt at being more specific on the window:
3:18 pm - MP seen on video in car in front of Dale's condo.
3:22 pm - MP parks, gets kids out of car, and enters Dales condo.
(something happens)
3:55 pm - Dale begins to pack up kids to go to parents house.
4:00 pm - Dale leaves towards parents house as he would need 30 minutes to get there
4:30 pm - Dale arrives at parents house as per witness.


As for the "something happens", if Dale did something, then everything would be likely to have occurred in this 33 minutes. If you were to believe Dale somewhat then Dale would have a relatively unexplained time between 3:32 pm and 3:55 pm, about 23 minutes.

The only way that Dale could have committed the crime, IMO, is that someone else was involved from the beginning at Dale's condo and that specific person is his mother, father, or both. I don't see Dale as the type of person to have such loyal friends that would cover up a dead body for him.

The extra person would allow him a much larger window obviously, and it could have been his mother driving Dale's car to her house with the kids.

I don't see him committing the crime, cleaning up, moving the H3 into the garage, etc. in less than 33 minutes. Not completely impossible, but difficult to see. And then you would have the situation with leaving incriminating evidence at his condo for at least an hour.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Just an attempt at being more specific on the window:
3:18 pm - MP seen on video in car in front of Dale's condo.
3:22 pm - MP parks, gets kids out of car, and enters Dales condo.
(something happens)
3:55 pm - Dale begins to pack up kids to go to parents house.
4:00 pm - Dale leaves towards parents house as he would need 30 minutes to get there
4:30 pm - Dale arrives at parents house as per witness.


As for the "something happens", if Dale did something, then everything would be likely to have occurred in this 33 minutes. If you were to believe Dale somewhat then Dale would have a relatively unexplained time between 3:32 pm and 3:55 pm, about 23 minutes.

The only way that Dale could have committed the crime, IMO, is that someone else was involved from the beginning at Dale's condo and that specific person is his mother, father, or both. I don't see Dale as the type of person to have such loyal friends that would cover up a dead body for him.

The extra person would allow him a much larger window obviously, and it could have been his mother driving Dale's car to her house with the kids.

I don't see him committing the crime, cleaning up, moving the H3 into the garage, etc. in less than 33 minutes. Not completely impossible, but difficult to see. And then you would have the situation with leaving incriminating evidence at his condo for at least an hour.

But assuming he sent the Waterford text, he may have thought he had plenty of time, even more than an hour. Who would have guessed LE would start looking for her so soon? They usually don't, unless there's some reason for them to suspect something was very wrong. According to the FDLE flyer, Michelle had heart/blood pressure problems. That could be a reason they started looking so soon. And perhaps Dale wasn't aware of these problems or forgot so assumed he'd have more time, especially if he sent the Waterford text. JMO MOO

http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/person/viewMissingPerson-116995061.a

If that link doesn't work, input her name here: http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/person/displayMissingPersonsSearch.a

 

[Sparky]

I wonder if her hair treatment that day plus spray on tanning and an urban environment could have thrown off a dog.

She didn't have a hair treatment that day. She decided to do it herself. Sorry I don't have a link, but it's somewhere in all these threads.

 

[telemag]

But assuming he sent the Waterford text, he may have thought he had plenty of time, even more than an hour. Who would have guessed LE would start looking for her so soon? They usually don't, unless there's some reason for them to suspect something was very wrong. According to the FDLE flyer, Michelle had heart/blood pressure problems. That could be a reason they started looking so soon. And perhaps Dale wasn't aware of these problems or forgot so assumed he'd have more time, especially if he sent the Waterford text. JMO MOO

http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/person/viewMissingPerson-116995061.a

If that link doesn't work, input her name here: http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/person/displayMissingPersonsSearch.a

WOW, this is something that I don't think I have ever seen before. What I don't understand is the way this is worded. Does this mean that Michelle had all the the listed heart problems which includes heart attack?

"Scars, Marks, Tattoos:HEART OR CIRCULATORY DISEASES INCLUDING: HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HEART FAILURE, HEART ATTACK, HARDENING OF THE ARTERIES, AND CIRCULATION PROBLEMS; TATTOO, ABDOMEN"

 

[What'sThatClue]

WOW, this is something that I don't think I have ever seen before. What I don't understand is the way this is worded. Does this mean that Michelle had all the the listed heart problems which includes heart attack?

"Scars, Marks, Tattoos:HEART OR CIRCULATORY DISEASES INCLUDING: HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HEART FAILURE, HEART ATTACK, HARDENING OF THE ARTERIES, AND CIRCULATION PROBLEMS; TATTOO, ABDOMEN"

I have no idea. The flyer has been online since Michelle went missing and I'm surprised no one's commented on it unless comments are near the beginning threads.

JMO

 

[telemag]

I have no idea. The flyer has been online since Michelle went missing and I'm surprised no one's commented on it unless comments are near the beginning threads.

JMO

Thanks, well the word INCLUDING to me means that she had all the above as far as what was listed.

 

[Skully]

WOW, this is something that I don't think I have ever seen before. What I don't understand is the way this is worded. Does this mean that Michelle had all the the listed heart problems which includes heart attack?

"Scars, Marks, Tattoos:HEART OR CIRCULATORY DISEASES INCLUDING: HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HEART FAILURE, HEART ATTACK, HARDENING OF THE ARTERIES, AND CIRCULATION PROBLEMS; TATTOO, ABDOMEN"

I never saw that link or information before. How do you get that kind of disease of the artieries so young? I know you can be born with a bad heart, like enlarged or a hole in the valve but hardening of the artieries? Smoking for years causes that, but she doesn't smoke. It had to be hard to carry children and you would have to be watched carefully. Even minor surgery is a problem.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Down here, LE will start a search immediately if a person who is reported missing has a physical problem or is elderly or is a child. JMO, the perp may not have thought of that and figured he bought himself more time with the Waterford text. JMO MOO

 

[Sparky]

Exactly it is "thought by many" not proof. So I am all for proof that Michelle dd not send the text if you or anyone else has any. My "opinion" is that POSSIBLEY Michelle did not want to pick her brother up so she sent him a quick text saying "Waterford". Also, from what I understand the other two people he texted didn't bother to respond.

Here's a couple of things I would like to know that may point to why Michelle didn't feel like picking up her brother.

1. Was he in the habit of asking for rides?
2. Did he not own a car and why?
3. Was he not able to drive possibly due to some disability?

Sounds like Michelle was on a very tight schedule that day and most likely would not have had time to do anything else.

The answers to your questions are out there on the net. While I can not link the web page they are there.

1. Sometimes
2. He owns a car
3. He can drive

jmo

 

[telemag]

I never saw that link or information before. How do you get that kind of disease of the artieries so young? I know you can be born with a bad heart, like enlarged or a hole in the valve but hardening of the artieries? Smoking for years causes that, but she doesn't smoke. It had to be hard to carry children and you would have to be watched carefully. Even minor surgery is a problem.

Lots of young people have blocked arteries due too many factors. It could be genetic, diet, drugs, smoking. I have had 3 friends in their 40's that have had heart attacks. Once you have a heart attack if a certain percentage of you heart dies off you can go into heart failure due to your heart ejection fraction being too low which can cause circulatory problems and things just snowball from there over time.

 

[telemag]

The answers to your questions are out there on the net. While I can not link the web page they are there.

1. Sometimes
2. He owns a car
3. He can drive

jmo

Thanks Sparky, I did find something that I am not 100% sure of but if correct would not allow him to drive for a certain amount of time. If true then yes he would have needed to get rides if he ever wanted to go anywhere which would go towards my theory that Michelle didn't have time that day to give her brother a ride and kind of brushed him off with a short text.

 

[Sparky]

Thanks Sparky, I did find something that I am not 100% sure of but if correct would not allow him to drive for a certain amount of time. If true then yes he would have needed to get rides if he ever wanted to go anywhere which would go towards my theory that Michelle didn't have time that day to give her brother a ride and kind of brushed him off with a short text.

YW This is correct

 

[What'sThatClue]

I never saw that link or information before. How do you get that kind of disease of the artieries so young? I know you can be born with a bad heart, like enlarged or a hole in the valve but hardening of the artieries? Smoking for years causes that, but she doesn't smoke. It had to be hard to carry children and you would have to be watched carefully. Even minor surgery is a problem.

Like I said, the flyer has been online since she went missing. That link has been referred to on Twitter many times (tho not MSM twitter, just by posters) and IIRC it's been discussed here somewhere in the early threads, as was her tattoo. Me, I'm betting whoever the perp was, he sure didn't figure on LE jumping on it right away because he either didn't know or forgot that LE jumps on missing person cases where there is any type of physical problem.

All JMO MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Down here, LE will start a search immediately if a person who is reported missing has a physical problem or is elderly or is a child. JMO, the perp may not have thought of that and figured he bought himself more time with the Waterford text. JMO MOO

Great points...again for me I look at it this way: had Dale or an accomplice not texted "waterford" at 4:26 how MUCH sooner would her family have filed a police report and found that Dale wasn't where he was supposed to be...at his parent's house? This is a critical time when Dale was most likely hiding evidence and he had a MAJOR need to buy time and simmer down the panic that must have been ripping through her family. IMO It was so unlike her not to answer her son's calls/texts and whatever else was coming in. The alarm bells probably started ringing quite early into her disappearance.

He probably could see at that time how many missed calls, unanswered texts were coming in, and he needed an easy way to buy time and IMO not let anyone know it wasn't Michelle that sent the text. As I posted earlier...he may even have been trying to get his story together. He might have seen shopping bags in the Hummer and by texting "waterford" he had MORE time to complete the tasks needed to avoid being caught in the act so to speak...With only a one word text it was also difficult for anyone to question that this wasn't Michelle texting until much later when her family looked back after the fact and said wait a minute this is not a typical Michelle kind of text...JMO

 

[vibert]

What was the name of the business?

I didn't write it down. It was a thread or two back where the poster stated it was a public record of an application for a business license.

 

[Sparky]

I don't remember the name of the business, but it was a Errand Service. She also went to school for her Real Estate Lic., but never passed the test IIRC.