FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #13

[smart blonde]

I don't think mom has a personal hand in what happend. If you read back in the threads you will see what we have said. Sorry my hands hurt and typing the same thing over and over... I can't do it anymore.

Clayton William Graham RSo Abscounded at time of Somers disappearance. He was listed n the police report - later to be told it was a "mistake" sure as *HIT a LOT of mistakes being claimed on this case, JUST SAYING

CLAYTON WILLIAM GRAHAM.

I suspect him in ALL of the following cases:

* Shannon Nicole Paulk

* Teresa Melissa Dean

* Heaven LaShae Ross

* Kristina Renae Bishop

* Somer Renee Thompson - possible?

I am sure there are more.

(I have to work pretty much round the clock on weekends, but on Monday, I should have more time to post my 'theory' than I do now. Hopefully by then they will have arrested Somer's killer, though).

 

[spamelope]

Hi everyone

one thing that has been bothering me.......has it been confirmed that somer was sexually assaulted???

everyone is assuming that she was abducted or is a victim of a child sex offender or maybe been sexually assaulted by someone she knows.....

do you think that this is the way the police are thinking or has it been confirmed that she was murdered\

maybe it was some form of accident and someone has panicked hence ending up in a dumpster......so many times these really are tragic accidents......

like maybe being hit by a car and driver panicked or mum or sister of kid she had a fight with confronted her on the way home and somer hit her head on ground or something and they have panicked.....

or she home and had some form of accident and the sean guy panicked.....or big brother met up with her and they had a fight and she hit her head etc etc etc......

I think their choice of wording sums it up. They have stated that there is a "child killer" out there, so I do believe they are certain she was murdered. The sheriff called it a "heinous crime", what I haven't heard was the term "Child Molester". We all assumed that from right off the bat. But pretty much the only ones cleared by LE immediately after were all the RSOs in the area. To me, that speaks volumes.

 

[panthera]

Thanks, now I can rule out fireplaces, grills, fields etc.

Seems LE said it was from the burnt out house - now I'm wondering if the soot was found on her body or in her lungs or both. My gosh, this poor child!

Her dad did say "possibly" in his statement, but I think it's the most likely source in this case unless the tanks had some soot on them. After all, she was seen at both places that afternoon. MOO

 

[tarabull]

http://www.claysheriff.com/08_02_00Mostwanted.asp

J. Garcia is listed under Clay County's Most Wanted...

Juan Garcia
Wanted on warrant for FTA Lewd & Lascivious Molestaion of a Child

(sorry if it's already been posted, i'm still catching up)

http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/person/viewWantedPerson-111411025.a


Juan Antonio Garcia
DOB: 08/19/1982

 

[panthera]

I think their choice of wording sums it up. They have stated that there is a "child killer" out there, so I do believe they are certain she was murdered. The sheriff called it a "heinous crime", what I haven't heard was the term "Child Molester". We all assumed that from right off the bat. But pretty much the only ones cleared by LE immediately after were all the RSOs in the area. To me, that speaks volumes.

I remember when she was found, some articles said she was identified by the birthmark and the clothing she had on. We haven't heard if she was fully clothed or partially clothed so it's only guessing as to whether there was a sexual assault or not. MOO

 

[revampz]

What the sheriff said sounds to me like it definitely wasn't an accident, and definitely wasn't a family member. I don't know of LE saying things like this when they suspect an accident as a possibility, or suspect a family member. I am thinking that Somer was likely sexually assaulted.

"Sheriff Rick Beseler wants people in Clay County to know there is reason to be “vigilant and careful” until the person responsible for the murder of 7-year-old Somer Thompson is found.

“There’s someone out there, and there’s nothing to guarantee that won’t happen again,” Beseler said after a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 28. “We don’t know if we have another Ted Bundy out there.”"

ok thanks for this.......yep they have mentioned the word murderered and they wouldnt say that lightly........ok now I DO have to start thinking in another direction.........

well the obvious to me is grab this KYLE guy....wasnt he the last one to see her and wasnt he also at that house.......

 

[MommaD]

You got me to thinking, maybe it was someone who had gone to the house to give a bid on some part of the job.

Dr. Fessel this is what I stated on post 282 of this thread.. I agree with this.. I have stated even earlier I thought it was someone at the house or around it and planned this over time.. a week maybe a week end.. I would love to see the dumpsters at the school.... I can't see them on google maps .. map doesn't get close enough to see anything much on school grounds.. and no way on the street view.. only stays on streets.. so we have dumpster at park and dumpster more than likely at school.. probably emptied on same day.. from there its either home cans or dumpsters farther away from the burned house on gano ave..

 

[Dee10]

Her dad did say "possibly" in his statement, but I think it's the most likely source in this case unless the tanks had some soot on them. After all, she was seen at both places that afternoon. MOO

Yes she was spotted at both locations, but would propane tanks have soot? I really believe that the simplest solution is the soot came from the burnt house...could have just been on her feet. But regardless, I think that is the biggest evidence we have been given that to me establishes & corroborates "Kyle" a worker at the house she was there & he states he was the last one that saw her (presumably told by LE).

BTW Don't forget to watch AMW...should be on soon.

 

[MommaD]

[ I agree with you. I am stationed at Fort Leavenworth afterall...where the daddy of all military prisons is situated.

Yes military people are not above the law and break it as well. But I am confused. Do you think that Somer's father committed some crime here?

No.... I don't think he committed some crime.. I have no idea as far as crime's go.. I have stated and stated I don't feel the mother or father or siblings had anything to do with Somer being missing or killed...

 

[alsmom]

I think their choice of wording sums it up. They have stated that there is a "child killer" out there, so I do believe they are certain she was murdered. The sheriff called it a "heinous crime", what I haven't heard was the term "Child Molester". We all assumed that from right off the bat. But pretty much the only ones cleared by LE immediately after were all the RSOs in the area. To me, that speaks volumes.

I'm getting frustrated with this case. It would be nice if LE would throw us a bone. I'm beginning to think the burned out house is a red herring. I'm usually wrong though, so take that with a grain of salt. :crazy:

spamelope: I quoted you because I was going on a tangent about RSOs then I changed my mind in the middle because I remembered they had questioned the RSO that worked at that house. Yes, I need to get off this board and clear my head...lol.

 

[smart blonde]

I think their choice of wording sums it up. They have stated that there is a "child killer" out there, so I do believe they are certain she was murdered. The sheriff called it a "heinous crime", what I haven't heard was the term "Child Molester". We all assumed that from right off the bat. But pretty much the only ones cleared by LE immediately after were all the RSOs in the area. To me, that speaks volumes.

Exactly.

The Sheriff said "child abduction murder", "heinous crime", and other things along this line.

The fact that they looked at all the registered sex offenders within a five mile radious, speaks volumes to me.

Note: Although the Sheriff said nothing about any of the RSOs that have been looked at jumped out at them, he also made a point of saying that none of them have been 'cleared' yet.

 

[human]

I agree, I don't think propane tanks would have soot. But I like the idea of the soot on her feet. That makes perfect sense.

I just don't understand this Kyle person. Obviously, LE would know who he is and be able to figure out his movements. So how could it be him? But where could he get that crazy statement that he was the last person to see her alive? How would he or anyone know who the last person was except for the killer?

 

[MommaD]

here the link
http://www.claysheriff.com/08_02_00Mostwanted.asp
Juan Garcia

Omg . he looks like those sketches of those girls missing and killed in earlier threads.. anyone remember them being posted??? it was 3 or 4 girls ages 9-12... some were from ga and some from alabama... but he really fits the sketch.. wow

 

[smart blonde]

At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if CWG told the reporter his name was Kyle. Who knows.

My number one question is still: Why was Clayton William Graham, an absconded registered sex offender, who just happens to match the sketch of the murderer of Shannon Paulk, on the Somer's police report?

 

[NSC]

my interpretation. I don't think that the people DT had around were any better or any worse than those most of the rest of us have around.

Respectfully, Mom you wouldn't catch me dead hanging out with people pretending to take up the rear, Halloween party or not. it is important to know your audience before making a blanket statement like that. That is trashy and classless in my opinion. It is her pergotative what she does, when and how. I don't hang out with classless rear ends - please don't group me with having my children around people that display that type of behavior. Money is not even an issue - some of the poorest people I know have more class than some of the wealthiest people I know. So, this is not an economic issue IMO. I am not June Cleaver either but I like to abide by a simple moral compass - something missing in this country. I might be a little more sypathetic to the situation with mom having a stable family life. Not saying this is her fault, but in her situation you need to be more vigilant. Heck, in this day and age EVERYONE has to be vigilant.

This is a perfect example of Maslow's Hierarchy. Food, Sex and breathing ETC being the lowest on the chain. Once these things are acheived you can go on to saftey of your family etc etc..Yes, it is right there on the chart. This story it seems she is on the lowest level of Maslows heirarchy. I am sure it has flucuated up and down but by no means secure over a period of time. Please don't ask me to explain this unless you take the time to read about it.

Read about Maslow to get a beter understanding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

 

[Ms Suzanne]

What the sheriff said sounds to me like it definitely wasn't an accident, and definitely wasn't a family member. I don't know of LE saying things like this when they suspect an accident as a possibility, or suspect a family member. I am thinking that Somer was likely sexually assaulted.

"Sheriff Rick Beseler wants people in Clay County to know there is reason to be “vigilant and careful” until the person responsible for the murder of 7-year-old Somer Thompson is found.

“There’s someone out there, and there’s nothing to guarantee that won’t happen again,” Beseler said after a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 28. “We don’t know if we have another Ted Bundy out there.”"

http://www.claytoday.biz/content/1636_1.php

I'm thinking maybe it was someone who had been in the neighborhood maybe working at the house or knew one of the persons working and renovating the house.Maybe not for long,a few months? The person may have seen her walk by a few times possibly even talked to her before or waved or something.Did she trust the person enough to go into the house with him?them?for some reason I am thinking someone younger.Near 20?I think he possibly could have made a pass at her and was uncontrolled after that.I don't think this person expected her to fight back as hard as she did if she did.He put her some where close because he did not drive.He probably washed off in the mens rest room at the park.If the person had a car why not just drive further away?I don't know if this person did something like this before.But if he did it this time.I feel he could and would do it again.

 

[MommaD]

CLAYTON WILLIAM GRAHAM.

I suspect him in ALL of the following cases:

* Shannon Nicole Paulk

* Teresa Melissa Dean

* Heaven LaShae Ross

* Kristina Renae Bishop

* Somer Renee Thompson - possible?

I am sure there are more.

(I have to work pretty much round the clock on weekends, but on Monday, I should have more time to post my 'theory' than I do now. Hopefully by then they will have arrested Somer's killer, though).

wow .... smart blonde that is a lot you suspect.. hope to hear your theory soon..

I hope Somer's killer is found ASAP too......

 

[indicat]

Respectfully, Mom you wouldn't catch me dead hanging out with people pretending to take up the rear, Halloween party or not. it is important to know your sudience before making a blanket statement like that. That is trashy and classless in my opinion. It is her pergotative what she does, when and how. I don't hang out with classless rear ends - please don't group me with having my children around people that display that type of behavior. Money is not even an issue - some of the poorest people I know have more class than some of the wealthiest people I know. So, this is not an economic issue IMO. I am not June Cleaver either but I like to abide by a simple moral compass - something missing in this country. I might be a little more sypathetic to the situation with mom having a stable family life. Not saying this is her fault, but in her situation you need to be more vigilant. Heck, in this day and age EVERYONE has to be vigilant.

This is a perfect example of Maslow's Hierarchy. Food, Sex and breathing ETC being the lowest on the chain. Once these things are acheived you can go on to saftey of your family etc etc..Yes, it is right there on the chart. This story it seems she is on the lowest level of Maslows heirarchy. I am sure it has flucuated up and down but by no means secure over a period of time. Please don't ask me to explain this unless you take the time to read about it.

Read about Maslow to get a beter understanding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Unfortunatley this is a highly unpopular way of thinking or looking at a situation. I completely agree with you though.

ETA: I'm not familiar with Maslow and I don't think I would break it down to that level, I just know you will get ruffled feathers for this opinion. your brave for stating this.

 

[Dee10]

I'm getting frustrated with this case. It would be nice if LE would throw us a bone. I'm beginning to think the burned out house is a red herring. I'm usually wrong though, so take that with a grain of salt. :crazy:

spamelope: I quoted you because I was going on a tangent about RSOs then I changed my mind in the middle because I remembered they had questioned the RSO that worked at that house. Yes, I need to get off this board and clear my head...lol.

It certainly may not be the crime scene. They spent 2-3 days I think there, I mentioned many threads ago in the Haleigh Cummings case the MH was kept for roughly 10 days. A wonderful poster there pointed out to me in Somers case where the place was gutted it would probably take less time, which was an excellent point. Although there were pictures taking out bags of evidence...it has not been confirmed this was the crime scene. I am thinking it is not & that is why on the police profile the other day; they mentioned hiding a vehicle in a shed, that sort of thing. :banghead:

 

[not_my_kids]

Respectfully, Mom you wouldn't catch me dead hanging out with people pretending to take up the rear, Halloween party or not. it is important to know your sudience before making a blanket statement like that. That is trashy and classless in my opinion. It is her pergotative what she does, when and how. I don't hang out with classless rear ends - please don't group me with having my children around people that display that type of behavior. Money is not even an issue - some of the poorest people I know have more class than some of the wealthiest people I know. So, this is not an economic issue IMO. I am not June Cleaver either but I like to abide by a simple moral compass - something missing in this country. I might be a little more sypathetic to the situation with mom having a stable family life. Not saying this is her fault, but in her situation you need to be more vigilant. Heck, in this day and age EVERYONE has to be vigilant.

This is a perfect example of Maslow's Hierarchy. Food, Sex and breathing ETC being the lowest on the chain. Once these things are acheived you can go on to saftey of your family etc etc..Yes, it is right there on the chart. This story it seems she is on the lowest level of Maslows heirarchy. I am sure it has flucuated up and down but by no means secure over a period of time. Please don't ask me to explain this unless you take the time to read about it.

Read about Maslow to get a beter understanding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

I've done Maslow, think he's full of it. JMO.
I do know my audience, I don't know you. If we all try to speak from the point of view of every person on this board, I would have to be committed myself. It just isn't possible. If you don't like my opinions, skip them. I am not telling anyone how to raise their kids, and use liberal sprinklings of statements such as JMO, IMO, JMHO, MOO, etc.
I don't see anything wrong with the people that she had around her kids, since the robbery suspects and the sex offender have been stated not to be there.
I am not going to argue about it. I just didn't appreciate the insinuation that I would be uneducated on Maslow and other Bunkmasters of our time.