FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #28

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FWIW- Response a poster on the previous thread and my post from last night:
1) ICP is very popular amongst many ages and crowds and I do not feel that the following in Jax or OP is more popular than anywhere else. I have been to an ICP concert myself and yes, they are crude and not for everyone but I do not consider myself as wierd or a bad person for listening to them at one point in my life either.
2) Hooters: The store that opened in the same complex has been open for a couple of months, so no construction that I know of was going on in that plaza. Also there is an apartment complex near it but not right behind like I initially thought.
 
Where is everyone? This is the least active I have seen this thread at night in a long time:(
 
If by your comment you mean me, I did not imply that any SEARCH was faked.
Just that you may not have had a camera and reporter on the scene at every one of them. I think there was evidence found at more than one place.
I would also give more credence to what the sheriff said than Tim Miller, but that's just me. I don't know how "in the loop" he would have been.
But, if you are going to all the trouble to put detectives on each truck and search them as they were COLLECTED as the sheriff said in his video, I don't think you would want to take a chance on contamination of evidence or having it separated in transit by changing trucks and adding garbage along the way needlessly. And that is all I have to say.

Regardless of whether or not Tim Miller is "in the loop," Equusearch is not going to use their resources to go somewhere and search when the body has already been found. There are too many other people who need those resources.

I've listened to Besseler's statement several times now. His deputy wanted him to have LE follow the garbage trucks. Bessler says he ordered a car to follow each truck to "sort through the garbage as it was collected and brought in." In other words, when they searched the contents of the trucks, they did so in order, as the garbage was collected, one truck at a time as the trucks were brought into the dump (as opposed to letting all of the trucks pick up and go to the landfill unescorted and mixing the trash of all the trucks together, and with other trash at the landfill - which could have really muddied things). They would have had to sort through all of the neighborhood trash with no idea which part of the neighborhood's trash was dumped where. If they found the body doing it that way, there would be no guarantee that the body was with all the garbage that had been dumped in the same dumpster/part of the neighborhood as the remains.

He needed LE to follow each truck to see and notate exactly where each truck went in the neighborhood, and in what order they collected trash. He needed them to sit on the trucks (follow them and watch them) and to ensure that they weren't tampered with at any time prior to Wednesday morning's search - it tightened up the chain of custody in case anything of evidentiary value was found. That's what he assigned LE to do. And LE searched both of the landfills where neighborhood trash was taken, one truck at a time - sorting through it in order, as it were.

Again, if they had found the body in OP there would have been a huge crime scene there. And if LE just didn't want the public to know where the body was found, they would simply tell the media they aren't releasing that info in order to protect the investigation, just like they did with the COD.
 
I have been rounding up the news video to pinpoint when they started to back off on the searches tuesday.. i hope all the links work okay

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/#/Sheriff+Beseler+6+a.m.+News+Conference/49317735001 6am

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21350503/ 10:43

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/ 24 hour foul play? organized searches ? ..

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21353409/ 24 hours here is recap by news to hold off
So I think this is where they knew it was more then they where saying
 
Where is everyone? This is the least active I have seen this thread at night in a long time:(
I think everyone is 'idea-ed' out and tired of surmising. You have to at least have enough information in order to ask intelligent questions-otherwise, you just can't come to any conclusions. And we know very little.
I guess I, for one, am close to losing the faith.
I resolve to keep going, though, in order to find justice for Somer.
Maybe tomorrow...
 
I havent lost faith. Im just weary of tomatos. I will check the bathroom at the park and try the video thing again when i get back to jax end of the week.
 
I have been rounding up the news video to pinpoint when they started to back off on the searches tuesday.. i hope all the links work okay

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/#/Sheriff+Beseler+6+a.m.+News+Conference/49317735001 6am

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21350503/ 10:43

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21352846/ 24 hour foul play? organized searches ? ..

http://www.news4jax.com/video/21353409/ 24 hours here is recap by news to hold off
So I think this is where they knew it was more then they where saying

It would be interesting to have info specifically about Florida's Child Abduction Response Team protocol. I think once that system is set into motion, things are done in a particular fashion, although the original agency receiving the report remains the lead on the investigation.

Anyway, Goodnight all.
 
I think that the video of the Sheriff asking for volunteers to wait is because of what he was saying. They knew it probably was not Somer just running away.

They had hundreds of professionals available now and they didn't want the volunteers to mess up any evidence or perhaps the perp to be able to get away with more shenanigans.

That's why I think no more volunteers, until they regrouped, as he said.
 
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Any luck on the AF you were sleuthing?

Well...no I guess. Primarily I was questioning him going to funeral. Then after seeing he had brothers and a younger one, thought he might know AC. After looking at his MS and seeing younger brother in T-shirt, I had questions about ICP and whether there is a following in OP...as I found quite a few "friends" on his MS that called themselves followers. And also a few who talked about skateboarding. Because I have heard things about this group (ICP followers) and violence, I was curious about whether anyone local knew anything. Someone responded to my post and seemed to think ICP is harmless. I'm not sure if I believe that. I just trying to throw anything out there though....since things seem to be at a standstill.

There are some ICP followers (friends of AF) talking about a "snitch" in their comments. I'm sure this means nothing. They do talk about drugs so maybe that is it.

From his MS, it seems that AF is an okay kid.........but he does have a few creepy friends. I know from my own sons MS that sometimes the people you add as "friends" aren't anyone you actually socialize with. And sometimes they are just added for the heck of it.

I go back and forth on who I think did this to poor little Somer. I do believe that if it were a juvenile offender, he had help disposing of the body....And someone knows something. But if there is a "Gang mentality" or whoever was involved is fearful, it may not come out for a while.

Teenagers know ALOT....I know, I have one. They know who the creepy guys are in the neighborhood, they know which kids do drugs and where to get them. They know which kids have mental issues.

I think someone ( a juvenile) in OP has an idea and is just not talking or is afraid.....
 
Please excuse my grammar and missing letters in the above post. It's past my bedtime. I'm fairly literate when I'm awake.
 
Please excuse my grammar and missing letters in the above post. It's past my bedtime. I'm fairly literate when I'm awake.

Haha. My grammar and letters get messed up even when Im wide awake. I think you make some good points. No stoned unturned. In this case you never know.. anything could be significant.
 
Where is everyone??? Bein all alone on here is creepy............
 
Ya know - I think you guys might just be onto something...

She sounds more like an accomplice to me, unfortunately. Who wouldn't search the dumpster herself if she saw someone throwing a little girl in the trash especially since Somer was missing? :furious:
 
She sounds more like an accomplice to me, unfortunately. Who wouldn't search the dumpster herself if she saw someone throwing a little girl in the trash especially since Somer was missing? :furious:

Pin.. Refresh me.. the mysterious neighbor?
 
Just wanted to throw in a comment about ICP. I'm in my mid 40's and listened to them and still wear their shirt once in a while. I have 3 kids and I DON"T listen to them as frequently (like hardly ever) since a) I misplaced my cds and b) I'm a christian. I know the music and the lyrics are foul language, but my kids listened to them as well and we are from out there hurting anyone. We would give you the shirt off our backs and especially stick up for abused/neglected animals. I think they are harmless, however, each person is different. FWIW.
 
ICP is Insane Clown Posse... band right.. Its not a gang too, is it?
 
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