FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #37

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houndstooth said:
What I am saying is, the child *advertiser censored* charges would have been more than enough to hold him if you were working on evidence that he was a person you wished to speak to or charge in the Somer Thompson murder!

But, they did not charge him, only asked for a swab?! They had him then. They didn't charge him with the *advertiser censored*! They LET him leave. Why? Just so they could go through a circus of two state extraditions? I don't get it at all.

ETA: Unless you thought your case was weak and it makes him LOOK guilty by having to go after him in another state. But, if he's the dangerous criminal you say his is why chance it?
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I don't think they could have got the million dollar bail on just downloading child *advertiser censored*. He probably would have just bailed out. Once they started focusing on him I bet they had him under surveillance.

I don't think they could have got search warrants for the houses looking for evidence in a murder just because of the *advertiser censored*.

I have a feeling they were watching all his online activity and had control of his myspace and probably all of his passwords because it closed after he was arrested.

I think when the DNA from his dad and him came back they moved in.
 
houndstooth said:
What leads me to think he is not a suspect and did not kill Somer is:

1) Neither the dogs nor door to door investigations lead to the house (or his car) being singled out as a crime scene.

2) LE coming out and saying that S.O. were not a group being looked at in this case.

3) He was never seriously looked at by investigators when a target was painted on his back by Friday the 23rd just in case investigators missed him before! They were evidently already focused in another direction.

4) I do not think when Beseler was asked about his working theory, that he and the detectives were not wishing to comment on Tuesday, had anything to do with JH.
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BBM. I could have sworn that LE looked at all the SOs in the area. Are you serious? LE has never checked out the SOs??!! That's shocking!!!
 
I'll feel better when he is actually IN Florida. I don't know why this is making me so nervous.

Too much cable TV I think.
 
BeanE said:
BBM. I could have sworn that LE looked at all the SOs in the area. Are you serious? LE has never checked out the SOs??!! That's shocking!!!
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Much has been made of the 161 registered sex offenders that live near the home of 7-year-old Somer Thompson, whose body was found in a landfill. ...

But police now say they have finished interviewing all of them and they don't believe any of them are suspects.

"We feel that we do not have any suspects that are members of that group," Clay County Sheriff's spokeswoman Mary Justino said Friday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/23/crimesider/entry5414059.shtml


FWIW, JH does not have a record as an adult anyway. Not that I can find. So he would not be in the "SO" category, would he?
 
Dr.Fessel said:
I don't think they could have got the million dollar bail on just downloading child *advertiser censored*. He probably would have just bailed out. Once they started focusing on him I bet they had him under surveillance.

I don't think they could have got search warrants for the houses looking for evidence in a murder just because of the *advertiser censored*.

I have a feeling they were watching all his online activity and had control of his myspace and probably all of his passwords because it closed after he was arrested.

I think when the DNA from his dad and him came back they moved in.
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The million dollar bail IS for the child *advertiser censored* charges. $30,000 per count bail levied.
 
BeanE said:
BBM. I could have sworn that LE looked at all the SOs in the area. Are you serious? LE has never checked out the SOs??!! That's shocking!!!
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Not that they weren't being questioned.....but, said they were not looking at someone from "that group" as a suspect!! Which is how they could dismiss the one from GA out of hand.
 
LOL, link please on the bail calculation?

30,000 x 29 = 870,000
 
Noway said:
Much has been made of the 161 registered sex offenders that live near the home of 7-year-old Somer Thompson, whose body was found in a landfill. ...

But police now say they have finished interviewing all of them and they don't believe any of them are suspects.

"We feel that we do not have any suspects that are members of that group," Clay County Sheriff's spokeswoman Mary Justino said Friday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/23/crimesider/entry5414059.shtml


FWIW, JH does not have a record as an adult anyway. Not that I can find. So he would not be in the "SO" category, would he?
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Thanks, noway. I was so shocked, I just went and looked that up myself. I misunderstood what hound posted.

As you quote above from that blog, LE interviewed all 161 sex offenders living near Somer, including searching their homes etc, and after completing that, feel they don't have a suspect among that 161 people interviewed.

I mistakenly thought hound meant that LE had never and does not think a sex offender could have killed Somer! Sorry.

Very good to know that LE is indeed on the ball!

Clay County Sheriff's spokeswoman Mary Justino said Friday that investigators have talked to all 161 of the sex offenders residing within a 5-mile radius of 7-year-old Somer Thompson's house.

"Homes have been searched, properties have been searched," she told reporters. "We feel at this time that we do not have any suspects who are members of that group. That part of the procedure has been completed."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569245,00.html

BBM - no, since JH doesn't have a record, he would not have been among that group of 161 SOs.
 
houndstooth said:
Not that they weren't being questioned.....but, said they were not looking at someone from "that group" as a suspect!! Which is how they could dismiss the one from GA out of hand.
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Right. Got it. Thanks! LE does not think they have a suspect among that specific 161 SOs they interviewed, home searched, etc.

ETA: Understood about the guy from GA - the 161 suspects they were referring were all the local SOs, not out of state SOs.
 
Noway said:
LOL, link please on the bail calculation?

30,000 x 29 = 870,000
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I heard it on the newsforjax news at 6:00 by the younger guy reporter. He was the one breaking it down. The anchor asked him how the million dollar bail was arrived at and did it have anything to do with being named a POI in the case of Somer Thompson and he replied that, "NO, it was based on a standard $30,000 bail set per charge and because there were 29 counts that's where the million came from". It is possible that other fines and fees are included will the bail amount that was set or the judge just rounded it out a million dollars or it could be that the total was say $986,753.33 and they rounded that!! It is probably on a video from their website. I just so happened to catch that particular night's news at my Mom's live.

ETA: OOPs. I got carried away with my number roundings.
 
http://www.claysheriff.com/05_01_00news.asp?NewsID=450

This is from August 2009.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The first case involves SB, a 40 year old Jacksonville resident arrested yesterday on a warrant for child *advertiser censored*. SB is facing more than 140 counts of possession of child *advertiser censored* due to the vast number of illegal images and movies discovered by detectives. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The second case involves the recent conviction and sentencing of 35-year-old DR of Orange Park. DR was arrested and charged in 2008. He was convicted and sentenced in Clay County court just last week on 26 counts of possession of child *advertiser censored*. DR was sentenced to a total of ten (10) years in prison followed by five (5) years sex offender probation. His court docket summary and original incident report are scanned and attached as well.[/FONT]

And this article about these two also:

http://www.claytoday.biz/content/1397_1.php

I am looking to see whether they were offered bail and whether it was comparable for the number of charges.
 
houndstooth said:
The million dollar bail IS for the child *advertiser censored* charges. $30,000 per count bail levied.
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There are a lot of different things that can go into setting the bail, the actual charges, the likely hood the person will show up for court, other crimes he is being investigated for that they have good evidence that charges will be brought soon.

It really appears the bail was lower on the arrest warrant and changed. I bet it was the DNA coming back that caused that.
 
http://www.pretrial.org/Docs/Documents/Florida.doc



(2) When determining whether to release a defendant on bail or other conditions, and what that bail or those conditions may be, the court shall consider:
(a) The nature and circumstances of the offense charged.

(b) The weight of the evidence against the defendant.

(c) The defendant's family ties, length of residence in the community, employment history, financial resources, and mental condition.

(d) The defendant's past and present conduct, including any record of convictions, previous flight to avoid prosecution, or failure to appear at court proceedings. However, any defendant who had failed to appear on the day of any required court proceeding in the case at issue, but who had later voluntarily appeared or surrendered, shall not be eligible for a recognizance bond; and any defendant who failed to appear on the day of any required court proceeding in the case at issue and who was later arrested shall not be eligible for a recognizance bond or for any form of bond which does not require a monetary undertaking or commitment equal to or greater than $2,000 or twice the value of the monetary commitment or undertaking of the original bond, whichever is greater. Notwithstanding anything in this section, the court has discretion in determining conditions of release if the defendant proves circumstances beyond his or her control for the failure to appear. This section may not be construed as imposing additional duties or obligations on a governmental entity related to monetary bonds.

(e) The nature and probability of danger which the defendant's release poses to the community.

(f) The source of funds used to post bail or procure an appearance bond, particularly whether the proffered funds, real property, property, or any proposed collateral or bond premium may be linked to or derived from the crime alleged to have been committed or from any other criminal or illicit activities. The burden of establishing the noninvolvement in or nonderivation from criminal or other illicit activity of such proffered funds, real property, property, or any proposed collateral or bond premium falls upon the defendant or other person proffering them to obtain the defendant's release.

(g) Whether the defendant is already on release pending resolution of another criminal proceeding or on probation, parole, or other release pending completion of a sentence.

(h) The street value of any drug or controlled substance connected to or involved in the criminal charge. It is the finding and intent of the Legislature that crimes involving drugs and other controlled substances are of serious social concern, that the flight of defendants to avoid prosecution is of similar serious social concern, and that frequently such defendants are able to post monetary bail using the proceeds of their unlawful enterprises to defeat the social utility of pretrial bail. Therefore, the courts should carefully consider the utility and necessity of substantial bail in relation to the street value of the drugs or controlled substances involved.

(i) The nature and probability of intimidation and danger to victims.

(j) Whether there is probable cause to believe that the defendant committed a new crime while on pretrial release.

(k) Any other facts that the court considers relevant.

(l) Whether the crime charged is a violation of chapter 874 or alleged to be subject to enhanced punishment under chapter 874. If any such violation is charged against a defendant or if the defendant is charged with a crime that is alleged to be subject to such enhancement, he or she shall not be eligible for release on bail or surety bond until the first appearance on the case in order to ensure the full participation of the prosecutor and the protection of the public.

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Charges against JH are 827.071(5)
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[SIZE=-1](5) It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess a photograph, motion picture, exhibition, show, representation, or other presentation which, in whole or in part, he or she knows to include any sexual conduct by a child. The possession of each such photograph, motion picture, exhibition, show, representation, or presentation is a separate offense. Whoever violates this subsection is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.[/SIZE]
 
By Gary Taylor, Orlando Sentinel

8:33 a.m. CST, February 18, 2010

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An Edgewater man surrendered at the Volusia County Branch Jail Wednesday night after Edgewater police found child *advertiser censored* on his computer.

Jason Vonnieda, 36, faces 10 counts of possession of a sexual performance by a child, Edgewater police said.

A forensic examination of Vonnieda's computer revealed multiple images of child *advertiser censored*, police said.

Bail is set at $50,000 for Vonnieda.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic...advertiser censored*-20100218,0,5618973.story
 
Noway said:
http://www.pretrial.org/Docs/Documents/Florida.doc



(2) When determining whether to release a defendant on bail or other conditions, and what that bail or those conditions may be, the court shall consider:
(a) The nature and circumstances of the offense charged.
(b) The weight of the evidence against the defendant.
(c) The defendant's family ties, length of residence in the community, employment history, financial resources, and mental condition.
(d) The defendant's past and present conduct, including any record of convictions, previous flight to avoid prosecution, or failure to appear at court proceedings. However, any defendant who had failed to appear on the day of any required court proceeding in the case at issue, but who had later voluntarily appeared or surrendered, shall not be eligible for a recognizance bond; and any defendant who failed to appear on the day of any required court proceeding in the case at issue and who was later arrested shall not be eligible for a recognizance bond or for any form of bond which does not require a monetary undertaking or commitment equal to or greater than $2,000 or twice the value of the monetary commitment or undertaking of the original bond, whichever is greater. Notwithstanding anything in this section, the court has discretion in determining conditions of release if the defendant proves circumstances beyond his or her control for the failure to appear. This section may not be construed as imposing additional duties or obligations on a governmental entity related to monetary bonds.
(e) The nature and probability of danger which the defendant's release poses to the community.
(f) The source of funds used to post bail or procure an appearance bond, particularly whether the proffered funds, real property, property, or any proposed collateral or bond premium may be linked to or derived from the crime alleged to have been committed or from any other criminal or illicit activities. The burden of establishing the noninvolvement in or nonderivation from criminal or other illicit activity of such proffered funds, real property, property, or any proposed collateral or bond premium falls upon the defendant or other person proffering them to obtain the defendant's release.
(g) Whether the defendant is already on release pending resolution of another criminal proceeding or on probation, parole, or other release pending completion of a sentence.
(h) The street value of any drug or controlled substance connected to or involved in the criminal charge. It is the finding and intent of the Legislature that crimes involving drugs and other controlled substances are of serious social concern, that the flight of defendants to avoid prosecution is of similar serious social concern, and that frequently such defendants are able to post monetary bail using the proceeds of their unlawful enterprises to defeat the social utility of pretrial bail. Therefore, the courts should carefully consider the utility and necessity of substantial bail in relation to the street value of the drugs or controlled substances involved.
(i) The nature and probability of intimidation and danger to victims.
(j) Whether there is probable cause to believe that the defendant committed a new crime while on pretrial release.
(k) Any other facts that the court considers relevant.
(l) Whether the crime charged is a violation of chapter 874 or alleged to be subject to enhanced punishment under chapter 874. If any such violation is charged against a defendant or if the defendant is charged with a crime that is alleged to be subject to such enhancement, he or she shall not be eligible for release on bail or surety bond until the first appearance on the case in order to ensure the full participation of the prosecutor and the protection of the public.
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That is the catch all.
 
Noway said:
http://www.claysheriff.com/05_01_00news.asp?NewsID=450

This is from August 2009.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The first case involves SB, a 40 year old Jacksonville resident arrested yesterday on a warrant for child *advertiser censored*. SB is facing more than 140 counts of possession of child *advertiser censored* due to the vast number of illegal images and movies discovered by detectives. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The second case involves the recent conviction and sentencing of 35-year-old DR of Orange Park. DR was arrested and charged in 2008. He was convicted and sentenced in Clay County court just last week on 26 counts of possession of child *advertiser censored*. DR was sentenced to a total of ten (10) years in prison followed by five (5) years sex offender probation. His court docket summary and original incident report are scanned and attached as well.[/FONT]

And this article about these two also:

http://www.claytoday.biz/content/1397_1.php

I am looking to see whether they were offered bail and whether it was comparable for the number of charges.
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Once again, what I see lacking in this story is what the April 2009 investigation revealed as to charges for the people making and selling the *advertiser censored*! 140 *advertiser censored* pics should have yielded a lot more people going down than just this one guy who's wife, bless her heart, had to turn him in.

No wonder it is so prevalent if the focus on these cases is on the buyers and not the purveyors and makers. There should be a follow-up saying how many other arrests this lead to.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
There are a lot of different things that can go into setting the bail, the actual charges, the likely hood the person will show up for court, other crimes he is being investigated for that they have good evidence that charges will be brought soon.

It really appears the bail was lower on the arrest warrant and changed. I bet it was the DNA coming back that caused that.
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Thank you for giving me the key words to search for! I think I found a source with a pretty good idea of what goes into it.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
By Gary Taylor, Orlando Sentinel

8:33 a.m. CST, February 18, 2010

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An Edgewater man surrendered at the Volusia County Branch Jail Wednesday night after Edgewater police found child *advertiser censored* on his computer.

Jason Vonnieda, 36, faces 10 counts of possession of a sexual performance by a child, Edgewater police said.

A forensic examination of Vonnieda's computer revealed multiple images of child *advertiser censored*, police said.

Bail is set at $50,000 for Vonnieda.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic...advertiser censored*-20100218,0,5618973.story
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Perhaps the FBI being involved made this more of a high bail. I find that whenever there is more states involved there is a higher bail. Maybe they are adding child *advertiser censored* charges from both states. In other words, Mississippi may have higher bail for these offenses.

If it were for murder, the charge would be there and it would be less than $1 Million.


http://money.howstuffworks.com/bail1.htm
 
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