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here's the property appraiser link (link to a couple of searches there), I don't know if this link will take you straight to it or if it takes you back to the front of their site, if so, just search with Hopespring. When I go in from the front of the site, I have to click on a link that says "take me to the new improved website" or something like that, click to accept the terms. Then on the left there's the option to search by address, click that, a little box comes up on the right, enter Hopespring Drive, click search. You'll get a list of all the houses on the street that you can scroll down. 4701and 4709 are the ones that back up to the site. Click on any of the listings to see a map view. Once on the map, you can click on any house to jump to that house, like 4758 (other Gz), 4860 (KMTC), 4937 (A) or whatever.
http://paraster.ocpafl.org/Webmap4/default.aspx

Here are various whitepages listings (if it takes you to the main search page just use the "Reverse Address" tab at the top and enter the addresses):
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=4709+Hopespring+Dr&where=Orlando+FL
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=4701+Hopespring+Drive&where=Orlando+FL
further down the middle of Hopespring other Gzes http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=4758+Hopespring+Drive&where=Orlando+FL
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=4860+Hopespring+Drive&where=Orlando+FL
 
butterfly1978 said:
Early on when Casey was visited by Lee in jail, they had a conversation, I don't remember word for word the conversation but it was along the lines of, "I have told them everything, I told you, I told mom, and dad, you have found out more than they have, if they don't follow my directions to a "T" I can't help help them, or something along those lines not exact qoute, but what stood out to me and has bothered me every since Caylee was found was the "in my heart she is still close" and the "following my directions to the T" and "I dropped her off between 9 and 1 with Zeinida Gonzalos".
When Caylee was found she was close to home, she had also been dropped off between 9-1 between Zeinada and Gonzalas, these things we have already established that she was giving directions on. That only leaves one other part to her directions not yet resolved and does it hold more evidence? The part I'm talking about is following her directions to the T..... Was Casey really giving directions on how to find Caylee and they were finally starting to put it together and thats why DC was searching the house and the woods?
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I think this was nothing more than KC embellishing her lie in an effort to sound more authentic. Lee fired off written questions each visit, the entire time. KC hated this. She told her dad she did not want to meet with Lee one on one because he'd have 'a thousand questions' for her. George tried to insist it would not be like that and she responded, 'well thats how it has been'.
Lee fancied himself a self appointed private dick and KC's embellishments were nothing more than tossing her interrogator a bone. Nothing KC said to her family or investigators was meant to keep them on track. Quite the contrary.

KC had 31 days to concoct different alibis. I think this was the most recent, and in her mind the most plausible, excuse she was entertaining. It was not fully developed, but her mother busting in on her unexpectedly forced her to blurt out this story when her back was against the wall.
 
seagull65 said:
As far as checking places familiar to us and places I told Mom about....I still wonder about that, too. The first part seems like she's referring to the stories she'd told Cindy during the "missing weeks", i.e. the story about Hard Rock Cafe, Z being in the car accident, the stuff about her and JH maybe wanting to be a family and going up to JAX etc. Not as close to home as the houses at the end of the street but....

I think it's really interesting to reconsider the places she was telling LE to look too, as crazy as they seem. For example, the places she mentioned dropping Caylee off with Z in the past. She mentioned they were in a house at one time in Andover Lakes.....where else did she mention. A house near Conway and Michigan....wait, that's where Sawgrass is actually located isn't it? She mentioned an apartment in the building across from JP's place.... I keep wondering, were these all just crazy delusions or hallucinations or confusion of hers, or was she trying to get them to look at particular places but was afraid to come out with it? Also the way she went on about checking for video of people coming through the turnstiles at Universal, thinking Z would have brought Caylee through the turnstiles there, etc.
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She wouldn't be having hallucinations and delusions that severe and still function on the level she did. No way. She was shopping, partying, etc. That just wouldn't happen. She even had the presence of mind to rip off Amy with forged checks. She was 100% aware of her ill begotten deceptions.
 
just re-listening to the conversations/directions because it's been so long. This was Casey and Lee on 7/26
http://www.wftv.com/video/17018743/index.html
at 5:15 mark, Lee says you have to give the police information to a T, not generalities.
5:45 My gut feeling is she's okay and she's close to home.
6:25 Last phone contact from Zenaida was on July 15 the day mom called the police.
6:44 Lee requesting passwords to get Casey's phone records
7:25 I know what the day is today but not sure about past couple months, nothing clear, it's like the days are all lumped into one
7:40 area codes Zanny's calls came in on were 954, 407, 321
9:35 Casey saying we need to find the blackjack phone
10:38 The last place I can remember having the phone might have been at Universal (when I went in through the park with a couple of mutual friends) or I might have had it at Jay Blanchard Park.
13:05 Jeff and Juliet are the only ones I told
13:40 Juliet worked at Universal (for the park itself, not Colorvision or Kodak)

it's very sad listening to this knowing how hard Lee was trying. On 7/30 she called him again, he sounded totally exhausted and sad. In contrast, she sounded like she thought she was talking about some event she was planning as an event planner, as if she didn't have a clue Caylee was actually missing or in danger.
 
I'll post this one from youtube, I hope that's okay. This is Casey's words only with the officers' voices edited out for quick listening, it's an interesting way to listen through the information/directions that she gave LE. I think this was the first interview with LE at the A family home on 7/16/08. Then they took her on the drive around to the places she mentioned having dropped Caylee with Z in the past, and the trip out to the imaginary office at Universal. There's a little glitch at the very beginning of her voice saying "it's the truth". I think that phrase was actually from the very end of her interview with them out at Universal.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg[/ame]
 
seagull65 said:
just re-listening to the conversations/directions because it's been so long
http://www.wftv.com/video/17018743/index.html
at 5:15 mark, Lee says you have to give the police information to a T, not generalities.
5:45 My gut feeling is she's okay and she's close to home.
6:25 Last phone contact from Zenaida was on July 15 the day mom called the police.
6:44 Lee requesting passwords to get Casey's phone records
7:25 I know what the day is today but not sure about past couple months, nothing clear, it's like the days are all lumped into one
7:40 area codes Zanny's calls came in on were 954, 407, 321
9:35 Casey saying we need to find the blackjack phone
10:38 The last place I can remember having the phone might have been at Universal (when I went in through the park with a couple of mutual friends) or I might have had it at Jay Blanchard Park.
13:05 Jeff and Juliet are the only ones I told
13:40 Juliet worked at Universal (for the park itself, not Colorvision or Kodak)

it's very sad listening to this knowing how hard Lee was trying.
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I think what is really sad is the fact that by July 26th when this was recorded Lee already knew KC had not worked at Universal for almost 3 years and she is still trying to pass off a load of bologna...... Problem with this family is no one calls KC on her lies...... That is what is really sad. jmo
 
unfortunately some of our old links in the official documents no longer go straight to the audio. Hope it's okay to post these for convenience. Same as above but the complete version with the officers' questions (first interview at the house July 16): [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI9UxXgLAd8&feature=related[/ame]
(and you can find the link to the second part of this interview in the margin there when you go to the audio.)

Same day, July 16, here's Part 1 of the officers interviewing Casey at Universal Studios after they went to her imaginary office. It seems to repeat the first fifty minutes, if you want to start at the 0:50 mark approx.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_SyH8-6Pho&feature=related[/ame] You can find the other parts of the same interview there in the margin on youtube.
 
ETA when you go to the county property appraiser link above and search on the name ZGs and ZGz, you also find two properties in the Waterford Lakes kind of area, out past Fusian and near that street Bella Vida (not Bella Vita but close :) ). That link only shows property owners, of course. There could be other ZGs renting places in Orlando but not property owners.
When you search whitepages, there's a Z C. G who does have relatives named Victor and Gloria. The only address mentioned on the white pages is in Hialeah FL, but that doesn't mean there aren't other addresses that person has lived. Does whitepages only show landline phones, it doesn't show cell listings, right?
 
I think those letters from the jailhouse friend written by KC stated that ZFG would never have done anything to Caylee and that KC did not blame her for coming forward. Very generous of her.
 
seagull65 said:
I'll post this one from youtube, I hope that's okay. This is Casey's words only with the officers' voices edited out for quick listening, it's an interesting way to listen through the information/directions that she gave LE. I think this was the first interview with LE at the A family home on 7/16/08. Then they took her on the drive around to the places she mentioned having dropped Caylee with Z in the past, and the trip out to the imaginary office at Universal. There's a little glitch at the very beginning of her voice saying "it's the truth". I think that phrase was actually from the very end of her interview with them out at Universal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg
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I wish I hadn't listened to that......grrrr. :furious:
Way too much information being offered by this lying monster,
her voice actually made my teeth hurt!
 
Here are the details/info she gave LE:

Talks about the shed at Sawgrass, it's about 10 yards from the building. Z's apartment is an upstairs apartment 210. Dropped Caylee off with ZFG. Has known Z almost 4 yrs, 4 yrs at Xmas.
Met Jeffrey Michael H at Nickelodeon at Universal, met Z through him. She was his son's nanny. He left work at Universal 9-10 months ago. He moved up to N. Carolina for a short time, then down to Jacksonville within last 3 months.
I can find a number for him but don't know it offhand. I have 2 phones. Just received new phone through work, through Universal. It won't keep its charge, so I still use my old phone that I also got through Universal. I use it for business but also personal. (#9286). The SIM card is in my Nokia phone but I know there's #s saved to the cellphone itself, so if we can get the actual phone I know at least one number for Z and probably Jeff, they are not on the SIM card but on the phone.
Yes I filed an incident report. I know I left the phone on my desk at work after I switched the SIM card back to my old phone that will keep its charge. I know I left it on my desk and hadn't been to work for 3 or 4 days.
Met Z while still pregnant. Year and a half or two years that she's been watching Caylee. Another friend that I knew from middle school used to watch Caylee, but she went back to school.
Jeff offered for Z to watch both kids and she agreed. For a few months I dropped her off at Jeff's house over in Avalon Park, Z watched them there. Then I took Caylee to Z's apartment, end of 2006 beginning of 2007. She had an apartment on Glenwood, off of Bumby and Robinson. She lived there for quite a few months, then moved to Sawgrass recently this year. She's been at that apartment at Sawgrass for 3 or 4 months.
She lived with her mom off of Michigan for a little bit, the neighborhood crosses over Conway. Her mom wasn't living there at the time, her mom had gotten another place with her sister so Z was staying at the house, then Z moved in with the girls/roommates (mentioned?) in the pages.
Got off of work at Universal, drove back to Sawgrass to pick up Caylee, knocked on the door, no one answered. Called Z but her phone was no longer in service. I sat on the steps and waited. Time passed, no one showed up or called. So I went to Jay Blanchard Park and a couple stores that I know Z shops at and has taken Caylee before. After 7:00, still hadn't heard anything. I was becoming frantic so went to a neutral place, my boyfriend Anthony's house at Sutton Pl.
I talked to Jeffrey Hopkins, I attempted to contact Z's mother but never received a call back from her. I think her name is Gloria.
I've had the Nokia for almost a full year. Z's number has changed a few times, different service providers. Jeff's number changed a couple of times when he moved up to NC and Jacksonville, I know I have a current number for him in that phone, or might be able to find it online.
I talked to Juliet Lewis, she is one of my co-workers at Universal, she's also an event coordinator, we work in the same department.
Her number just changed because in the last 2 months she moved back up north to NY, she's subleasing her apartment.
I've tried to find out information from people, going to Fusian and bars that I know Z goes to, to see if there's any random talk about where Z is, if anyone's talked to her lately.
I could find Juliet's number on one of our old worksheets, she has a new number that I just programmed into my phone, last spoke to her 3 weeks ago just after this happened.
I was afraid Caylee would get hurt if I told my parents or the police or if the media got involved.
Zenaida has a seasonal ID for Universal, but the only job that I know she's had for the last few years is working as a nanny.
Jeff's child is still with him.
Zenaida has family down south, mother and sister, her brother is in NY, she's originally from NY. Grew up there, moved down here and went to Univ of FL. She's black and Puerto-Rican.
 
None of it is useful as lies though, is it? I mean, to say, I work at X place, just to go there and then say, oops, now that you're telling me I no longer work here I now remember I don't work here anymore, etc.

To me she sounds like a girl I knew who was drugged by someone (it seemed like probably with LSD) at a party. Afterwards, long afterwards, she continued to believe that what she'd thought had happened during that time actually happened, she couldn't grasp that what she thought she'd been doing and where she'd been were not accurate. MOO Sometimes you see it with meth users, too, I don't know about other drugs like rohypnol or whatever. On the other hand, to me, like in the conversations with Lee, she and he both seem to be talking as if maybe they both know that she goes through periods of confusion and doesn't know what's been going on (whether manic periods, or drug use or what I don't know) but they seem to both talk like he knows she doesn't remember what was going on, it's all a blur, he's going to have to find out what happened. It doesn't seem new or strange to him, he seems familiar with this problem. Like she loses things and doesn't know where, can't remember from one day to the next, etc. MOO I still can't tell exactly what her condition may be. Some of the things she said seemed classic schizophrenic, the confusion of time and place, the theme that someone had given her a script, the theme of people not being themselves (i.e. a different Jeff Hopkins, etc, and a co-worker who's same name as a famous actress). Weird for sure. Maybe lies, but I'm not sure personally. But anyway, it's great to have this thread to talk specifically about the directions she did give. Just to drive us crazy:crazy:
 
I meant that that audio above repeats the first 50 seconds not minutes LOL
 
IF, huge if, ICA has been on drugs July 16, 08, the jail would have notified JB and JB would have been screaming it at the top of his lungs to the media. CA would have been screaming it at the national media. They both would have still been screaming it now.

ICAs only choice of drug was a lie, then another and another. She gets high from lying. But not from any foreign substance(s) in her system.
 
countzero said:
IF, huge if, ICA has been on drugs July 16, 08, the jail would have notified JB and JB would have been screaming it at the top of his lungs to the media. CA would have been screaming it at the national media. They both would have still been screaming it now.

ICAs only choice of drug was a lie, then another and another. She gets high from lying. But not from any foreign substance(s) in her system.
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And even if she had taken/was given drugs months earlier they would show
up in her hair. I'll bet she was thoroughly tested.
 
(I meant drugged at some point during the month, or other mental problem during the missing weeks, hence the dearth of memories, confused memory, failure to report, etc. and the delusional thought that she still worked in that office, that Juliet Lewis is her coworker, that JH is a different person, etc. I mean, unless it all turns out to be true! LOL) Of course we have no way of knowing what could have been in her system when, we don't have that information, or if she has manic or schizophrenic episodes, or if this was the first onset of such a serious one. Or if something else happened to her, like a concussion or a mental trauma or anything else. We just don't have that information so far.

If she gets high from lying, that sounds like mania or something.

It seems like intentional, sane, psychopathic type lying would be lying to keep yourself out of prison, lying to protect your interests, not lying to put yourself in prison ;) To me she sounds like it's possible she's a person who literally can't tell the truth to save her life, can't. But of course we don't have the information to know which is the case. And unless her defense thought to have a lot of medical tests run early on, we will probably never know.

OK, last response from me on that topic :) we don't want to take the thread off topic :) I know you are strongly of the opinion it was intentional lying and I respect your point of view, and you could be right.
Back to topic: Following Casey's directions
 
I believe Dr. Glass stated she's a sociopath which is a behavioral problem.
 
If KC thought she really did work at Universal she would have been showing up there expecting to work. Security would have called the police asking them to do something about the crazy women who keeps coming in thinking she had a job there.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out she has some type of mental illness, but wouldn't a mental illness mean she was even more likely to kill her child?
 
seagull65 said:
None of it is useful as lies though, is it? I mean, to say, I work at X place, just to go there and then say, oops, now that you're telling me I no longer work here I now remember I don't work here anymore, etc.

To me she sounds like a girl I knew who was drugged by someone (it seemed like probably with LSD) at a party. Afterwards, long afterwards, she continued to believe that what she'd thought had happened during that time actually happened, she couldn't grasp that what she thought she'd been doing and where she'd been were not accurate. MOO Sometimes you see it with meth users, too, I don't know about other drugs like rohypnol or whatever. On the other hand, to me, like in the conversations with Lee, she and he both seem to be talking as if maybe they both know that she goes through periods of confusion and doesn't know what's been going on (whether manic periods, or drug use or what I don't know) but they seem to both talk like he knows she doesn't remember what was going on, it's all a blur, he's going to have to find out what happened. It doesn't seem new or strange to him, he seems familiar with this problem. Like she loses things and doesn't know where, can't remember from one day to the next, etc. MOO I still can't tell exactly what her condition may be. Some of the things she said seemed classic schizophrenic, the confusion of time and place, the theme that someone had given her a script, the theme of people not being themselves (i.e. a different Jeff Hopkins, etc, and a co-worker who's same name as a famous actress). Weird for sure. Maybe lies, but I'm not sure personally. But anyway, it's great to have this thread to talk specifically about the directions she did give. Just to drive us crazy:crazy:
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She's certainly not schizophrenic and definitely not classic schizophrenic. She had control of her faculties and was telling lies to fit the situation, making things up as she went along and was fairly consistent about her story. It was nothing more than a person making things up as they went along. Though she was flagrantly lying, her thinking was not disorganized (everything she made up supported her initial claim that she didn't know where caylee was, etc) and she has never had any history we know of with heavy drug use or severe mental illness.
 
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