For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[Controversialist]

Yeah, but there was no Zanny and she was at the house with Caylee, as she lied about having a job as well. And there is an hour of unusual activity,and an unsupervised child and a pool. So, for some its more logical to believe this then thinking Scientist Casey was knocking Caylee out for short periods of times to party. Makes no sense.

I suppose it's conceivable that Caylee did in fact drown in the pool, but by design.

If Caylee and ICA were ever alone together that day at the A's home, it's possible that ICA let Caylee go swimming alone on purpose. I concede, we might need surveillance camera footage or another "smoking gun" to prove this.

This theory does not yet address motive, but it also does not require chloroform, and it perhaps fits the cadaver dogs hitting the back yard, as well as many other elements of the case.

:truce: :guitar: :coffeews:

 

[beccalecca1]

To everyone that believes that Caylee (deceased) was in the trunk of Casey's car with chloroform and all... can you please help me understand this one point:

After the car had been sitting in the towyard for approx. 2 weeks, the Anthony's took the car home and opened up every door, window, hood, and trunk to air it out. Chloroform is a highly volatile substance, and I would suspect that after being in the trunk for 2 weeks, it would've all been released into the trunk air and then out into the atmosphere for the minimum 2 hours that Cindy returned to work (possibly longer depending on when she finally closed the trunk).

When LE confiscated the car the next day, how would there have been off the charts chloroform in the trunk if it was all aired out? Doesn't it make more sense that before closing the trunk the final time Cindy attempted to clean it, possibly even using a bleach solution to get rid of the smell (or a cleaner with bleach in it), and then when she closed the trunk the final time the chloroform departed into the trunk air at that time?

I'm so confused when people continue to talk about Caylee being chloroformed and the proof is in the air samples, when everyone knows that the car was aired out for hours. I'm pretty sure Brian the neighbor testified to seeing the trunk opened up. If not him, I know I heard someone state they saw the car all opened up on the 15th of July.

 

[Chablis]

I suppose it's conceivable that Caylee did in fact drown in the pool, but by design.

If Caylee and ICA were ever alone together that day at the A's home, it's possible that ICA let Caylee go swimming alone on purpose. I concede, we might need surveillance camera footage or another "smoking gun" to prove this.

This theory does not yet address motive, but it also does not require chloroform, and it perhaps fits the cadaver dogs hitting the back yard, as well as many other elements of the case.

:truce: :guitar: :coffeews:

To be honest, my mind has went to what if she put the ladder in the pool and let fate take its course. Its just the attempting to get ahold of her parents that makes me lean towards accidental drowning, and according to her phone activity, she had to have been tired.

 

[beccalecca1]

If this was an innocent pool accident (ICA never intended it, was distraught over losing her treasured child, knew it was too late to call 911, etc), why did ICA hide this story like a pit bull for three years, in favor of two fictional kidnapping stories, then have the sudden epiphany to share the truth for the first time when the trial opened?

If ICA's blatant lies to LE were because GA had earlier traumatized her to lie all the time, why did ICA's relentless urge to lie suddenly disappear at trial?

:waitasec::waitasec:fftobed:

IIRC, this defense didn't just appear at trial, they knew about it 6 months before hand. Understandably that is still close to trial. We, the public, didn't know about this defense until the trial, but that doesn't mean it wasn't spoken of before the trial.

 

[Hot Dogs]

I wonder when Casey first got to see George's OCSO interview. I mean, she's in jail and can't look it up in the doc dumps on the web. Maybe when she finally read his accounts for the 16th her eyes bugged out. "He said what?! That is not what happened!"

 

[Controversialist]

Not if it was an accident. Casey or George or both would only be guilty of disposing of the body. Why does it have to be murder. I think the whole DT case was that this wasn't a murder but an accident.

Your right, I should have clarified. Not that GA would necessarily be guilty of Murder One, but at least obstruction, lying to LE, etc. Given the jury's current posture toward ICA (no felonies), I don't see how GA could also be innocent of all crimes.

It seems someone should be held accountable for Caylee's pool death (even if this is in the sense of child neglect), and / or the failure to report the death.

And IMO either ICA or GA had to place the duct tape on Caylee, which in itself deserves a resolution.

:maddening::waitasec::twocents:

 

[MEM2010]

To everyone that believes that Caylee (deceased) was in the trunk of Casey's car with chloroform and all... can you please help me understand this one point:

After the car had been sitting in the towyard for approx. 2 weeks, the Anthony's took the car home and opened up every door, window, hood, and trunk to air it out. Chloroform is a highly volatile substance, and I would suspect that after being in the trunk for 2 weeks, it would've all been released into the trunk air and then out into the atmosphere for the minimum 2 hours that Cindy returned to work (possibly longer depending on when she finally closed the trunk).

When LE confiscated the car the next day, how would there have been off the charts chloroform in the trunk if it was all aired out? Doesn't it make more sense that before closing the trunk the final time Cindy attempted to clean it, possibly even using a bleach solution to get rid of the smell (or a cleaner with bleach in it), and then when she closed the trunk the final time the chloroform departed into the trunk air at that time?

I'm so confused when people continue to talk about Caylee being chloroformed and the proof is in the air samples, when everyone knows that the car was aired out for hours. I'm pretty sure Brian the neighbor testified to seeing the trunk opened up. If not him, I know I heard someone state they saw the car all opened up on the 15th of July.

interesting. I don't have an answer but have you heard in the 911 call where KC appears to be saying I'll never get this car clean in the background?

*note the video implies that she says "I have nothing to talk to them" but it actually IMO sounds like "I'll never get this car clean"

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo7M-esOg-0&feature=related"]YouTube - ‪Cindy Anthonys 911 call. A part NEVER heard on tv‬‏[/ame]




and here on the original tape played in court it's at about 3:33

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjf8a5PoIY&feature=relmfu"]YouTube - ‪Cindy's 3rd 911 Call Played For Casey Jury‬‏[/ame]

 

[MissJames]

exactly. They wanted KC acquitted on all charges so if they brought up her "chloroform habit" then it would implicate her on the aggravated child abuse.

When reading JG's depo regarding how KC basically had one foot in reality and if something happened to Caylee she would lose it and convince herself of a new reality (paraphrased)

So I was actually pretty surprised the DT didn't bring that depo up in court.

JG is not an expert and would not have been allowed to testify to that. My understanding is that chloroform burns the skin .There were links when we were trying to figure out if ICA was using it repeatedly on Caylee. There would be physical signs of use. Not one person ever said ICA used chloroform or that it was being used by those she was with.

 

[Aqua_Green_Bean]

To everyone that believes that Caylee (deceased) was in the trunk of Casey's car with chloroform and all... can you please help me understand this one point:

After the car had been sitting in the towyard for approx. 2 weeks, the Anthony's took the car home and opened up every door, window, hood, and trunk to air it out. Chloroform is a highly volatile substance, and I would suspect that after being in the trunk for 2 weeks, it would've all been released into the trunk air and then out into the atmosphere for the minimum 2 hours that Cindy returned to work (possibly longer depending on when she finally closed the trunk).

When LE confiscated the car the next day, how would there have been off the charts chloroform in the trunk if it was all aired out? Doesn't it make more sense that before closing the trunk the final time Cindy attempted to clean it, possibly even using a bleach solution to get rid of the smell (or a cleaner with bleach in it), and then when she closed the trunk the final time the chloroform departed into the trunk air at that time?

I'm so confused when people continue to talk about Caylee being chloroformed and the proof is in the air samples, when everyone knows that the car was aired out for hours. I'm pretty sure Brian the neighbor testified to seeing the trunk opened up. If not him, I know I heard someone state they saw the car all opened up on the 15th of July.

It is like when a cat pees on the carpet, once the liquid has attached itself to a porous surface (i.e. the carpet liner in the trunk), it is difficult to get the smell out.

I am NOT a chemist giggle , or I would try to explain further, but I imagine it has something to do with molecules of the liquid binding to the carpet or something scientific like that.

 

[MissJames]

interesting. I don't have an answer but have you heard in the 911 call where KC appears to be saying I'll never get this car clean in the background?

*note the video implies that she says "I have nothing to talk to them" but it actually IMO sounds like "I'll never get this car clean"

YouTube - ‪Cindy Anthonys 911 call. A part NEVER heard on tv‬‏

She's actually saying "I have nothing to talk to them (about)" Just as you can see in the transcription. Why would she say she couldn't get her car clean when CA is trying to get her to talk to the dispatch operator?

 

[MissJames]

Thanks for clarifying. I knew they were suppose to have that meeting and that LE taped taking GA there, but I didn't know what happened after that. I assumed they still had the meeting, it just wasn't recorded (which honestly surprised me because I know LE did a lot of secret recordings).

Not so secret .Pretty much everyone knows that's what LE does routinely,IMO.I would expect it and GA ,being ex-LE certainly knew it,despite his protest when it came out.

 

[MEM2010]

She's actually saying "I have nothing to talk to them (about)" Just as you can see in the transcription. Why would she say she couldn't get her car clean when CA is trying to get her to talk to the dispatch operator?

Oh I see. Every time I listen to it that's exactly what it sounds like to me (I'll never get this car clean) but I am sure I could be wrong. But as an alternative maybe KC didn't think that would be caught by the dispatcher.

In another scenario, I could see KC telling her parents that she left the garbage in the car and she doesn't want the police to think anything bad so she cleans it or asks them for help with cleaning it.

idk I know I'm reaching. I just really wish the truth would come out. It's just something about all this that won't let me stop looking into it further

 

[MissJames]

I appreciate alternate theories and would actually feel some relief, and probably less angry about the verdict, if someone could post one that is actually reasonable and makes sense. But everything you wrote would still make her guilty of manslaughter/neglect.

I wish I could agree,but ignoring the real evidence and making stuff up out of thin air ,does not make her NG and it makes me crazy that these theories are thrown around,epecially when they spring from incorrect information.

 

[beccalecca1]

interesting. I don't have an answer but have you heard in the 911 call where KC appears to be saying I'll never get this car clean in the background?

*note the video implies that she says "I have nothing to talk to them" but it actually IMO sounds like "I'll never get this car clean"

YouTube - ‪Cindy Anthonys 911 call. A part NEVER heard on tv‬‏




and here on the original tape played in court it's at about 3:33

YouTube - ‪Cindy's 3rd 911 Call Played For Casey Jury‬‏

I kind of hear what you're saying, but she says something or is cut off from saying something when she says this, so the "I'll never get this car cleaned" doesn't make sense to me. Listening to it over again I feel like she's saying "I don't have anything to say to them"

 

[jon_burrows]

interesting. I don't have an answer but have you heard in the 911 call where KC appears to be saying I'll never get this car clean in the background?

*note the video implies that she says "I have nothing to talk to them" but it actually IMO sounds like "I'll never get this car clean"

YouTube - ‪Cindy Anthonys 911 call. A part NEVER heard on tv‬‏




and here on the original tape played in court it's at about 3:33

YouTube - ‪Cindy's 3rd 911 Call Played For Casey Jury‬‏

Woah, I just watched Cindy on the stand. She never shed a tear. In fact, when she had her head down shaking, the tissue was in her hand which was in her hair. If she had truly been crying her whole face would have been soaked and she would have had snot all over (sorry for the graphic). Fake! That 911 call was played on lots of interviews that Cindy and George did, neither one of them flinched then.

IMO

 

[MEM2010]

Regardless of the scenario it's apparent (to me at least) that the Anthony's know way more than they are letting on.

 

[beccalecca1]

It is like when a cat pees on the carpet, once the liquid has attached itself to a porous surface (i.e. the carpet liner in the trunk), it is difficult to get the smell out.

I am NOT a chemist giggle , or I would try to explain further, but I imagine it has something to do with molecules of the liquid binding to the carpet or something scientific like that.

I'm not a chemist either :innocent:

But, it's been said over and over again that chloroform is highly volatile, I would assume that means it doesn't bind to anything. Now, if you're inferring that it was in the human decomposition fluid that binded to the trunk carpet, then why isn't there a dark stain to reflect that? there are 2 stains I saw in the carpet of the trunk, a brown one (that looked like a pile of dirt) and a white-ish one (bleach maybe?). On the underside of the trunk carpet IIRC it looked 'wet'; but not like a decompositional fluid that is so toxic it destroys biological growth.

 

[beccalecca1]

Oh I see. Every time I listen to it that's exactly what it sounds like to me (I'll never get this car clean) but I am sure I could be wrong. But as an alternative maybe KC didn't think that would be caught by the dispatcher.

In another scenario, I could see KC telling her parents that she left the garbage in the car and she doesn't want the police to think anything bad so she cleans it or asks them for help with cleaning it.

idk I know I'm reaching. I just really wish the truth would come out. It's just something about all this that won't let me stop looking into it further

I feel there is still more to find out about this case. There is too many bizarre coincidences, twists and turns, in this case for it to be over now.

And, I still feel like this was an accident that snowballed out of control, and I feel like out of all the discovery released and everything the state did present to court, she didn't murder her child. Granted, I didn't follow this closely for 3 years and meticulously analyze every piece of discovery with dozens of others on this board. But, from what I saw with my own eyes and discussed in little bits here and there, I didn't see any reason to come up with any other conclusion than what the jury did.

 

[pcrum12]

bbm

I agree, but that's ifCaylee was in her care at the time of her death. I have seen theories floated that she could have been under Cindy's care. Maybe she drowned when they went swimming after going to the nursing home on the 15th. Or under George's care if KC hadn't woken up yet.

Not necessarily what I believe b/c to me Cindy seemed very sincere on her 911 call but.. idk.

BBM - I think this is what the jury may hav believed. And its believable to me.

 

[gngr~snap]

Regardless of the scenario it's apparent (to me at least) that the Anthony's know way more than they are letting on.

wow that is an understatement!
Just got done reading 300+ pages of GA deposition...
HE is so full of it!
he spent from July 15 into Aug following Jesse Grund! He wasn't looking for Caylee!

That man is disturbed!