For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[1Chump]

Very good point. But if the trunk was aired out, how is obtaining a sample as its been contaminated by air and whatever for hours, how is that an accurate example as proof someone killed their child?

Also, the "air" samples were taken after LE processed the car including spraying "Blue Star" (similar to luminol.)

 

[1Chump]

I agree but, chloroform in high levels didn't get in that trunk all by itself.
....
BTW, IMO, Febreeze dryer sheets do not elevate chloroform to 10,000 times normal level.

Note- only pertinent parts of quote copied.

Dr. Vass who is not a chemist testified that there was high levels of chloroform.

The FBI chemist testified trace amounts that would be expected in every day things such as cleaning products.

 

[Chablis]

Note- only pertinent parts of quote copied.

Dr. Vass who is not a chemist testified that there was high levels of chloroform.

The FBI chemist testified trace amounts that would be expected in every day things such as cleaning products.

So the FBI said there were normal amounts, and Dr Vass who is not trained in the field to determine that, said it was mega high. Yet we dont listen to the FBI, but go believe a guy because his theory fits murder. Yikes.

 

[eleni777]

Note- only pertinent parts of quote copied.

Dr. Vass who is not a chemist testified that there was high levels of chloroform.

The FBI chemist testified trace amounts that would be expected in every day things such as cleaning products.

And we know the car and trunk was CLEANED...the pictures of the trunk that the LE took when they finally impounded the car...showed it was dang near spotless. Only a detailed trunk is THAT clean.

I never bought the whole chloroform line...why cook up a batch of chloroform a grown up can easily overpower a toddler; especially when you have a pool and a baby that can't swim... jmo.

 

[time]

So you heard enough evidence to believe that Casey was molested but you didn't hear enough evidence to believe that Casey murdered Caylee?

WOW

The poster said "inclined to believe". Since this case was not about trying to prove or try George Anthony for child molestation, I doubt the poster was making a legal determination. Your comparison is emotional, not logical. Sadly, that is a lot of posts on this forum. Don't you care about the other posters here? Is your emotion about this so important, is it ok to jump on them because you are upset. A juror had to determine if there was reasonable doubt. You don't agree, fine. But no one here is trying to legally determine if there is or isn't reasonable doubt George molested Casey.

The title of this thread is, 'For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.' But how many of us want to keep posting, if this is what happens? As I said before, I quit posting anything about this on any forums two years ago or more. At that time I raised an issue about Kronk seeming hinky and NO ONE wanted to even talk about that. His story seems even hinkier now. Is that a major issue, I still don't know.

 

[Chablis]

And we know the car and trunk was CLEANED...the pictures of the trunk that the LE took when they finally impounded the car...showed it was dang near spotless. Only a detailed trunk is THAT clean.

I never bought the whole chloroform line...why cook up a batch of chloroform a grown up can easily overpower a toddler; especially when you have a pool and a baby that can't swim... jmo.

And why the dramatic taping to make your daughter not breathe? Why not put a pillow over her? As soon as NG heard "chloroform" she cried murder to the millions, and that was WRONG. jmo

 

[eleni777]

And why the dramatic taping to make your daughter not breathe? Why not put a pillow over her? As soon as NG heard "chloroform" she cried murder to the millions, and that was WRONG. jmo

Yeah..the tape was staging the body to look like a kidnapping to either cover up the accident or murder, imo.

For me, NG is a <modsnip>. I stopped watching her show once I heard her stating speculation as a FACT. As an attorney she should know that using the media to spew speculation as FACTS is a NO NO.

The media and entertainment industry LOVES to sensationalize and dramatize everything...dang even the weather channel send someone on location for a squal of storms causing people to panic and flee. And for what a little thunder and lightening. We get so desensitized that when something dangerous comes our way instead of running away we run to it too see it. It's sickening.

I honestly believe if this had played out so LOUDLY on the media/entertainment circuit that the ending would have been very different.

 

[1Chump]

I think it was more mistaken identity, not necessarily lying. The only person I would see who could possibly benefit by lying (which is usually why people lie in the first place), is George if he truly were involved.

Dr. Vass and Co. was mistaken by suggestion I'm guessing.

The only thing that I'm having a hard time swallowing is those cadaver dogs. I know it's not an exact science with them, but the dogs have never false alerted before, so why would they now. And, they're the only ones I know that wouldn't have a biased opinion. Out of all the testimony (including the experts), the dogs alerting is the only thing that had me thinking there may have been a dead body in the trunk.

LE guys on tv said human decomp is one of those things that just mentioning it, you can smell and taste it. Interesting, they also said they would go home, shower and throw away the close they were wearing.

George testified that he only cracked the windows and drove home. The "cracked" the windows stuck out for me because he said he could smell it before he opened the car doors.

As far as the dogs, we only know they smelled something. We do not know what they smelled.

True story, my Mom's dog all of a sudden would not sleep with her. The dog insisted on sleeping with me. I even carried her into my Mom's room to sleep. She beat me back to my room. We spent three weeks talking about how strange the dog was acting. Then the dog stopped and went back to sleeping with her Mommy.

We did not know it at the time but the day the dog stopped, I had a colonoscopy to check for endometriosis of the colon. I had no symptoms of anything just pain. A cancerous polyp was removed. However, only the dog knew that all the cancer was removed that day. It took us another month and major surgery to find out that the little polyp was the cancer in my body.

So the dog knew what she was smelling, no one else did. Of course, now whenever she acts "strange" my doctors run every test you can imagine...LOL

 

[Chablis]

Yeah..the tape was staging the body to look like a kidnapping to either cover up the accident or murder, imo.

For me, NG is a rabid dinosaur on crack. I stopped watching her show once I heard her stating speculation as a FACT. As an attorney she should know that using the media to spew speculation as FACTS is a NO NO.

The media and entertainment industry LOVES to sensationalize and dramatize everything...dang even the weather channel send someone on location for a squal of storms causing people to panic and flee. And for what a little thunder and lightening. We get so desensitized that when something dangerous comes our way instead of running away we run to it too see it. It's sickening.

I honestly believe if this had played out so LOUDLY on the media/entertainment circuit that the ending would have been very different.

I agree with the staging to make this look like murder because she left her purse in the car at amscott? Who would do that? When verdict was announced, Nancy got right on to deliver the commentary for the verdict, it was fitting that is read the way it did. What she has done by bringing misinformation forward and riling the public, is criminal all in itself. And if anyone should be suing Nancy, its Casey Anthony. And especially if Nancy was showcasing and publicly supporting Ronald Cummings and he turns out to have killed his child. Its going to be bad. jmo

 

[eleni777]

I agree with the staging to make this look like murder because she left her purse in the car at amscott? Who would do that? When verdict was announced, Nancy got right on to deliver the commentary for the verdict, it was fitting that is read the way it did. What she has done by bringing misinformation forward and riling the public, is criminal all in itself. And if anyone should be suing Nancy, its Casey Anthony. And especially if Nancy was showcasing and publicly supporting Ronald Cummings and he turns out to have killed his child. Its going to be bad. jmo

Yep...the very people (the media) that were branding Casey a killer TOT MOM may just be part of the reason she is FREE.

 

[MissJames]

So far the only explanations to "help me understand" are complete speculation based on the Defense opening statement. They had nothing to back it up ,but I guess putting a lie out there is as good as putting out real evidence for some. Bad news for our Justice system IMO.
Anyone even notice that there was NO mention of molestion in the closing argument? That's because they had nothing and it was not supposed to be considered by the jurors.

In the meantime over 1,015,000 people have signed the petition for Caylee's Law ! :great: :woohoo:

 

[Chablis]

So far the only explanations to "help me understand" are complete speculation based on the Defense opening statement. They had nothing to back it up ,but I guess putting a lie out there is as good as putting out real evidence for some. Bad news for our Justice system IMO.
Anyone even notice that there was NO mention of molestion in the closing argument? That's because they had nothing and it was not supposed to be considered by the jurors.

In the grand scheme of it all, the State could not prove Casey killed her child with chloroform. The States case was based on air samples from a car that had been aired out and cleaned prior to being in police custody. Thats what is important in the grand scheme of things, and maybe George should have kept it zipped up and not slept with and took money from someone he met because of his grandaughter. How many times was Baez supposed to scream Did you molest your daughter? He asked once, and it was answered and it was up to the jury to decide his character.

 

[1Chump]

Just curious for people who believe the drowning theory, how do you discount Dr. G's statistic that 100% of the drowning cases she has come across have been reported? I imagine Dr. G has dealt with dozens, if not hundreds, of drownings as it is the #1 cause of death of children under 4 in Florida. So you believe that Casey is the the first person to not report an accidental death and to hide it so it looks like a murder? None of the other parents who had children that drowned came from dysfunctional families?

100% of the drowning cases that she knows about has been reported.
Of course, if she knows about them, they were reported.

 

[mrye4709]

I posted a scenerio a while back about why they would stage it that way...REMEMBER it's just a scenerio...

On June 15, 2008 Cindy takes Caylee to the Retirement home to visit Great Grandpa. (Cindy is fuming b/c she knows Casey has stolen more money)
They come home and go swimming (Per Cindy)
Casey comes home (from who knows where)
Casey wants to swim too but Cindy says "No, Caylee is it Tired" (per Cindy)
Cindy hands Caylee off to Casey (Per Cindy)
Cindy gets out of the pool and is so MAD at Casey she inadvertantly leaves the pool ladder up. (Cindy says she thought someone was swiming in there pool..and calls George b/c she notices the ladder up..this call was proven never to have happened)
Once Caylee is prepared for bed Cindy and Casey have a knock down drag out fight (Per Lee, inadmissible because it is hersay)
The pool ladder is up...
While this knock down drag out is going on NOBODY is paying attention to Caylee. She loves the pool and can climb the pool ladder on her own. (proven in court by photos)

THis part is purely my speculation of what could have happened:
Casey in a fit of anger leaves the house for the night.
George and Cindy think she's taken Caylee..
Cindy leaves for work the next morning.
Casey Comes home w/out Caylee.
George is watching his cooking show.
Casey asks where is Caylee.
George says I thought she was with you...
They find her around 1pm June 16, 2008 in the pool..

For me this would be the only reason that George would assist Casey in staging some type of cover up...the baby drowned the night before and all three of them had no idea..so she was floating in the pool for twelve hours or more..

the only reason I think this COULD be a possibility is because George gave this very detailed description of what Casey and Caylee were wearing when they left the house June 16,2008 -- can any of us remember what we were wearing a week ago, two weeks..a month? I can't... They find Caylee with different clothes then what George describes and the remains of a pullup. Baby's at that age usually can't control their bladders when in a deep sleep.

Then you have George's very ODD behavior..he goes straight to the police and blames Casey..He's very abrasive with everyone...His jailhouse speak towards Casey is WIERD. There are only a few instances when HE speaks..he lets Cindy speak because AT THIS POINT she really has no idea what happened and is truly freaking out...He uses Casey's ability to LIE LIE LIE to their advantage. Finally Cindy's behavior becomes WEIRD like George's because she is told..and she goes on her rabid dog offense of attacking everyone that is trying to find Caylee.. WHY? because they don't want her found.

there are only two other possible scenerios..
Casey was at home while Caylee was napping during the day and not paying attention. The pool ladder was forgotten up from the night before because of the arguement and chaos...Caylee wakes up and gets in the pool by herself. She panics and sets it up to look like a kidnapping. For me this is more plausible because of the computer use indicates that she is at the house while it would be a normal naptime for a child Caylee's age. No one comes forward to say she is a bad mother. NO ONE.
OR
Casey drowned Caylee in the pool and that's when the pool ladder is left up.. Casey left it up, that's why there is decomp hits in the backyard, she got out of the pool and placed Caylee on the ground.. and then she set it up too look like a kidnapping. Part of me tends not to believe this because in one of the taped Jailhouse call between CA, GA and KC..she says I used the shovel to move the pool ladder...WTF does that mean? In another one Casey says "Don't worry I didn't say anything" Again...WTF is she talking about?

All of this is just my opinion.

No need for anyone to buy her book, I think they will use this story.

Honestly, I don't think (I)CA would have stayed in jail for 3 yrs. She hated her parents, maybe she has a reason, maybe she doesn't. If this story was anywhere close to what happened, why wouldn't she make herself the victim and telll the story? I don't think she would have NOT told if this were the case.

 

[Chablis]

No need for anyone to buy her book, I think they will use this story.

Honestly, I don't think (I)CA would have stayed in jail for 3 yrs. She hated her parents, maybe she has a reason, maybe she doesn't. If this story was anywhere close to what happened, why wouldn't she make herself the victim and telll the story? I don't think she would have NOT told if this were the case.

But it was not Caseys choice to stay in jail for 3 years. By the time the body was found coupled with the suspicious placement of the body, she had to go to trial to get out.

 

[1Chump]

and IMO meaningless as there is no evidence that she drowned anyway.

Well then maybe you should be upset with Judge Perry who ruled that the defense had presented enough evidence of the drowning theory that they could argue it in their closing.

 

[mrye4709]

But it was not Caseys choice to stay in jail for 3 years. By the time the body was found coupled with the suspicious placement of the body, she had to go to trial to get out.

But, even before the body was found she could have. She could have told LE during the interview at Universal that story and they would have went after GA.

 

[Chablis]

But, even before the body was found she could have. She could have told LE during the interview at Universal that story and they would have went after GA.

But by then it had be 31 days the child had been dead. Maybe finding COD was not going to be an option? Like Dr G said, most pool deaths are reported.

 

[cluciano63]

But by then it had be 31 days the child had been dead. Maybe finding COD was not going to be an option? Like Dr G said, most pool deaths are reported.

She couldn't say anything at all once she had disposed of Caylee, as she would have had to lead LE to Caylee's body...so she had to keep quiet, even before Caylee was found and especially after. I think she only told JB about the "Accident" when it became clear this trial was ready to start. I think she thought it would all somehow go away, with all of the delays over the years...

 

[jandkmom]

IMO, the state's case was not based one one single piece of evidence. Anyone can take a single piece of evidence and find a "should have" and "could have". This case was about the massive amount of circumstantial, yes circumstantial, evidence that proved that KC killed Caylee. You can't pick some evidence to blame on one person and some evidence to blame on someone else without the facts to back it up. The facts in this case show that KC killed her daughter and then partied like Caylee never existed. I have no problem with different views on cases and debating, but to claim someone is innocent of their killing their child when all the evidence points back to her is just unimaginable to me. Yes, some of the evidence GA came in contact with and some of the evidence RK came in contact with, and some of the evidence CA came in contact with, but all of the evidence KC cam in contact with. GA, CA and RK were searching for Caylee, and KC was not. To accuse people who were clearly looking for Caylee is unfair. There is no reason for RK to have moved her body...no reason if Caylee's death was an accident for GA to coverup....no reason if Caylee accidentally drowned for KC to go rent videos, sleep with her boyfriend of two months, and party like she had no worries. Yes this case involves emotion. A little girl died.