Zoe Bogart
Let's not ask for the Moon, we have the Stars
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9:00 judge enters, jury enters
George and Cindy in court today
9:03:50 witness sworn in, Dr. Neal Haskell, Professor Forensic Science and Biology, and consultant, entomologist, expert witness
JA direct
entomology study of insects
(lots of bug talk, which I missed, computer kept dropping sections)
bugs in paper towels, some in white plastic bag
explained the phrases of decomposition and bugs, which ones arrive and when, flies lay eggs, ford flies are tiny, gnat-sized flies which arrive later in decomposition
a body 3, 4, 5 days in heat in car time to trap ford flies
JA asking about heat bugs are cold-blooded, environmental temperature dependent, heat speeds up decomp process
Dr. Haskell came to Florida Dec 16th, 2008 after remains were found, to check the truck, spoke to manager of the of impound yard, examined remains, specimens from scene and from medical examiners office
9:36:10 decomp & insects are temperature dependant species and groups expected at advanced stage of decomp
body initially placed elsewhere, body possibly out in the woods many, many months, since June or early July, deposited as decomposing body not skeleton, partially decomposed with soft tissue
body not in trunk very long, 3 to 5 days
Casey listening, watching witness, with a scowl on her face during this portion of the testimony
9:44 JB cross asking about 1st contact with Dr. Vass about this case, came up when talking about another case, has known Dr. Vass 25 years since they were at the Body Farm in Tennessee, doesnt know how OCSO got his name
asking about coffin flies
1st received trash bag from trunk of car, ford flies gnat-size flies, Mr. Michael Vincent thought they looked like fruit flies, Witness says flies were found in trash, more trash vs. garbage talk
9:49 - Casey laughing at the trash talk and she kept laughing and smiling through most of the testimony
JB brought out his easel with the BIG tablet began drawing on it
Witness saying majority of ford? Flies on paper towels, decomp fluids on towels
Can extract human DNA from certain bugs, like mosquitoes
Doesnt know which tests Dr. Vass did
Many flies, can even be found in some houses on window sills
found one fly leg
(missed a great portion of this testimony because live feed kept stalling)
filters, vacuum cleaners found a few more insects from decomp fluids, 3 years later?
10:03 - Post mortem interval, how long person deceased, how long insects there
on 16 July 2008 live insects could have been traced to a range of time, not a specific day
contacted in Sept 2008 didnt check for flies before then ?
Dec 20008, in witness 30 years experience, the Suburban crime area was the best cleared scene hes ever been to, best scene collection, OCSO and FBI were there
Body began decomposing elsewhere not in woods
(I had trouble hearing JBs questions because he wasnt near microphone)
10:15:15 JB crossing arms after JAs objection sustained
asking about water washing away blow? Fly evidence
JA objects sustained
Witness wrote 3 reports, two were signed off on 22 Sept 2009, these were the reports from Sept 2008 & Dec 2008
10:20 - JB asking witness how much he is being paid for his services: $20,000 $23,000
hasnt been paid by Baez for the deposition
$400 for testimony, $150 travel & other
10:21:44 JA re-direct
difference between trash and garbage?
Garbage consists of decomposing plant, organic materials
Trash is non-organic stuff, paper, boxes, etc.
Significant difference bugs go to organic materials
In the Pontiacs trunk was trash, non-foodstuff, flies on paper towels, some flies loose in bag, flies picked up by towels when absorbing decomposing fluids, no plant decomp in bag, flies at scene (woods) and in trunk
Body 3 or 4 days decomposing in 1st location
10:29 JB re-cross
showing two pictures of trash
did witness inspect trunk to check for access? No.
10:32:03 JA shows picture do you see? No (I missed part of this)
JB asks with picture, extent of decomposition found needs a lot of garbage
10:34 Recess until 10:50
10:50 judge enters
10:51 jury enters
10:52:05 witness, Jennifer Welch (Welsh?), CSI
LDB questions again, photos of Suburban Drive, on scene for 10 days before its releasee, about 50+ people were at the scene searching/working
Set up baseline, search lanes, grid, items flagged & photographed
Area of dense vegetation, fallen palmetto trunks, roots, larger roots, difficult to walk on surface, vegetation even after clearing, difficult to maneuver
picture near the street outside of tape machete and sheaths on grassy area near roadway, issued to CSI, may belong to OCSO
10:58:55 picture surface after clearing, palmetto trunks & evidence flag indicating item of evidence
pic flag indicates bone
11:04 390 pieces of evidence found, bottles, black plastic bag, duct tape, duct tape near area of skull
11:07 duct tape shown to witness (JB standing right there hovering)
11:13:35 LDB ends direct
11:14:05 JB cross
picture of woods & street edge (same machete pic), witness guesses about 10 feet from edge of street to wooded area across the grass
remains area 19 feet 8 inches south of Suburban Dr. Ronald Murdock measured
CM crosses courtroom with a measuring device, witness, JB measuring out 19 ft 8 onches on courtroom floor toward defense table
11:20 JB showing pics of stones
JB ends cross
No re-direct
Witness excessed
Recess until 11:30
11:34:17 judge calls court to order, asks for jury to enter
11:35:05 jury seated
11:35:42 witness Ronald Murdock sworn in, forensic supervisor OCSO, made diagram of the scene on his laptop computer
11:40 HHJP says wait for train to pass
bones in area, shows diagram on his laptop, JB says he only sees one diagram on screen, LDB shows him diagram
circled areas, densely populated with bones, hed have to refer to his report to say where each bone was located
11:47 19 feet from street to Area A
11:48:35 duct tape, evidence # D-1 Henkel, D-2 no markings, D-3 no markings
11:51 picture showing items from Anthony residence in shed
11:52:40 picture items in Anthony shed # 2, item collected, red metal gas can
LDB handed package to Murdock
11:56:18 picture of stickers found in Anthony residence on Hopespring Drive
JB, May we approach
Sidebar # 8963 the jury must love it
12:07:36 end of sidebar
LDB continues shows picture of Caseys bedroom, second picture of Caseys bedroom taken Dec 2008
JB objects twice claiming it had been seven months since Casey was in that room!!!!
(no, JB, it had only been two months since Casey was in that room, Oct 14 Dec 11 two months)
Objections overruled
Showing picture of Caylees bedroom of Dec 11th, evening, 2008
12:13:41 LDB hands item # K-E to witness, Winnie the Pooh bedding from Caylees room, K-F Winnie the Pooh items from Caylees dresser
12:17:40 picture of garage items fon shelf, in plastic bags
12:18:50 canvass laundry bag
12:20:42 LDB handing Murdock K-D package, only recognizes outside sticker, opens item yes, recognize as K-D
12:23:05 items KA, KC, KB, JY, JX
- black bag from garage inside suitcase
- black garbage bag with yellow handles from garage inside cooler
- black garbage from shelf of garage
- black bag with yellow handles from shed
- 2 black bags yellow handles from dog crate
12:29:16 picture, laundry bag inside black bag found together in same evidence bag
12:30:54 JB questions re: duct tape shown earlier was outside of Area A, skull was distance of 6.27 feet from strip of duct tape which was shown in picture
JB stands next to witness to see his laptop
Distinctive duct tape, was Henkel tape found in garage, attic, anything wrapped with duct tape, Henkel tape on gas can, tape only found on gas can
12:37 showing pic of shed, no items had Henkel tape, unsure if shed was locked, asking about black garbage bag from shed, searched vehicles, no duct tape found there
12:40 witness excused
12:41 Gerald Johnston, land surveyor, went to Suburban Drive in 2008, took photos and measurements, LDB direct
12:48:28 LDB ends direct, JB no cross, witness excused
end of todays evidence presentation
12:49:50 recess until 9:00 AM Monday, jury exits
Please pardon my typos, I'm sure there are many in my postings in this thread.
George and Cindy in court today
9:03:50 witness sworn in, Dr. Neal Haskell, Professor Forensic Science and Biology, and consultant, entomologist, expert witness
JA direct
entomology study of insects
(lots of bug talk, which I missed, computer kept dropping sections)
bugs in paper towels, some in white plastic bag
explained the phrases of decomposition and bugs, which ones arrive and when, flies lay eggs, ford flies are tiny, gnat-sized flies which arrive later in decomposition
a body 3, 4, 5 days in heat in car time to trap ford flies
JA asking about heat bugs are cold-blooded, environmental temperature dependent, heat speeds up decomp process
Dr. Haskell came to Florida Dec 16th, 2008 after remains were found, to check the truck, spoke to manager of the of impound yard, examined remains, specimens from scene and from medical examiners office
9:36:10 decomp & insects are temperature dependant species and groups expected at advanced stage of decomp
body initially placed elsewhere, body possibly out in the woods many, many months, since June or early July, deposited as decomposing body not skeleton, partially decomposed with soft tissue
body not in trunk very long, 3 to 5 days
Casey listening, watching witness, with a scowl on her face during this portion of the testimony
9:44 JB cross asking about 1st contact with Dr. Vass about this case, came up when talking about another case, has known Dr. Vass 25 years since they were at the Body Farm in Tennessee, doesnt know how OCSO got his name
asking about coffin flies
1st received trash bag from trunk of car, ford flies gnat-size flies, Mr. Michael Vincent thought they looked like fruit flies, Witness says flies were found in trash, more trash vs. garbage talk
9:49 - Casey laughing at the trash talk and she kept laughing and smiling through most of the testimony
JB brought out his easel with the BIG tablet began drawing on it
Witness saying majority of ford? Flies on paper towels, decomp fluids on towels
Can extract human DNA from certain bugs, like mosquitoes
Doesnt know which tests Dr. Vass did
Many flies, can even be found in some houses on window sills
found one fly leg
(missed a great portion of this testimony because live feed kept stalling)
filters, vacuum cleaners found a few more insects from decomp fluids, 3 years later?
10:03 - Post mortem interval, how long person deceased, how long insects there
on 16 July 2008 live insects could have been traced to a range of time, not a specific day
contacted in Sept 2008 didnt check for flies before then ?
Dec 20008, in witness 30 years experience, the Suburban crime area was the best cleared scene hes ever been to, best scene collection, OCSO and FBI were there
Body began decomposing elsewhere not in woods
(I had trouble hearing JBs questions because he wasnt near microphone)
10:15:15 JB crossing arms after JAs objection sustained
asking about water washing away blow? Fly evidence
JA objects sustained
Witness wrote 3 reports, two were signed off on 22 Sept 2009, these were the reports from Sept 2008 & Dec 2008
10:20 - JB asking witness how much he is being paid for his services: $20,000 $23,000
hasnt been paid by Baez for the deposition
$400 for testimony, $150 travel & other
10:21:44 JA re-direct
difference between trash and garbage?
Garbage consists of decomposing plant, organic materials
Trash is non-organic stuff, paper, boxes, etc.
Significant difference bugs go to organic materials
In the Pontiacs trunk was trash, non-foodstuff, flies on paper towels, some flies loose in bag, flies picked up by towels when absorbing decomposing fluids, no plant decomp in bag, flies at scene (woods) and in trunk
Body 3 or 4 days decomposing in 1st location
10:29 JB re-cross
showing two pictures of trash
did witness inspect trunk to check for access? No.
10:32:03 JA shows picture do you see? No (I missed part of this)
JB asks with picture, extent of decomposition found needs a lot of garbage
10:34 Recess until 10:50
10:50 judge enters
10:51 jury enters
10:52:05 witness, Jennifer Welch (Welsh?), CSI
LDB questions again, photos of Suburban Drive, on scene for 10 days before its releasee, about 50+ people were at the scene searching/working
Set up baseline, search lanes, grid, items flagged & photographed
Area of dense vegetation, fallen palmetto trunks, roots, larger roots, difficult to walk on surface, vegetation even after clearing, difficult to maneuver
picture near the street outside of tape machete and sheaths on grassy area near roadway, issued to CSI, may belong to OCSO
10:58:55 picture surface after clearing, palmetto trunks & evidence flag indicating item of evidence
pic flag indicates bone
11:04 390 pieces of evidence found, bottles, black plastic bag, duct tape, duct tape near area of skull
11:07 duct tape shown to witness (JB standing right there hovering)
11:13:35 LDB ends direct
11:14:05 JB cross
picture of woods & street edge (same machete pic), witness guesses about 10 feet from edge of street to wooded area across the grass
remains area 19 feet 8 inches south of Suburban Dr. Ronald Murdock measured
CM crosses courtroom with a measuring device, witness, JB measuring out 19 ft 8 onches on courtroom floor toward defense table
11:20 JB showing pics of stones
JB ends cross
No re-direct
Witness excessed
Recess until 11:30
11:34:17 judge calls court to order, asks for jury to enter
11:35:05 jury seated
11:35:42 witness Ronald Murdock sworn in, forensic supervisor OCSO, made diagram of the scene on his laptop computer
11:40 HHJP says wait for train to pass
bones in area, shows diagram on his laptop, JB says he only sees one diagram on screen, LDB shows him diagram
circled areas, densely populated with bones, hed have to refer to his report to say where each bone was located
11:47 19 feet from street to Area A
11:48:35 duct tape, evidence # D-1 Henkel, D-2 no markings, D-3 no markings
11:51 picture showing items from Anthony residence in shed
11:52:40 picture items in Anthony shed # 2, item collected, red metal gas can
LDB handed package to Murdock
11:56:18 picture of stickers found in Anthony residence on Hopespring Drive
JB, May we approach
Sidebar # 8963 the jury must love it
12:07:36 end of sidebar
LDB continues shows picture of Caseys bedroom, second picture of Caseys bedroom taken Dec 2008
JB objects twice claiming it had been seven months since Casey was in that room!!!!
(no, JB, it had only been two months since Casey was in that room, Oct 14 Dec 11 two months)
Objections overruled
Showing picture of Caylees bedroom of Dec 11th, evening, 2008
12:13:41 LDB hands item # K-E to witness, Winnie the Pooh bedding from Caylees room, K-F Winnie the Pooh items from Caylees dresser
12:17:40 picture of garage items fon shelf, in plastic bags
12:18:50 canvass laundry bag
12:20:42 LDB handing Murdock K-D package, only recognizes outside sticker, opens item yes, recognize as K-D
12:23:05 items KA, KC, KB, JY, JX
- black bag from garage inside suitcase
- black garbage bag with yellow handles from garage inside cooler
- black garbage from shelf of garage
- black bag with yellow handles from shed
- 2 black bags yellow handles from dog crate
12:29:16 picture, laundry bag inside black bag found together in same evidence bag
12:30:54 JB questions re: duct tape shown earlier was outside of Area A, skull was distance of 6.27 feet from strip of duct tape which was shown in picture
JB stands next to witness to see his laptop
Distinctive duct tape, was Henkel tape found in garage, attic, anything wrapped with duct tape, Henkel tape on gas can, tape only found on gas can
12:37 showing pic of shed, no items had Henkel tape, unsure if shed was locked, asking about black garbage bag from shed, searched vehicles, no duct tape found there
12:40 witness excused
12:41 Gerald Johnston, land surveyor, went to Suburban Drive in 2008, took photos and measurements, LDB direct
12:48:28 LDB ends direct, JB no cross, witness excused
end of todays evidence presentation
12:49:50 recess until 9:00 AM Monday, jury exits
Please pardon my typos, I'm sure there are many in my postings in this thread.