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speculation about motive still rife
speculation about motive still rife
France - 5 shot, 4 dead in French Alps, may have int'l ramifications, 2012 #2
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22...-family-British-father-murdered-Alps-massacre.
html[/url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9638566/Claims-emerge-Alps-murder-victim-may-have-had-access-to-part-of-Saddam-Husseins-fortune.html
This latest Daily Mail story (28th Oct.2012) suggests the deceased father of the murdered man received £860,000 (approx. $650,000) from Sadaam Hussein and deals primarily with this rumour/information and the implications for potential motive. The suggestion is that the German Intelligence Service has uncovered the link between money in a Swiss bank account, that originally came from the Husseins, and the family. The remaining family members dismiss all this as ridiculous.
It also gives an outline of the suggested order of events with the new suggestion that the body of the cyclist showed signs of having been hit by the family's car as they tried to escape. It describes the gun as being from the 1920's/1930's and says the gunman is likely to have hit the child because he ran out of ammunition. It also suggests he was interrupted while hitting the child and hence did not end up killing her.
The order of events all sounds reasonable except, on a purely personal level, I cannot imagine locking myself in a car and trying to drive away from my child and leaving her with a gunman. She was described as very small so I would have expected the father to be able to carry her to the car even if he were in a panic or even hurt. Perhaps the gunman was preventing the child reaching her father and the father just thought of getting the rest of the family out of there and going for help. We know there was no mobile phone reception so no other way of alerting someone to their plight. Perhaps the child did run for the car but was shot in the shoulder at that point (shoulder wound as described in earlier reports).
However I still struggle with the idea of the child being left outside the car and trying to imagine the sequence of events that led to such a drastic and heart rending thing. I suppose the exact circumstances of that decision, if it were indeed made by the father, can't really be known and it sounds as if events were unfolding very rapidly.
Thank you to everyone for their welcome messages and also for the very interesting posts everyone has made.
html[/url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9638566/Claims-emerge-Alps-murder-victim-may-have-had-access-to-part-of-Saddam-Husseins-fortune.html
This latest Daily Mail story (28th Oct.2012) suggests the deceased father of the murdered man received £860,000 (approx. $650,000) from Sadaam Hussein and deals primarily with this rumour/information and the implications for potential motive. The suggestion is that the German Intelligence Service has uncovered the link between money in a Swiss bank account, that originally came from the Husseins, and the family. The remaining family members dismiss all this as ridiculous.
It also gives an outline of the suggested order of events with the new suggestion that the body of the cyclist showed signs of having been hit by the family's car as they tried to escape. It describes the gun as being from the 1920's/1930's and says the gunman is likely to have hit the child because he ran out of ammunition. It also suggests he was interrupted while hitting the child and hence did not end up killing her.
The order of events all sounds reasonable except, on a purely personal level, I cannot imagine locking myself in a car and trying to drive away from my child and leaving her with a gunman. She was described as very small so I would have expected the father to be able to carry her to the car even if he were in a panic or even hurt. Perhaps the gunman was preventing the child reaching her father and the father just thought of getting the rest of the family out of there and going for help. We know there was no mobile phone reception so no other way of alerting someone to their plight. Perhaps the child did run for the car but was shot in the shoulder at that point (shoulder wound as described in earlier reports).
However I still struggle with the idea of the child being left outside the car and trying to imagine the sequence of events that led to such a drastic and heart rending thing. I suppose the exact circumstances of that decision, if it were indeed made by the father, can't really be known and it sounds as if events were unfolding very rapidly.
Thank you to everyone for their welcome messages and also for the very interesting posts everyone has made.
That's a thought especially as if the cyclist shows signs of having been hit by the family car it does suggest that the car was moving forward at some point and was thrown into reverse afterwards, maybe because the cyclist had been hit.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...eport-leaked-to-french-newspaper-8229815.html
says the cyclist was hit by the car, the gun used was an old gun, and it appears to be less of a professional hit than first thought if the leaked reports are to be beleived
says the cyclist was hit by the car, the gun used was an old gun, and it appears to be less of a professional hit than first thought if the leaked reports are to be beleived
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Regarding my previous post pertaining to the many Iraqi's in Surrey, some who are known to be high ranking members of the Ba'ath Party and who remained loyal to Saddam until the day of his execution, the newspapers LE MONDE and THE MIRROR are now reporting of Al-Hilli's ties to Saddam (see link from The Mirror below.)
Interesting fact: have you noticed how a little bit of information comes out here and there, information about everything and nothing whatsoever to do with the cyclist Sulvain Mollier. (My analytical mind is on a field trip over this puzzling case.). And I am certain that Al-Hilli and Sulvain Mollier knew of one another beforehand. Otherwise it would be too much of a coincident that two men with intimate and intricate knowledge of nuclear power and satellite imaging would be at an isolated place in the middle if nowhere.
Source:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-tyrant-saddam-1404064
October 28, 2012
French Alps shooting: 'Tyrant Saddam Hussein had link to massacre family'
The father of murdered Saad al-Hilli was given about £800,000 by the ex-Iraqi dictator, according to Le Monde.
A relative of the British family massacred in the Alps may have had links to Saddam Hussein, a French newspaper has claimed.
The father of murdered Saad al-Hilli was given about £800,000 by the ex-Iraqi dictator, according to Le Monde.
It says evidence was uncovered by the German Secret Service.
Mr al-Hilli, 50, from Surrey, his wife and her mother were shot near Lake Annecy last month.
French cyclist Sylvain Mollier, 45, was also killed, and cops are probing if he or the family was the target.
The German spies believe Saddam deposited the cash in a Swiss bank account in the name of al-Hilli's father, Kadhim.
The tyrant is thought to have made the payment as he hid £600 million around the world before his death in 2003.
Le Monde also reported that Mr al-Hilli made a desperate bid to drive his family to safety under a hail of bullets, but his car got stuck on a verge and the gunman moved in to finish them off at close range.
Interesting fact: have you noticed how a little bit of information comes out here and there, information about everything and nothing whatsoever to do with the cyclist Sulvain Mollier. (My analytical mind is on a field trip over this puzzling case.). And I am certain that Al-Hilli and Sulvain Mollier knew of one another beforehand. Otherwise it would be too much of a coincident that two men with intimate and intricate knowledge of nuclear power and satellite imaging would be at an isolated place in the middle if nowhere.
Source:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-tyrant-saddam-1404064
October 28, 2012
French Alps shooting: 'Tyrant Saddam Hussein had link to massacre family'
The father of murdered Saad al-Hilli was given about £800,000 by the ex-Iraqi dictator, according to Le Monde.
A relative of the British family massacred in the Alps may have had links to Saddam Hussein, a French newspaper has claimed.
The father of murdered Saad al-Hilli was given about £800,000 by the ex-Iraqi dictator, according to Le Monde.
It says evidence was uncovered by the German Secret Service.
Mr al-Hilli, 50, from Surrey, his wife and her mother were shot near Lake Annecy last month.
French cyclist Sylvain Mollier, 45, was also killed, and cops are probing if he or the family was the target.
The German spies believe Saddam deposited the cash in a Swiss bank account in the name of al-Hilli's father, Kadhim.
The tyrant is thought to have made the payment as he hid £600 million around the world before his death in 2003.
Le Monde also reported that Mr al-Hilli made a desperate bid to drive his family to safety under a hail of bullets, but his car got stuck on a verge and the gunman moved in to finish them off at close range.
If somebody with the gun is after you-if you stay they will kill you-if you run you get a chance to try and save the rest of your family-and possibly the daughter later on.
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Is there a public photo of Saad Al-Hilli's late father? Maybe he is one of Saddam's loyal supporters who are featured in this video from 1983 with Donald Rumsfield. Since Rumsfield visited Baghdad on behalf of Ronald Reagan it is likely that the Reagan Presidential Library has unclassified documents listing each of the individuals seen in ths clip. It may be long shot to see if one of them was Al-Hilli Sr from Surrey, UK, or if ANY of the Iraqis in this video reside in Surrey, UK. I think there is a link
http://youtu.be/zaP7ZrmkcuU
http://youtu.be/zaP7ZrmkcuU
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lli-mother-pleaded-with-daughter-to-hide.html
both girls are now revealing information if these new leaks are correct
both girls are now revealing information if these new leaks are correct
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-British-family-thats-baffling-police.html
Does this man hold the key to Alps massacre? First picture of the French cyclist shot seven times BEFORE British family were gunned down
It has also emerged that he was shot seven times, more than any of the other victims, who were each shot twice.
Does this man hold the key to Alps massacre? First picture of the French cyclist shot seven times BEFORE British family were gunned down
It has also emerged that he was shot seven times, more than any of the other victims, who were each shot twice.
They removed the photo of him this morning. Whether that's because it wasn't te right Mollier, or because of te continued secrecy to do with this man God knows.
They edited the article witin 30 minutes of publishing it too. The headline is now "is this the man who is key"? , or words to that effect.
BTW there's a thread on the David Icke boards. Saad's father's brother was a Hashim Al Hilli. He was a high ranking Iraqi diplomat, posted to the Iraq embassy in London and then the one in Washington USA too between 1958 and 1971.
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A bit more information of the Iraqi avenue of the investigation is in a new article in the Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Alps-linked-Saddams-15m-oil-food-fraud.html
British engineer murdered in French Alps 'linked to Saddam's £15m oil-for-food fraud'
By IAN GALLAGHER
PUBLISHED: 17:59 EST, 3 November 2012 | UPDATED: 18:01 EST, 3 November 2012
The British engineer murdered in the French Alps has been linked to a secret trust thought to contain up to £15 million in illegal kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime.
It was set up in the tax haven of Liechtenstein and was one of hundreds the Iraqi tyrant and his cronies used worldwide to hide money skimmed from the UN oil-for-food programme, according to intelligence sources.
Emails and mobile phone calls intercepted by Swiss intelligence agency FIS and passed to their German counterparts suggest that Saad Al-Hilli may have been about to access the money, or part of it, shortly before he was killed.
Mr Al-Hilli, 50, from Surrey, his wife Iqbal, 47, his mother-in-law and a French cyclist were shot dead in a lay-by near Lake Annecy in eastern France in September.
French police have been left baffled by the slaughter, in which Mr Al-Hilli's seven-year-old daughter Zainab was badly injured and her four-year-old sister Zeena was traumatised.
Located between Switzerland and Austria, the tiny principality of Liechtenstein is a four-hour drive from where the Al-Hilli family were staying.
British engineer murdered in French Alps 'linked to Saddam's £15m oil-for-food fraud'
SAS 'beat Iraqi policemen with rifles in hunt for Red Caps killers'... and here is their commander disguised as one of the dead men's colleagues to find the mob behind the massacre
Sources told The Mail on Sunday that the emails suggested Iraqi-born Mr Al-Hilli – who has also been linked to a Swiss account containing £840,000 – was about to receive further instructions from Baghdad. However, either they did not materialise or were not intercepted.
While sketchy, the claims raise questions about whether the killers knew or suspected Mr Al-Hilli had access to large deposits of cash.
There have been reports that his late father, Kadhim, was once close to Saddam's Ba'ath Party but fell foul of the tyrant in the Seventies, and fled Iraq for Britain. Alternatively, it has been suggested this was a smokescreen and that Kadhim's true role was to manage secret accounts for the regime.
The oil-for-food programme was supposed to allow Iraq to buy food and other essential supplies with the proceeds of regulated oil sales.
US investigators later discovered that Saddam's regime made billions of pounds from selling oil to neighbouring states, and through kickbacks and illegal surcharges.
David Aufhauser, former counsel to the US Treasury, who led the global hunt for Saddam's assets until 2004, said yesterday: ‘Billions were unaccounted for and most of it was hidden abroad.'
German investigators have told French intelligence services about the Liechtenstein trust.
Last week it was claimed that Mr Al-Hilli had access to a Geneva account in the name of his father.
Annecy prosecutor Eric Maillaud confirmed the Al-Hillis' financial affairs and Iraq connections were at the top of investigators' agenda.
But he said he knew ‘absolutely nothing' about any links with Liechtenstein, and denied German or Swiss intelligence had provided important information.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Alps-linked-Saddams-15m-oil-food-fraud.html
British engineer murdered in French Alps 'linked to Saddam's £15m oil-for-food fraud'
By IAN GALLAGHER
PUBLISHED: 17:59 EST, 3 November 2012 | UPDATED: 18:01 EST, 3 November 2012
The British engineer murdered in the French Alps has been linked to a secret trust thought to contain up to £15 million in illegal kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime.
It was set up in the tax haven of Liechtenstein and was one of hundreds the Iraqi tyrant and his cronies used worldwide to hide money skimmed from the UN oil-for-food programme, according to intelligence sources.
Emails and mobile phone calls intercepted by Swiss intelligence agency FIS and passed to their German counterparts suggest that Saad Al-Hilli may have been about to access the money, or part of it, shortly before he was killed.
Mr Al-Hilli, 50, from Surrey, his wife Iqbal, 47, his mother-in-law and a French cyclist were shot dead in a lay-by near Lake Annecy in eastern France in September.
French police have been left baffled by the slaughter, in which Mr Al-Hilli's seven-year-old daughter Zainab was badly injured and her four-year-old sister Zeena was traumatised.
Located between Switzerland and Austria, the tiny principality of Liechtenstein is a four-hour drive from where the Al-Hilli family were staying.
British engineer murdered in French Alps 'linked to Saddam's £15m oil-for-food fraud'
SAS 'beat Iraqi policemen with rifles in hunt for Red Caps killers'... and here is their commander disguised as one of the dead men's colleagues to find the mob behind the massacre
Sources told The Mail on Sunday that the emails suggested Iraqi-born Mr Al-Hilli – who has also been linked to a Swiss account containing £840,000 – was about to receive further instructions from Baghdad. However, either they did not materialise or were not intercepted.
While sketchy, the claims raise questions about whether the killers knew or suspected Mr Al-Hilli had access to large deposits of cash.
There have been reports that his late father, Kadhim, was once close to Saddam's Ba'ath Party but fell foul of the tyrant in the Seventies, and fled Iraq for Britain. Alternatively, it has been suggested this was a smokescreen and that Kadhim's true role was to manage secret accounts for the regime.
The oil-for-food programme was supposed to allow Iraq to buy food and other essential supplies with the proceeds of regulated oil sales.
US investigators later discovered that Saddam's regime made billions of pounds from selling oil to neighbouring states, and through kickbacks and illegal surcharges.
David Aufhauser, former counsel to the US Treasury, who led the global hunt for Saddam's assets until 2004, said yesterday: ‘Billions were unaccounted for and most of it was hidden abroad.'
German investigators have told French intelligence services about the Liechtenstein trust.
Last week it was claimed that Mr Al-Hilli had access to a Geneva account in the name of his father.
Annecy prosecutor Eric Maillaud confirmed the Al-Hillis' financial affairs and Iraq connections were at the top of investigators' agenda.
But he said he knew ‘absolutely nothing' about any links with Liechtenstein, and denied German or Swiss intelligence had provided important information.
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French Alps shootings: Salford man quizzed over alleged fraud (Guardian)
Police question Briton on suspicion of trying to access bank
accounts of Saad al-Hilli, the engineer murdered in France
Police question Briton on suspicion of trying to access bank
accounts of Saad al-Hilli, the engineer murdered in France
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20373970
Report today from the BBC. Basically still no breakthrough. The French police are still saying:
1. the gun was an old Luger
2. the daughter and father were out of the car, the rest of the family inside it when the shooting started.
New suggestions from the police seem to be:
the man appeared from the woodland behind them and began shooting
the father ran for the car
the cyclist was very close at this stage ie was immediately part of the incident
the father got in the car and undertook a fast 'u turn' probably running over the cyclist as he did so (unclear whether they mean ran over the cyclist's body on the ground. I assume they do mean this)
the car axle stuck in the bank
the killer advanced and shot the car's inhabitants
The police are also now saying that this did not look like a professional hit and they are considering the 'lone madman' theory.
Report today from the BBC. Basically still no breakthrough. The French police are still saying:
1. the gun was an old Luger
2. the daughter and father were out of the car, the rest of the family inside it when the shooting started.
New suggestions from the police seem to be:
the man appeared from the woodland behind them and began shooting
the father ran for the car
the cyclist was very close at this stage ie was immediately part of the incident
the father got in the car and undertook a fast 'u turn' probably running over the cyclist as he did so (unclear whether they mean ran over the cyclist's body on the ground. I assume they do mean this)
the car axle stuck in the bank
the killer advanced and shot the car's inhabitants
The police are also now saying that this did not look like a professional hit and they are considering the 'lone madman' theory.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ller-has-killed-before-say-investigators.html
THE gunman who blasted a British family in the French Alps "has killed before" investigators say.
Mr Maillaud, who is leading the case, told the BBC: “Without doubt we are looking for someone who has killed before, someone who puts no value on human life.
“We are not sure whether that means it’s a professional hit but if it was done on a contract it was very badly done.
“We are looking for unbalanced people - capable of extreme violence,” he added.
In the interview, Mr Maillaud all but rejected recent speculation that Mr Mollier, who worked in the nuclear industry, was the killer’s main target.
“We are 99 per cent sure he was nothing to do with it,” he said.
THE gunman who blasted a British family in the French Alps "has killed before" investigators say.
Mr Maillaud, who is leading the case, told the BBC: “Without doubt we are looking for someone who has killed before, someone who puts no value on human life.
“We are not sure whether that means it’s a professional hit but if it was done on a contract it was very badly done.
“We are looking for unbalanced people - capable of extreme violence,” he added.
In the interview, Mr Maillaud all but rejected recent speculation that Mr Mollier, who worked in the nuclear industry, was the killer’s main target.
“We are 99 per cent sure he was nothing to do with it,” he said.
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How the Daily Mail's playing this one:
British family murdered in French Alps massacre 'were victims of deranged gunman in random killing'
British family murdered in French Alps massacre 'were victims of deranged gunman in random killing'
The comments are interesting.Many people mentioning a cover up!