GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

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Just finding some of the confusing evolving information a bit difficult to wade through. With instant news a lot of misinformation comes out and that is normal I guess.

Color me cynical cinnamon, but I don't think instant news is the root cause of the apparent discrepancies.

Rather, my bet is the root cause is the sudden and dramatic shift from the circumstances prior to GNBI involvement to the new circumstances.

The prior circumstances had the death go AA was a closed matter and apparently justified.

The new circumstances feature felony murder charges, the possibility of criminal charges against others, and a ton of very bad publicity

These sudden new circumstances have led to some individuals re casting their roles and / or putting new spins on say:

- What it means to know somebody, What it means to encourage or support a proposed action, What it means to participate in an action etc.
 
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I don’t think the video shows he went around the side of the house. It shows him entering, then re-entering to the left, then exiting off to the right. Looking at the overhead view and not knowing the current state of construction I don’t think it’s possible to conclude whether he was ever around the back or not. But I also don’t think that matters at all.

ETA: After all of these pics, I’ve got to admit walking around this house just to take a look sure looks temping. I absolutely love the layout.
I thought I saw him walk out of the garage, go around to the left, and then come out on the right side. I can't find the video now.

Anyway, he could have walked through the house and gone out through the back of the house, since it probably was not enclosed. I doubt the cameras cover the entire house.

I don't think it matters either, since the homeowner said that he viewed the videos and never saw anyone take anything from the house. There's not much to steal from an empty home under construction.

To me it looks like he was looking around out of curiosity. I think a neighbor said that other people had looked around on the property, too. I don't think it's unusual.

I've looked around several homes under construction and no-one has ever chased me off the property, let alone attempted to make a citizens arrest.

Imo
 
The father, G McMichaels, was a retired police officer (with no arrest powers during his last five years on the job, apparently) but I don't think Travis, his son, ever worked in LE.

So yes, they were both citizens attempting to make a citizens arrest after seeing Arbery trespassing in an open home under construction. They believed he was responsible for burglaries in the area although there is no evidence of that as far as we know. There was only one police report of a burglary and I believe it was about seven weeks before the murder.
Imo
MOO One thing.
Neither M saw him trespass. If they knew he trespassed it seems Perez must have called them.
Otherwise, I think this is what happened, GM saw AA run by and called his son to get a gun to chase in his own words "the man you saw at the English place."
 
MOO One thing.
Neither M saw him trespass. If they knew he trespassed it seems Perez must have called them.
Otherwise, I think this is what happened, GM saw AA run by and called his son to get a gun to chase in his own words "the man you saw at the English place."
Yes, you keep reminding me and I keep forgetting. They didn't physically see him trespassing that day. They were alerted that he was there and saw him running down the road.
 
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IIRC she also was told he was shot during a burglary - it's likely in the media thread for him (thanks @sds71 for all your MSM links - I will be busy updating)
GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, Brunswick, 23 Feb 2020 *MEDIA, MAPS &TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*
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going to look for it now. If she was told that then I could see them denying her the footage as it would be evidence of a real crime.
JMO
ETA:
Marcus Arbery said his son, who aspired to be a boxer, was athletic and known for taking daily jogs. Ahmaud Arbery lived in Brunswick, one town over from Satilla Hills, where the McMichaels live.

"He took his body very seriously, always ran and had pride in everything he did," said Marcus Arbery. "It cuts me deeply how his life was taken. I would have preferred them to come and take my life instead."

Cooper said when police told her that her youngest son was shot and killed inside a home during a burglary she had no reason to question it "because it was authority talking."
Thank You. That makes sense, even though there was no burglary.
 
Atlanta-based criminal defense attorneys Robert G. “Bob” Rubin and Jason B. Sheffield announced Thursday morning that they will represent Glynn County resident Travis McMichael, who is accused of fatally shooting the unarmed Ahmaud Arbery on a neighborhood street in the Satilla Shores community on Feb. 23.
Ruben and Sheffield are part of the Decatur law firm of Peters, Rubin, Sheffield & Hodges.
The attorney said they believe Travis McMichael is “not guilty of the charges against him,” according to a statement from the law firm.

“Travis has been vilified before voice could even be heard,” Rubin said. “In a case such as this that is already highly publicized, it is imperative that no one rush to judgment, and to allow the legal process to run its course,.”

Macon firm to defend Travis McMichael in fatal shooting
 
Yes, you keep reminding me and I keep forgetting. They didn't physically see him trespassing that day. They were alerted that he was there and saw him running down the road.
I can't keep up with all the threads ... Has anyone identified how they "knew" that AA had just gone in the English house?
Because unless they knew that happened, that they witnessed it or had immediate knowledge of his trespass they had no right or rationale for a citizens arrest.

Trespass is a misdemeanor so even detaining him for that wasn't valid reason, but if they actually witnessed or had immediate knowledge it could be argued they 'thought' he was stealing while trespassing, a felony.
MOO the facts looks like GM saw AA run by, and then, in his own words said 'Hey Travis there is that guy you saw from two weeks ago at the English place get your gun and let's go."

They could have called the police. But no right to try to arrest by force is there.
 
Atlanta-based criminal defense attorneys Robert G. “Bob” Rubin and Jason B. Sheffield announced Thursday morning that they will represent Glynn County resident Travis McMichael, who is accused of fatally shooting the unarmed Ahmaud Arbery on a neighborhood street in the Satilla Shores community on Feb. 23.
Ruben and Sheffield are part of the Decatur law firm of Peters, Rubin, Sheffield & Hodges.
The attorney said they believe Travis McMichael is “not guilty of the charges against him,” according to a statement from the law firm.

“Travis has been vilified before voice could even be heard,” Rubin said. “In a case such as this that is already highly publicized, it is imperative that no one rush to judgment, and to allow the legal process to run its course,.”

Macon firm to defend Travis McMichael in fatal shooting

Defending a man who rushed to judgement from a rush to judgement.
 
The father, G McMichaels, was a retired police officer (with no arrest powers during his last five years on the job, apparently) but I don't think Travis, his son, ever worked in LE.

So yes, they were both citizens attempting to make a citizens arrest after seeing Arbery trespassing in an open home under construction. They believed he was responsible for burglaries in the area although there is no evidence of that as far as we know. There was only one police report of a burglary and I believe it was about seven weeks before the murder.

Imo

Thanks for the info---therefore, these two men had absolutely no
business attempting to arrest this man, even if he was doing
something illegal, for which there is no evidence that he was
doing anything illegal.
 
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I can't keep up with all the threads ... Has anyone identified how they "knew" that AA had just gone in the English house?
Because unless they knew that happened, that they witnessed it or had immediate knowledge of his trespass they had no right or rationale for a citizens arrest.

Trespass is a misdemeanor so even detaining him for that wasn't valid reason, but if they actually witnessed or had immediate knowledge it could be argued they 'thought' he was stealing while trespassing, a felony.
MOO the facts looks like GM saw AA run by, and then, in his own words said 'Hey Travis there is that guy you saw from two weeks ago at the English place get your gun and let's go."

They could have called the police. But no right to try to arrest by force is there.
Yes, either way, trespassing is a minor offense and is not grounds for a citizens arrest.

Their claim from the beginning was that he was a "burglary suspect." Apparently Barnhill accepted this as fact because this is what he stated in his letter.

He stated that the McMichael's had enough probable cause to justify their actions. Yet he did not back up his claims with any solid evidence, as far as I can tell.

It seems to be his opinion more than anything else.

Jmo
 
Didn’t the father and son report a handgun stolen from a pick up truck they owned parked outside their home? This just seems odd to me, especially if they were concerned about break-ins. Why leave a gun in a unprotected vehicle?
Someone with LE experience should know better...
In addition, it is a convenient detail considering they claimed the victim put his hands down his pants as if he was going to draw a gun in a previous confrontation. Its just too much of a coincidence to me and too convenient for the perps for me. If I were a more suspicious person I might come to all sorts of conclusions.


The call details/narrative for that alleged theft raise the level of hinky, imo.

Already known (of the story told by GM): on New Years Day, around 9:30AM, GM is at TM's address, and for some unknown reason goes outside to move TM's truck to another spot, still on TM's property. He says he forgot to lock the truck after he did so.

TM said when he went outside within a short while after that, he noticed an empty holster on the front seat and then called LE.

According to the LE call detail report, TM told LE when he called at 11:07AM that the gun "had been taken within the hour." He also told LE that he didn't have a serial number for the gun. What he was quite clear about, though, was that he wanted to make an official report about the theft of his gun.

Suspicious mind at work here. The circumstances of the alleged theft are pretty curious, but also and very much is the timing.

Plucking out bits and pieces from the other call details, it's possible to put together a timeline:

October 25, 2019. English calls LE at 10:04PM to report a trespasser he is watching in real time on his CCTV. He described the man ("tattoos down both arms, curly hair"), and asked LE to "find out what he's doing and to have him removed."

At 10:18, without intervention by LE, the trespasser exits the site, heading across the street (towards 221 Satilla Drive). English sent LE a description of the trespasser after this call.

November 18, 2019. English calls LE a second time, about a man "who isn't supposed to be there, walking around under the carport, looking around." English said he looked like the same man from the first incident, but that the night before other trespassers had been on the site, and that he had "had to call LE on offender."

From the call details and narrative written about the incident on February 11, what's clear is that after this second trespass at the latest, English did indeed "distribute" videos of these incidents, both to the neighborhood FB page and to their NextDoor app, as well as the description of the trespasser he had sent to LE in October.

The LEO who wrote the Feb 11 incident report noted that he had personally canvassed the neighborhood "during the day," asking peeps if they had seen anyone who matched ( English's ) description of the trespasser.

In other words, by the end of November, 2019, English and LE had put the Satilla Shores neighborhood on the alert and on the lookout for a young black man. (Who had, at worse, twice committed the misdemeanor offense of trespassing onto an open construction site. As had others and in the same timeframe, according to English, but mysteriously, even with 24/7 CCTV and active interest, English doesn't seem to have shared video or descriptions of those other trespassers).

Then, on January 1, TM reports a gun he can't provide a serial number for stolen. And he is specific that he wants an official report. Other neighbors who speak to the media after AA is killed say that although there were other thefts in the neighborhood, including from cars, no one wanted to report the thefts "because their insurance might go up."
 
Atlanta-based criminal defense attorneys Robert G. “Bob” Rubin and Jason B. Sheffield announced Thursday morning that they will represent Glynn County resident Travis McMichael, who is accused of fatally shooting the unarmed Ahmaud Arbery on a neighborhood street in the Satilla Shores community on Feb. 23.
Ruben and Sheffield are part of the Decatur law firm of Peters, Rubin, Sheffield & Hodges.
The attorney said they believe Travis McMichael is “not guilty of the charges against him,” according to a statement from the law firm.

“Travis has been vilified before voice could even be heard,” Rubin said. “In a case such as this that is already highly publicized, it is imperative that no one rush to judgment, and to allow the legal process to run its course,.”

Macon firm to defend Travis McMichael in fatal shooting
He had over two months for his voice to be heard. They weren't vilified until the public was able to see the video of what actually happened.

There should have been a thorough investigation in the beginning. LE had plenty of time to collect evidence.

Imo
 
The call details/narrative for that alleged theft raise the level of hinky, imo.

Already known (of the story told by GM): on New Years Day, around 9:30AM, GM is at TM's address, and for some unknown reason goes outside to move TM's truck to another spot, still on TM's property. He says he forgot to lock the truck after he did so.

TM said when he went outside within a short while after that, he noticed an empty holster on the front seat and then called LE.

According to the LE call detail report, TM told LE when he called at 11:07AM that the gun "had been taken within the hour." He also told LE that he didn't have a serial number for the gun. What he was quite clear about, though, was that he wanted to make an official report about the theft of his gun.

Suspicious mind at work here. The circumstances of the alleged theft are pretty curious, but also and very much is the timing.

Plucking out bits and pieces from the other call details, it's possible to put together a timeline:

October 25, 2019. English calls LE at 10:04PM to report a trespasser he is watching in real time on his CCTV. He described the man ("tattoos down both arms, curly hair"), and asked LE to "find out what he's doing and to have him removed."

At 10:18, without intervention by LE, the trespasser exits the site, heading across the street (towards 221 Satilla Drive). English sent LE a description of the trespasser after this call.

November 18, 2019. English calls LE a second time, about a man "who isn't supposed to be there, walking around under the carport, looking around." English said he looked like the same man from the first incident, but that the night before other trespassers had been on the site, and that he had "had to call LE on offender."

From the call details and narrative written about the incident on February 11, what's clear is that after this second trespass at the latest, English did indeed "distribute" videos of these incidents, both to the neighborhood FB page and to their NextDoor app, as well as the description of the trespasser he had sent to LE in October.

The LEO who wrote the Feb 11 incident report noted that he had personally canvassed the neighborhood "during the day," asking peeps if they had seen anyone who matched ( English's ) description of the trespasser.

In other words, by the end of November, 2019, English and LE had put the Satilla Shores neighborhood on the alert and on the lookout for a young black man. (Who had, at worse, twice committed the misdemeanor offense of trespassing onto an open construction site. As had others and in the same timeframe, according to English, but mysteriously, even with 24/7 CCTV and active interest, English doesn't seem to have shared video or descriptions of those other trespassers).

Then, on January 1, TM reports a gun he can't provide a serial number for stolen. And he is specific that he wants an official report. Other neighbors who speak to the media after AA is killed say that although there were other thefts in the neighborhood, including from cars, no one wanted to report the thefts "because their insurance might go up."
Travis had a gun stolen for which he had no serial number? That's a strange story.
Whoever he bought it from has the number.
 
Bryan’s attorney canceled another press conference:
@HayleyMasonTV
We showed up for a noon press conference with William Bryan's attorney Kevin Gough today and were told it was canceled. He told me it was a venue issue. Last night it was pretty much canceled on the spot as well. This is his explanation on Facebook--No updates from him today.
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