GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #1

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The mother of the younger suspect was just on HLN. She said her son was a witness, and did not know the older boy.

My problem with his story, is that he should have called police and told them his story as a witness rather than being arrested then telling his story.

There is a cost to hanging out with the bad guys.....you look like one.
 
I bet they were "friends" on Facebook.
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Yep! I bet you are correct! The mom may just be in denial about her son.

My problem with his story, is that he should have called police and told them his story as a witness rather than being arrested then telling his story.
There is a cost to hanging out with the bad guys.....you look like one.

Exactly!
 
This article (MSM) reports that DL was charged as an adult.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...of-Brunswick-baby/isbhPFSz6UCYwnCGfAt0Ww.cspx

"BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- A 15-year-old charged as an adult in the murder of a Brunswick baby made an appearance in court this morning. DL is the younger of two teen suspects facing first degree murder charges."

I took his name out and used DL. The media reported his name.

Thanks Hickory Born, the news4jax site is updating theirs as well. Per yours above he is charged as an adult. I think I will continue to follow your lead and refer to him by initials.

He looks like a scared rabbit in his photo. I now understand Sherry West's description of him. He looks much younger than 15 to me as well, and very slight of build.
 
has anyone found the younger boy's web footprint yet, cause I suck at that.
 
I have seen reports, can't recall where, of a pastor who claimed DE and his family were homeless and bounced around alot. That same article stated that people in dixville claimed he lived over on the other side (cant recall name of neighborhood) and people over there say no he's from dixville. Does anyone know the locations the 3 searches were conducted?

Sounds like DE and/or family were staying with friends or family to me. Wish I could remember which article I read that in, it was the one where the pastor spoke of wishing he had known where DE was headed back when he had some involvement with the family, maybe he could have prevented it (paraphrased)
 
some links regarding GSR and the forensics of it.

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNGSR.html

GSR could be present on the deceased and on the assailants clothing and may be identifiable even if the body is partly or totally decomposed. Clothing is a good medium for the preservation of GSR and it will remain there even if long periods of time have elapsed between the moment of shooting and the time of collection (Schwoeble and Exline, 2000) .

[BBM I found this hopeful. I hope LE got the boys' clothes. Even if they had changed them, I doubt they had been laundered, so it is my hope they were not destroyed or dumped somewhere. If they were taken in one of the searches executed, good odds in there still being evidence on them]

http://forensicarchaeology.org/archives/315

IV. Gunshot Residue Deposition on the Firer
Handguns
During discharge, revolvers and pistols leak residues from parts of the gun near the firing hand. There are three sources of deposit:

(1) Leakage from gaps in the firing mechanism. Revolvers have a small gap between the cylinder and the rear end of the barrel. Some gunshot residues are leaked from this gap and deposited on the firer during discharge.

(2) Emission at ejection of the cartridge case. In semiautomatic pistols, as the bullet moves out of the barrel, another mechanism opens the breech and ejects the spent cartridge case. During this process, some gunshot residues are released and deposited on the firer.

(3) Blowback from the muzzle cloud. The major portion of gunshot residues are emitted from the muzzle of the weapon and some of these residues may flash back and be deposited on the firer.

Krishnan (49) concluded that pistols and revolvers deposit more residues on the firing hand compared to the non-firing hand, but this may not always be the case because the concentration and/or location of the residue depends on the shooting stance and grip used. Generally for this type of weapon, the larger the caliber, the larger is the likely amount of gunshot residue to be deposited on the hand. The gunshot residues on the firing hand are mostly deposited in the web area (34). This is the V-shaped part of the hand between the thumb and forefinger facing upward when the handgun is fired and is the area in closest contact to gases escaping along the side or back of the gun during discharge. Residues may also be deposited on the forearm or sleeves and the front of the chest from both revolvers and pistols (26,34). Other skin surfaces such as face and throat have also been reported to be useful sources of gunshot residues (35). Mere handling or loading of a firearm, as opposed to firing, is inferred from the detection of gunshot residues on the palm or inside of the hand (34).

[very comprehensive link]

http://www.wavesignal.com/forensics/GSR.html

thank you for your post. it was very interesting to read and note. just an interesting question if you don't mind. how long does the residue stay on the shooters hand/parts of their body? do you perhaps know? thanks for reading.
 
has anyone found the younger boy's web footprint yet, cause I suck at that.

I can't, but it's hard because that is generally a girls name. So it's mostly girls coming up.
Also, since DE's facebook page has been removed, DL's probably was too.
 
I have seen reports, can't recall where, of a pastor who claimed DE and his family were homeless and bounced around alot. That same article stated that people in dixville claimed he lived over on the other side (cant recall name of neighborhood) and people over there say no he's from dixville. Does anyone know the locations the 3 searches were conducted?

Sounds like DE and/or family were staying with friends or family to me. Wish I could remember which article I read that in, it was the one where the pastor spoke of wishing he had known where DE was headed back when he had some involvement with the family, maybe he could have prevented it (paraphrased)

I'm still looking but this article has the reverends name in it. I'm searching by DE and the reverends nme.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/305399/3/Brunswick-pastor-apologizes-for-violence
 
thank you for your post. it was very interesting to read and note. just an interesting question if you don't mind. how long does the residue stay on the shooters hand/parts of their body? do you perhaps know? thanks for reading.

great question Fairynuff, and the answer is what I had hoped to find when I located these links about GSR and forensics, but so far, I have not found the answer :(

I have seen on crime tv shows where the GSR stays on your skin and clothing even after washing, but that is just tv shows so I was trying to find out if that was true but never really found a satisfying answer.
 
I'm still looking but this article has the reverends name in it. I'm searching by DE and the reverends nme.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/305399/3/Brunswick-pastor-apologizes-for-violence

Thank you! I was mistaken, the reverend comments and the where DE may live comments were two different articles (probably I read one right after the other)

Hickory Born was able to provide the info re the neighborhoods DE frequented and now you've helped me locate the reverend's comments.

Thanks so much :)
 
I bet they have a video of the shooting. Quoting Glynn County police chief Matt Doering from The Brunswick News this morning.

"We know who fired the shot, specifically how, where and when the murder occurred, and the role each offender played," Doering said.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9FxYwU9qcyIWVdxZ0ZxNkx5MkU/edit?usp=sharing (part 1)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9FxYwU9qcyId1ByU3FaU3pKMVU/edit?usp=sharing (part 2)

They may even have gunshot residue evidence. All the finger pointing in the world won't help if they have a video.
 
has anyone found the younger boy's web footprint yet, cause I suck at that.


I'm not sure if this is his actual page, but somebody posted on the News 4 Jax Facebook page a link saying it is the younger suspect's Facebook. It's under the article about the suspects going to court this morning.

https://www.facebook.com/WJXT4TheLocalStation

If this is the younger suspect's page, I noticed there is a picture in 2011 of a headstone for a man with the last name Elkins.


Oh...also loooong time lurker first time poster! Hello!!
 
FYI and a "heads up"

Just now - on CNN, they had a short segment, including footage, of the 15 yr old in court this AM. Said they will also cover DE's appearance in court - he's due in court in an hour.

Caught the 15 yr old's mother in the parking lot. She said something about "how 'they' handled it" (don't really know who 'they' is - LE I'm assuming) and "the truth will come out" (whatever that means).

Also said LE is still trying to establish a motive. (This is what I don't get - what's up that LE knows about that leads them to believe that robbery wasn't a possible motive? What do they know that's leading them to any other motive and what could that motive be?

Either way - Antonio's mom is going to be on Piers Morgan tonight. His show airs at 9 PM EST.




JMHO
 
The 15 YO doesn't look like a 5 YO to me. Still confused as to what that was about.
 
FYI and a "heads up"

Just now - on CNN, they had a short segment, including footage, of the 15 yr old in court this AM. Said they will also cover DE's appearance in court - he's due in court in an hour.

Caught the 15 yr old's mother in the parking lot. She said something about "how 'they' handled it" (don't really know who 'they' is - LE I'm assuming) and "the truth will come out" (whatever that means).

Also said LE is still trying to establish a motive. (This is what I don't get - what's up that LE knows about that leads them to believe that robbery wasn't a possible motive? What do they know that's leading them to any other motive and what could that motive be?

Either way - Antonio's mom is going to be on Piers Morgan tonight. His show airs at 9 PM EST.




JMHO

Hopefully the only motive was robbery, but we don't know everything these 2 boys said to the mother...possibly a hate crime charge.

Police could also be looking at a charge related to gang involvement.
 
Hopefully the only motive was robbery, but we don't know everything these 2 boys said to the mother...possibly a hate crime charge.

Police could also be looking at a charge related to gang involvement.

I also saw the mention of the gang activity. So I suppose there is some possibility it was initiation related or something like that. If so, I would hope that law enforecment as well as the community as a whole would use this as an excuse to stamp out any and all gang activity in the area.
 
Hopefully the only motive was robbery, but we don't know everything these 2 boys said to the mother...possibly a hate crime charge.

Police could also be looking at a charge related to gang involvement.
My thoughts as well. Also, as I said the other day (and others have been speculating) that mom was "targeted" - could that "target" have been her meds? She is on disability for a spinal injury - so............. IF (and that's a BIG IF) it was a target for her meds - then drug charges as well? IDK




JMHO
 
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