GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #3

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IMO these motions are not meant to win before the court. They are meant to disseminate Mr. Gough's alternate theories on the case and discredit the known witnesses in the case.

ie. they are doing exactly what they are meant to do, counteract the very damning and negative info released to the public about his cartoon watching nice kid client who in his free time SHOOTS people, including a BABY in the FACE.

ETA that last sentence was a nod to my friend Minette ;)
 
I think Gough is getting his message out to potential witnesses; if you (witness) come forward with any information about my client, I will tear you apart...just like I am doing to the parents of a dead baby and another witness.

No wonder police said (at the Town Hall Meeting) he could count on his hand how many silent witness calls they had received.
 
What does mother of the child being or not being the most upstanding character have to do with child's murder?
 
I suspect Mr. Gough is still upset about LE having released all the unflattering info regarding DE, his FB postings which seem to indicate gang involvement and criminal activity, his family members arrests for giving false statements and dumping the gun, etc etc etc.

These motions are his way to try to balance what he perceives as an attempt by LE to try this case in the press.

These motions are directly aimed at the public (potential jurors) and any witnesses who may be tempted to come forward to LE with additional information or leads about DE and his involvement in this crime.

as always if my post does not include a link it is simply MOO based on available facts and information.
 
ticya, :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Yeah, and for all we know, 'John Doe' could be Elkins himself and Gough is keeping his name secret because no one would tend to take the word of a guy who SHOOTS BABIES IN THE FACE.

(P.S. You'll all probably get sick of me using that phrase, but I dearly hope Mr. 'Stretch' Gough reads this thread so he'll realize that people aren't getting distracted from what his client did.)

Your PS tickled me because every time I check this site there are always several guests reviewing it...right now there are 3 guests looking at it. Make that 6 guests!
 
What does mother of the child being or not being the most upstanding character have to do with child's murder?

Nothing.

Nothing at all.

It's so sad she's being drug through the mud. She's been through more than any human should ever have to endure.
 
Nothing.

Nothing at all.

It's so sad she's being drug through the mud. She's been through more than any human should ever have to endure.

My sentiments exactly. Whether this woman is mother Theresa or a mentally troubled woman with a very imperfect past (all perfect people, raise their hands now? Hmm, I see none) , in this case she is completely the victim.

I find it appalling that she will continue to be re-victimized as she as the "defense" for the killers grasps as straws to try and fling as much mud as possible in an effort muddy the waters to deflect from the obvious guilt and completely inexcusable of what the killers did.

How many of us would be ok with our past being dredged up to deflect the guilt of someone who mercilessly executed our child in from of us? I doubt any of us would, even me as I am a person who had a career as an elementary school teacher, a first responder and my last encounter with being in legal trouble was a simple speeding ticket 20 years ago.
 
where is Poirot? I can't wait for her to weight in.

Just got here and am trying to catch up reading. Been so involved in the other thread I almost forgot this one was still spinning yarn! Looks like I have about 3 pages of posts & links to read, now.

Not sure I'll have much to add after reading, though. This is just about as wild as I've seen...
 
<respectfully snipped for space>
BUT MOST IMPORTANT:

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said the crime was preventable.
&#8220;There are people in the community &#8212; adults &#8212; that had information that could&#8217;ve stopped the crime,&#8221; Doering said, &#8220;but they consciously made a decision not to come forward.&#8221;

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...rs-killing-couldve-been-stopped#ixzz2PaX0wH5U

I wonder who knew about this and would that make this premeditated murder????

wow. what a twist. if true, this spins a lot of different angles.
if "people in the community" had info that could have stopped it, this surely wasn't random. you would think if this is true there would be more arrested and charged w/ conspiracy.
so many questions.

Sounds like LE is saying this was random yet also wasn't (in that it was 'preventable.') I feel like I'm using this smilie a lot in here -->:confused:

I don't understand this defense motion regarding the baby's father. Can someone please explain?

(From article)
The other motion asks for information on any deals made with Louis Santiago, the boy's father, and disclosure of any known associates and connection between Santiago and Wilfredo Calix-Flores, a victim in a prior shooting in which Elkins is now charged.

The defense says Santiago is or was an informant for an unnamed law enforcement agency. Attorneys also say Santiago has a history of domestic abuse and point to a 2002 arrest in Camden County.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Defens...rents/-/475880/19625028/-/mckwbq/-/index.html

Okay...read the motion. Also the articles listed in the last 2 pages. In the 10 comments under the First Coast news 'attorney says' article is a comment by a prior wife of Santiago's who says she was the victim in that domestic violence 2002 arrest. Her name in that comment links to her facebook page, where she talks about that experience openly. I'm sure LE is aware of this history, though they've established no connection of that case to this case. But apparently the defense thinks this and some other questionable things in the history of Antonio's parents might 1) make their own testimonies less credible in the case of his client, and 2) possibly even be relevant to this crime. It might not read 'nice' but unfortunately he has the right to explore all this in doing his job for the defense.

What's true is true, what's false is false, and what's valid to this case will hopefully, eventually, be sorted out. Exposing all kinds of 'truth' in an effort to extract the relevant truth has always been the price to pay for justice.
http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...d-baby-traded-sex/GOVAoF48ekaGvI0CzoCnmQ.cspx

The mother's actions and the shooters actions are separate as far as I can see.
It wouldn't change the charges against DE even IF these allegations against the mother are true.

Maybe this attorney is going to claim that this shooting was somehow connected to the sex/drugs thing?
Something like DE was forced to shoot the baby by someone else, due to a drug debt, or for revenge.


It doesn't matter if the mother was a drug dealer and hooker who beat her child, sold her child and drugged her child...

That child was ALIVE when they shot him... which means he's DEAD because they shot him. :facepalm:

That is really all that matters. :twocents:

True--I don't personally care what either parents' lifestyle choices are--as long as those are not directly related to Antonio's murder. Ultimately, that's what matters--ultimately that innocent baby was The Victim. His life completely snuffed out even before he was capable of understanding the evil in the world he lived in.

The way I see it, if a defense atty thinks there might be a thread of a connection between anyone's lifestyle and the crime they say they experienced at the hands of his accused client, (especially when LE are saying it 'could have been prevented'), I see it as an ethical imperative that he explore that, no matter how uncomfortable that might be to all living victims/witnesses involved. Exploring the lives of all principal players for the sole purpose of saying nasty things about them or slandering them is purely malicious. Exploring things for the purpose of digging deeper into a case in an attempt to extract the whole truth--for everyone's sake--is not 'malicious,' though, but done with a mind toward eventual justice for all victims and guilty parties. JMOUO. (JustMyOwnUnpopularOpinion)...and I know I'm going to be ducking tomatoes, here. :o

(In other words, if I'm ever wrongly accused of something, I'd hope to have a defense atty like 'Stretch.' Probably would even if I were 'rightly' accused of something.)
 
If little Antonio's legacy is that he wakes up a community and its governing bodies to a problem and creates change and makes the city of Brunswick a safer place for others then I think that would be awfully fitting.

I think this is something we can all agree on. How sad that things have to reach crisis point before change can happen, before the problem can even be discussed openly.
 
no tomatoes from me Poirotry. I disagree with some of your assessment just as I am sure you do not agree with all of mine but appreciate your view and most especially, how thoughtful your posts are and how well you express your thoughts within them. Even the less than popular ones.
 
tlcya, you are my role model for posting in here. Thanks for your thoughts--and for not throwing the tomatoes!
 
Considering the suspect is accused of another attempted armed robbery just 10 days prior, perhaps the people who could have stopped baby's murder are the ones who knew about the prior robbery? I don't believe baby's murder was planned in advance, but presumably it still could have been stopped. I don't think police chief is saying that this baby was specifically targeted in a planned execution. I think he is saying there were people that knew the suspect had a gun, etc, that could have turned the suspect in prior to the murder.
 
true jjenny, he may have been referring to the people around DE who know he had a gun, knew he was involved in criminal activity and did nothing to prevent its continued escalation.
 
true jjenny, he may have been referring to the people around DE who know he had a gun, knew he was involved in criminal activity and did nothing to prevent its continued escalation.

Which ultimately led to him SHOOTING A BABY IN THE FACE!!

Gooooood morning, posters! Just thought I'd post my usual reminder for Mr. Gough et al. And I too think that the statement that this crime could have been prevented refers to those who knew DE had a gun + violent criminal tendencies, not that little Antonio was targeted.

P.S. ticya is my role model for posting, too, especially the part where she doesn't threaten to thrash miscreants with a fish! :floorlaugh:
 
Minette, you are too funny. ;) I think we need a LOL thumbs up along with the "thanks for this useful post" one. Meanwhile, I'll just have to use that more serious one for my guffaws (as well as my thanks).

Page 15 of the document linked below is a request to the Court by Lewis Santiago not to be contacted by suspects or suspects' attorneys/staff. WHOSE signature is that? Does he have an attorney? I cannot make out that signature to be his name.

Also, I hope Sherry West has requested the same.

http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-...in-De-Marquise-Elkins-case.pdf?format=rss_2.0

I wondered the same thing, HickoryB! It's definitely not the letters in his name, no matter which way you look at it. Also, it looked liked something else was printed below the signature--"presence waived" is what I read. So, did someone else sign for him? (Can't really make out his atty's sig in that, either, though it's less of a stretch.)
 

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