GA - Apalachee High School shooting, 4 dead, 9 injured, Winder, Barrow County - 04 September 2024 *father and son arrested*

[Izzylizzy]

Each year before the start of school maybe the federal govt should send all households in the US a reminder about gun safety, things to look for in your child and the lastest court cases filed against parents.
TV commercials?

I like many here find it difficult to believe that gun owners, especially those with kids aren't aware that parents/adults are finally being held accountable along with being convicted.

 

[LadyL]

The reality is, even if a student/child or adult for that matter, even if they get intensive inpatient treatment, that doesn't guarantee a thing. I've seen students in and out of inpatient treatment, various facilities, counseling, medications, ad infinitum and they can just as easily commit an act of violence...even after all attempts at restorative mental health have made.

The best remedy here, in my opinion, is in providing for a secure building, it lies in preventing the weapon from entering the building.

An AR-15.... this style rifle comes apart pretty easy. There's a rear part that, for lack of getting all detailed, the rear stock with the trigger can easily separate from the front barrel portion of the rifle, making it easy to conceal in a bookbag, knapsack, luggage, and even a briefcase if it's the right size.

Look 'em up online, search ar15 upper, and ar15 lower, and you'll easily discover the two main components and see pictures of how they come apart.

they'll just start shooting up busses or kids at recess

 

[LadyL]

Discord is not like Websleuths at all… people can host private chat servers and you can delete messages & they will be erased forever. A lot of young child killers, harassment and suicide, pedophiles, illicit activity, etc have been linked to Discord. Recently there was a kid who said he’ll murder his mother and post the pics on his community’s server to prove it… he did and most of the kids thought it was so funny and a joke. Thankfully one of the kids reported what he saw in the server. The reality is if the kid never shared what he saw in that server, the boy may have gotten away with it.

I referenced “private servers” in which a lot of kids and young adults participate a while back that have been very problematic especially with young boys and young adult men and now there’s news out that the killer used Discord. Why am I not surprised?

A lot of boys use discord, mostly to game and chat with their friends… but you’ll also uncover extremely vile servers that share racist rhetoric, calls for genocide, calls for violence, & more. The kicker is the kids look peachy clean on surface, straight As, good track record, the family’s beloved boy who could do no wrong, etc, then you discover their online activity and it’s shocking.

is Discord to be on the dark web?

 

[LadyL]

I said it’s “not dissimilar”, not that they’re the same. You can host private threads on here, too, with little oversight. There are all sorts of communities on Discord, and the relevant point being discussed was regarding IP addresses and anonymity. Discord complies with legal demands, messages aren’t encrypted, user logs are maintained as well as IP addresses. The purpose is not an anonymous chat service - that is something more like Telegram.

You can also find many of the things you list on most social media platforms. Discord is not special.

All my opinion.

is Telegram on the dark web?

 

[Leopard]

Discord and Telegram are easily accessible and not considered dark web content.

 

[LadyL]

Is it bad that i feel some level of sympathy for him?

I have from the beginning. Strange I usually just feel anger.

 

[Breezie]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school-09-06-24/index.html

Woodson told CNN that students told her that Aspinwall heard a commotion outside his classroom and went to see what was going on. When he did, he was shot in the chest by the 14-year-old suspect.

“His students pulled Ricky back into the classroom and used their own shirts to try to stop the bleeding and save him,” She explained, “If he didn’t walk out and take the bullet … who knows what would’ve happened.”

 

[LadyL]

BBM

That comment that “all the guns will go away” says it all about Colin Gray’s priorities! Not that his son might have made threats, but that he’d lose his guns if Colt did. I can’t even!

I think he meant it as in he would make the guns go away.

 

[Izzylizzy]

IMO:
For LE to have gotten a warrant for the father's arrest with the charges laid out for the judge at such a speed they must have walked into their home and found evidence in plain sight.
It could have been NPR today but I heard a news update on the shooter and the guy said more charges are expected.???
State/federal "hate crime" comes to my mind.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

what happened to the witness who said he was chronically skipping class and who said he was a quiet kid with one-word

“im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. “I cant kill myself yet, cause I’m not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/colt-gray-suspect-georgia-shooter/index.html

*so what changed since May 2023? Was he working on himself and trying to influence his culture? How did/does he define his culture? Did he have no friends? How did Colt spend his summer? Going back to school is stressful for kids no matter who we are. Was he an angry kid? What triggers did this kid have?

And for whoever had a problem with his bad haircut, leave him alone about it. I think he's a cute kid who should spend the remainder of his life in misery equivalent to all the pain he's inflicted on others. Anyone who judged him about his self-identity based on his haircut or color might seriously need to check themselves. This is WS and I hope we are a more socially intelligent group. He's a jailed killer now. His haircut matters not.

I do wonder how his out-of-control parents' behavior led to this day. What happened the last couple of days? School starting is the timing. But what were his activating thoughts the days before? I'm curious. Were the vitims really random? Did he decide that morning when he loaded his rifle who he was going to shoot or did he just go in blasting?

 

[Breezie]

IMO:
For LE to have gotten a warrant for the father's arrest with the charges laid out for the judge at such a speed they must have walked into their home and found evidence in plain sight.
It could have been NPR today but I heard a news update on CC and the guy said more charges are expected.
State/federal "hate crime" comes to my mind.

Somewhere, it was stated that there will be charges for those who were injured.
Those charges are waiting until they get a chance to talk with the survivors.

 

[Dotta]

Just 2 days after Georgia attack

https://twitter.com/x/status/1832157474893262915

 

[Boxer]

He really never had much of a chance.

There are other kids who come from extremely dysfunctional backgrounds who would never do what he did. There are many other kids who are bullied but have some support so they won’t do what he did. Some kids grow up hunting and with access to guns who will never shoot anyone. It is the combination of all these things that contributed to what he chose to do.

All true.
Same with mental illness, it's not the reason, though it is sometimes present, like all the factors that can be present.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Somewhere, it was stated that there will be charges for those who were injured.
Those charges are waiting until they get a chance to talk with the survivors.

Thanks, I'm following here and there and lots is lost.

 

[scapa]

Yep, new school.

So whatever culture of bullying existed at his last school, this was a whole new place with potentially a different culture and way of dealing with that kind of behaviour in its student body.

It's hard to play the 'years of bullying' card when there's a good chance that every person he shot didn't even know his name yet.

MOO

Agree.

Between that, the history of drug, alcohol, physical and other abuse within the family, the previous FBI-documented school shooting threats, the father's alleged responses to them under interview -- and that AR-15 as a Christmas present, for a kid who could not legally own it.

This kid was a walking checklist for an emergent school shooter.

I honestly have no words.

 

[LadyL]

Glad you pointed that out. Because I had originally read the quote like the dad was a responsible adult, meaning he would voluntarily get rid of his own guns if his son had been dumb enough or reckless enough to make threats.

I guess I was being way too optimistic and your post opened my eyes. And now the dad has been charged too.

Imo.

that's still how I read the quote, despite his charges
I think he was trying to appease the FBI agent and pretend to be a responsible parent
I guess we can't know for sure unless the reporter or the accused elaborate

 

[kaen]

The reality is, even if a student/child or adult for that matter, even if they get intensive inpatient treatment, that doesn't guarantee a thing. I've seen students in and out of inpatient treatment, various facilities, counseling, medications, ad infinitum and they can just as easily commit an act of violence...even after all attempts at restorative mental health have made.

The best remedy here, in my opinion, is in providing for a secure building, it lies in preventing the weapon from entering the building.

An AR-15.... this style rifle comes apart pretty easy. There's a rear part that, for lack of getting all detailed, the rear stock with the trigger can easily separate from the front barrel portion of the rifle, making it easy to conceal in a bookbag, knapsack, luggage, and even a briefcase if it's the right size.

Look 'em up online, search ar15 upper, and ar15 lower, and you'll easily discover the two main components and see pictures of how they come apart.

In the cases of this young man and the Michigan shooter and the Uvalde shooter, there are not interventions that ever happened because they were not in treatment. That said, there is a lot to unpack in what you wrote about the mental health aspect of these patients. Mental health conditions can often be long term rather than a quick cure after hospitalization, medication or therapy. Monitoring and continued interface with mental health professionals are key in the management. No one can force care on adult (interface or medication) which is why there are so many mentally ill people on the streets in communities. With children and teens, the adults in their lives are the ones who can help them to be managed. Are there situations where young people or children in treatment are violent regardless of great or good care? Yes. But, the responsibility of safety is on the adults-- mental health providers, schools, programs, parent/guardians, law enforcement--- ultimately. I do work with some of these young people on a daily basis. I have seen a lot and know the challenges. You don't need a gun to do damage--- desks, chairs, utensils can also be deadly. But, these situations can be mitigated-- weighted, unmovable desks and chairs, or utensils made of specific plastics rather than metal. I agree on the idea of a secure building to an extent but the issue is multi-pronged from my experience.

The building that this young man shot up was filled with new security tech--- auto locking doors, teacher cards that go directly to LE for alerts, but maybe not metal detectors but lots of great deterrents. The people who died were in unsecured areas. The killer tried to gain access to rooms by banging on doors and barking orders.

This shooter as with the Michigan shooter was betrayed by family and community resources. The students and teachers and all in this building were also betrayed by the family, community resources, LE and legislators because there were not interventions given. When all is said and done, I believe we will continue to see that many of the adults in his sphere missed massive signals. The ratio of mental health professionals to students is too high. Parents/guardians who ignore or miss chances to get help are too many. Children with unfettered access to guns or weapons are a concern but children with untreated mental health conditions with unfettered access to guns and weapons is murder waiting to happen.

I struggle with the idea that this young man had access to a weapon given what his own family stated his mental health concerns were.

Shooters continue to find new ways to breech buildings or will shoot people outside of building or.... whatever new ways they dream up or talk about on the dark web with each other. The problem requires a myriad of remedies not one.

 

[LadyL]

Yes. CG had Adam Lanza's name disguised in Russian letters on Discord. He was idolizing school shooters.

the FBI doesn't know if that was him

 

[Chimera]

REVEALED: Georgia school shooter Colt Gray was 'bullied for being gay'

Georgia school shooter Colt Gray was bullied by classmates who called him gay, his father told detectives in an interview last year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Georgia school shooter Colt Gray was bullied by classmates who called him gay, his father told detectives in an interview last year.

Colin Grey, 54, made the claims when he was interviewed by the Jackson County Sheriff's office after the FBI received a tip that his son had threatened a shooting at his middle school.

'It was very difficult for him to go to school and not get picked on,' Colin Gray told an investigator, according to a transcript of the conversation obtained by DailyMail.com.

The father added: 'It went from one thing to another... I was trying to get him on the golf team... [they were like] Oh, look, Colt's gay. He's dating that guy. Just ridiculed him day after day after day.'

Thanks for linking this.

Many, many kids and yes even adults have been bullied in all walks of life -- from school, to university, and in the workplace.
Yes it's wrong and can make some who aren't very stable snap.
Esp. the injustice collectors, which I don't know if that was Colt's diagnosis.

Eta : How did the dad know this ?
Did Colt express a reluctance to be in school over the ridicule, or did he complain about comments being made about him during classes ?
I am admittedly side-eyeing Colin a bit about this, as his judgment isn't the best.

For everyone who commits this type of atrocity, there are thousands or more -- who go on to live a productive life and and act compassionately towards others.

Regardless of what Colin Gray says, that is no excuse for what his son has done.
None.
I'm just going to leave that here.
Omo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yep, new school.

So whatever culture of bullying existed at his last school, this was a whole new place with potentially a different culture and way of dealing with that kind of behaviour in its student body.

It's hard to play the 'years of bullying' card when there's a good chance that every person he shot didn't even know his name yet.

MOO

After reading a bit about his mother and he and his dad being evicted from their home in early 2023 I can see some bullying over that.

But...there's a familiar ring about his childhood,worse but familiar about what neighbors said about Jennifer Crumbley and EC when he was young,'
There's 2 other children in the family who were said to have gone with the mother when parents divorced.
Being bullied can start at a young age and
I'm not making excuses for him in any way but his childhood could have killed the good within and let the dark run amok?

At his morning hearing I was focused on his extreme calmness, he just sat there like he was watching the judge address someone else and answered clearly when the judge asked him if he understood what he was telling him.

I don't know if there's footage of him entering and exiting the courtroom that shows him expressing something?
Now his father.....


In one of the articles about the 2023 threats it was either the FBI or local LE that said he remained calm when being questioned,