Found Deceased GA - Bud, 69, & June Runion, 66, McRae, 22 Jan 2015 #2 *Arrest*

[Cinnamon]

This site says that prepaid phones can be tracked and the US Supreme Court has said that a warrant isn't necessarily for LE to have when tracking the prepaid phone.

Lose The Burners: Court Okays Prepaid Phone Tracking

http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...t-okays-prepaid-phone-tracking/d/d-id/1105814

Thanks, oceanblueeyes! Wasn't sure about pre-paid phones, as I only dealt with post-pay phones and accounts in my job at the cell company.

 

[Peliman]

Thank you

So is an ID sometimes required when purchasing a drop/burner/prepaid phone? (aren't they all the same basically?)

No an ID is not required but that dosen't mean the sale is not traceable to the phone. more below.

If the person wanted to make it more difficult to be traced, they'd pay cash and hope there were no cameras at point of purchase but you still will be linked to whomever you contacted using that phone or whomever contacted you, so that's where AT&T could come in, by simply seeing the last contacts before the Runions left and call them back or trace them with the phone ID # and to where it was purchased, with or without a name (?)

In theory yes, lets make this more difficult, it requires good detective work along with the skills of network engineers. Suppose a person purchased a phone on Ebay, there always a seller, buyer and phone id. Detectives would request all information from the seller and work for clues. How was it purchased, where was it sent ect.

For a phone to work time must be purchased on a network. The phone ID follows the phone even if we don't know who owns it. Say you're driving south for 200 miles. If someone calls or messages you, the signal from towers has to find you, it does so by electronic ID to a phone. Kinda the short explanation.

 

[Cinnamon]

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Yes agreed! So maybe the Runions could not reach him by phone the reason they stopped and asked questions at the antique store and probably were thinking cell reception was probably bad in that area of land and farms, JMO

ATT info was not on MSM sites that I know of, but I still wondered how LE or the children got the information so quickly and yes it took Sheriff Sills in eatonton months to get phone records, IIRC, so wondered how this was so quick in regards to getting info, fri to saturday, however that occurred, on this phone, just thinking the children somewhow tracked down the last numbers her parents had contact with, with a 229 area code, or would the area code on a drop phone be from the city you purchase it or from the company??

ThANKS again!!





ALL JMO or inquires!

Just wondering if the children of the Runions

BBM. If the children knew their parents' AT&t login information, they could have logged into their account to see the call activity log...and then they shared that with LE. Jmo.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Well, My theories are works in progress.

If Jay did this, I doubt he acted totally alone.

If Jay was framed, then I highly doubt it was one person acting alone to frame him.

Does any of that make any sense?

Yes it does, we do not have all the facts, neither does his family apparently and we all here know how mean some pepole are/can be

I wonder about his alibi

where was he, if he has no alibi he's quite likely screwed even if he didnt do this or act alone

anything is possible

if they have surveillance of him purchaseing the phone would be bad news for him too

but so far, we dont' know any of that

so far what we have is damming and the ludicrousy of the whole thing make syou think no one is that dumb to leave such a trail

I posted questions about the phone and why Runions didnt' just call RT when they couldn't find the road,or did they and there was no answer, apparently they found SOMEBODY somewhere sometime

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

BBM. If the children knew their parents' AT&t login information, they could have logged into their account to see the call activity log...and then they shared that with LE. Jmo.

Wondered about that and how soon the information on calls would be available

THANKS AGAIN!! LOL

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

In theory yes, lets make this more difficult, it requires good detective work along with the skills of network engineers. Suppose a person purchased a phone on Ebay, there always a seller, buyer and phone id. Detectives would request all information from the seller and work for clues. How was it purchased, where was it sent ect.

For a phone to work time must be purchased on a network. The phone ID follows the phone even if we don't know who owns it. Say you're driving south for 200 miles. If someone calls or messages you, the signal from towers has to find you, it does so by electronic ID to a phone. Kinda the short explanation.

Then it sounds like they (LE or children) got lucky to get the information so quickly, what from fri to sat? in somehow tracing RT to this phone, stuns me how quickly they put a name to it, but as you know, I'm not phone savvy on such matters as these! LOL and someone in an article says RT is not very computer literate so thinking he didnt' go online to register it and of course you wouldnt' if you were going to commit a crime using it, but then none of this really makes good sense

We talk about shallow sense of right and wrong but does that mean that you make something SOO VERY obvious? IDK

Thanks !

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

RT's father mentioned someone went into the woods with him to get RT but was hesitant to mention the persons name. Or did I just make that up in my head?
id like to know who that was. Seems odd to me we haven't heard from more "friends."

I would have to look at that video one more time but I do recall what you are referring to, and my intial thoughts in recalling it then and now, was that he was about to mention a GBI name and then I didnt' think on it anymore, interesting tho, now I'm curious and he did look around and then someone in the background said tell them about his family as if to lead him away from whoever he was about to mention, IIRC or atleast were my thoughts at the time of viewing it

ALL JMO

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

i"ve been searching for the obituary, has anyone seen it?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/sheriff-robbery-named-motive-killings-cobb-county-/njymb/

He said deputies had previously questioned Towns in a rash of petty thefts. He was never charged.
"Obviously, they didn't find a strong enough connection," Steverson said.
Steverson detailed some specifics about the current case to Channel 2’s Aaron Diamant.
"We feel that we can prove it was motivated as a robbery," Steverson said.
Towns is charged with murder and armed robbery, along with some lesser charges, for the killings of the Runions.
"We don't have any evidence of there being a '66 Mustang owned by this individual or anyone who's associated with him," Steverson told Diamant.
Channel 2 Action News learned that a landscaping company recently fired Towns because he stopped showing up for work regularly.
"To know that an individual from this community is involved in this heinous crime on my watch, yeah, it pisses me off,” Steverson said.
Steverson says the department is still plowing through a mountain of evidence to piece together the Runions' final moments.

so looking at all this, sounds like RT just thought he'd never get caught after so many petty thefts he just walked away from

also the part about not showing up for work regularly, does that indicate drugs as has been mentinoed many time and then maybe why he's divorced? and his thinner build now as opposed to earlier pics of him JMO

 

[Cinnamon]

Wondered about that and how soon the information on calls would be available

THANKS AGAIN!! LOL

I don't know about AT&T, but on Verizon, calls show up in the online call log in about 15 minutes.

 

[jimbob22]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/sheriff-robbery-named-motive-killings-cobb-county-/njymb/

He said deputies had previously questioned Towns in a rash of petty thefts. He was never charged.
"Obviously, they didn't find a strong enough connection," Steverson said...

I joined the forum because of this case, although I've read through some other threads in past years.

From what I've read, he isn't a great guy, isn't a great person, and it's sad that his family is actually taking the 'OJ Simpson' route: implying that he couldn't have done it and that he was set up.

They did express sympathy for the Runions, but they know that Jay has had skirmishes with the law, that he's not a dedicated and reliable 'career man', and they should have just said that they want to wait to see all the evidence, not asserted that he's actually innocent. Obviously, Jay's actions are not the fault of his family.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/raw-video-family-of-man-accused-of-killing-cobb-co/vDCmxd/

"and that's what you said..and GBI"

Father said , "yeah me and .....well, i dont' know if I'm supposed to name any names or not"

(sounds like he's referring to the GBI whom he shook hadns with in regards to them letting father go into woods and get his son (RT))

 

[Sonya610]

When you buy one, you simply open the package, charge the phone, and enter the code or number to load the minutes. That's it. You start using it. If you run out of minutes, you go back to a store and buy a card with more minutes, and just load the code/#. No names, no registration. IMO, LE accessed the Runion's call activity log, and just started calling the numbers, and he answered it. IDK. Perhaps there was more to it. But, it could have been that simple. Also, all cell phones (whether disposable/prepaid or contract) have and internal ID # (ESN, ESID, etc) which is specific to the company, so they could've traced the SN #, then that company would probably be able to find out which store that phone was sold at....then security cam footage could be used to see who was in a store on a specific day.

If it truly was bought as a burner phone with cash then yes, I think they would have to look up the number to find the mfg, then find out where it was sold (distributor who sold it to the store) then contact the store and ask them to pull surveillance footage (and if the phone had been bought a couple of months prior they may not be any camera footage left).

That is how they caught the Fast Food chain crank caller (that talked a McDonald's manager into strip searching a teen girl, and even letting her older boyfriend spank the nude girl etc...). Anyway they traced the phone card purchase to a walmart and used the surveillance tape to get a conviction.

Thing is that type of phone trace does not happen in a day, especially not on a weekend when most businesses are closed.

 

[Goldeelox]

IMHO he thought he could get away with it. He probably didn't plan well. However the phone was traced, he obviously left a trail. He leaves the car and the bodies so close to home. For theory's sake, lets say he didn't know if they would have car money on them, but they would probably have something such as jewelry, credit cards, pocket cash, etc. He probably thought he could rob them, maybe the plan was never to kill them. Regardless of his plan, he seems highly disorganized after the crime. I have seen lots of comments on the FB page questioning how he would start with such a crime. Yet it seems to all add up. He got caught, and pretty quick. It seems if he was an experienced killer or criminal he would have had a better plan. Maybe chalk it up to drugs or simply inexperience. I am leaning more towards him coming up with a quick scheme and not really thinking it through. I don't think he had any help, or that he was set up. Just my personal opinion. I am open to evidence pointing in another direction.
Question- What is the mugshot for if he doesn't have a criminal history?

 

[Sonya610]

In theory yes, lets make this more difficult, it requires good detective work along with the skills of network engineers. Suppose a person purchased a phone on Ebay, there always a seller, buyer and phone id. Detectives would request all information from the seller and work for clues. How was it purchased, where was it sent ect.

For a phone to work time must be purchased on a network. The phone ID follows the phone even if we don't know who owns it. Say you're driving south for 200 miles. If someone calls or messages you, the signal from towers has to find you, it does so by electronic ID to a phone. Kinda the short explanation.

That will never happen. The ultra poor inner city folks practically LIVE with a cell phone in their ear, forcing them to show ID would be considered unfair (as stated they aren't even required to show ID when voting in the south, as that sort of thing supposedly would punish minorities).


As far as pings, everyone knows if you remove the battery it can't ping, I would think the better burner phones do have removeable batteries.

 

[margarita25]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/sheriff-robbery-named-motive-killings-cobb-county-/njymb/

He said deputies had previously questioned Towns in a rash of petty thefts. He was never charged.
"Obviously, they didn't find a strong enough connection," Steverson said.
Steverson detailed some specifics about the current case to Channel 2’s Aaron Diamant.
"We feel that we can prove it was motivated as a robbery," Steverson said.
Towns is charged with murder and armed robbery, along with some lesser charges, for the killings of the Runions.
"We don't have any evidence of there being a '66 Mustang owned by this individual or anyone who's associated with him," Steverson told Diamant.
Channel 2 Action News learned that a landscaping company recently fired Towns because he stopped showing up for work regularly.
"To know that an individual from this community is involved in this heinous crime on my watch, yeah, it pisses me off,” Steverson said.
Steverson says the department is still plowing through a mountain of evidence to piece together the Runions' final moments.

so looking at all this, sounds like RT just thought he'd never get caught after so many petty thefts he just walked away from

also the part about not showing up for work regularly, does that indicate drugs as has been mentinoed many time and then maybe why he's divorced? and his thinner build now as opposed to earlier pics of him JMO

Interesting that it seems at this point RT did not implement his vocational backgrounds in his disposal methods (construction, landscaping)...

 

[margarita25]

RT's father mentioned someone went into the woods with him to get RT but was hesitant to mention the persons name. Or did I just make that up in my head?
id like to know who that was. Seems odd to me we haven't heard from more "friends."

Here's a link to the post with the video covering this aspect: (I quoted the father, that he retrieved RJT himself).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...2-Jan-2015-*ARREST*-2&p=11439309#post11439309

Eta: I'm glad you reminded me of this because I wanted to mention, that in the video, the father says GBI said you have til sunrise to get him to come out iirc or they're going to go in shooting. I wonder if they had him under surveillance during this time just in case he did not come out?

Also, I fully believe, well at least would hope, they initially let him go after the first interview because they were hoping to track him, that RT would lead them to the Runiuns. Of course, I didn;' post that knowing he could be reading here...I imagine others here thinking and hoping the same thing.

(O/t: has it ever been confirmed if JM/LJ was being tracked as had went to Texas, trying to remember...did he really walk out of the police station that day without a tail? Tia.)

 

[Hurricane*Sara]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...county-/njymb/

Sheriff says Towns had been interviewed in the past over "...a rash of
metal and antique thefts..."

Hmmm. Metal...as in copper? A popular crime of crackheads et al.

 

[5CentsWorth]

Wondered about that and how soon the information on calls would be available

THANKS AGAIN!! LOL

I have AT&T and I can usually see my call log and text log within an hour of the activity.

 

[Peppery]

I just skimmed the last few pages, so forgive me if these questions/observations have been answered.

1. Does Jay have much knowledge about antique cars, or access to someone who does? I'd assume Bud knew all about the specs of a '66 mustang and would have quickly been able to tell if the person answering his ad did too. I do think Jay is the sole perp, but maybe asked someone a few too many questions about old cars.

2. Do we know how often or which method Bud used to communicate with Jay? If it was all text or email, I could see not exchanging names. Or maybe he didn't remember the name and said something to the Kinnetts along the lines of "I don't know the guy's name, but I have it written down in my car."

3. Sometimes retired couples just like to go out for a drive. My grandparents used to do it all the time. They'd hop in the car with only a vague idea of where they were headed and just drive for hours. Maybe the Runions enjoyed driving too, and didn't see a 3 hour trip to look at a car as a big deal, but Jay assumed if they were willing to drive so far they were set on purchasing and would bring cash.