GA - Ex-POTUS Donald Trump and others indicted, 13 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, Aug 2023 *4 guilty* #3

[Niner]

Fulton County Sheriff describes what Trump was like when getting his mug shot

Fulton County Sheriff Patrick "Pat" Labat was there to witness the entire process.

www.11alive.com

Darn - can not access that article over here.

Can you give a 10% synopsis on this? TIA!

 

[Inthedetails]

We have freedom of speech!

We do not have freedom to use speech to commit crimes.

jmo

 

[Vern]

Darn - can not access that article over here.

Can you give a 10% synopsis on this? TIA!

Fulton County Sheriff describes what Trump was like when getting his mug shot

Fulton County Sheriff Patrick "Pat" Labat was there to witness the entire process.

www.11alive.com

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Fulton County Sheriff Patrick "Pat" Labat was there to witness the entire process. He sat down with CNN over the weekend and painted a picture of how the evening played out and what Trump was like when he came in to be booked.
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The sheriff described Trump's presence as "stoic" and said the entire process was "eerily" silent ...
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Labat concluded by saying at the end of the day, it's their job to fulfill the duty asked of them and to treat Trump like they would treat every other individual, regardless if it resulted in capital gains for the former president.
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Video of the full interview is linked below; hopefully you can see it!!

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/09/09/donald-trump-mug-shot-fulton-county-sheriff-patrick-labat-ebof-vpx.cnn

 

[BritsKate]

Fulton County Sheriff describes what Trump was like when getting his mug shot

Fulton County Sheriff Patrick "Pat" Labat was there to witness the entire process.

www.11alive.com

From your link:

Labat was first asked about Trump's demeanor when he got out of the motorcade and walked into the jail to have his fingerprints and mug shot taken. The sheriff described Trump's presence as "stoic" and said the entire process was "eerily" silent and that he was in a space where he could lean on the sheriff's plan with the protocols in place.
Labat said that Trump did not speak much when they brought him inside and that they handled all the bond paperwork in a way that would get Trump out of the jail as quickly as possible so he could be on his way.

His 'stoic' is my 'BIG MAD'. Trump loves glad-handing law enforcement because he believes (not without justification) that they all love and support him. But Trump silent and brooding in that setting, to me, indicates narcissistic rage. It had to have been humiliating for him to be treated like a common criminal. Unlike Sheriff Labat, I do not feel 'heartbroken' but rather a giddy sense of relief that he was treated (almost) like anyone else. JMO

Narcissistic Rage: Signs, Causes, Examples, & How to Cope

Darn - can not access that article over here.

Can you give a 10% synopsis on this? TIA!

It's above but you might want to think about using a VPN extension on your browser. That's what I do. Just remember to turn it off though or it wreaks havoc with sites you frequent. This is the one I use on Chrome:

Free VPN - Connection Manager

www.freevpn.one

 

[Inthedetails]

His 'stoic' is my 'BIG MAD'. Trump loves glad-handing law enforcement because he believes (not without justification) that they all love and support him. But Trump silent and brooding in that setting, to me, indicates narcissistic rage. It had to have been humiliating for him to be treated like a common criminal. JMO

Why would he glad-hand LE if there were no cameras?

jmo

 

[BritsKate]

Why would he glad-hand LE if there were no cameras?

jmo

Actually that's a good point - he might not (I actually thought but didn't say he may not have had the officers been POC too). Based on the sheriff's observation and his appearance in his booking photo, I still think he was experiencing narcissistic rage.

I can't imagine him not given his inability to control the situation, challenge to his authority, endangering his grandiosity, etc.

OJ Simpson was not charged in Alex Murdaugh's case. Should I put stock in his opinions on it?

That's a good point too and I hadn't really thought of it that way. You could quite literally find someone's lawyer, somewhere that's going to tell you what you want to hear (I mean, c'mon, look at how many are indicted alongside Trump) and of course people with links to the alleged criminals are going to believe they're innocent but I think it's more reasonable to rely on what the majority of lawyers or those not immediately linked to the criminal defendants are saying.

And that becomes pretty overwhelming.

JMO

 

[Niner]

Fulton County Sheriff describes what Trump was like when getting his mug shot

Fulton County Sheriff Patrick "Pat" Labat was there to witness the entire process.

www.11alive.com

Video of the full interview is linked below; hopefully you can see it!!

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/09/09/donald-trump-mug-shot-fulton-county-sheriff-patrick-labat-ebof-vpx.cnn

Thank you for the CNN link - and yes I can see that one!

 

[Arkay]

But Trump silent and brooding in that setting, to me, indicates narcissistic rage. It had to have been humiliating for him to be treated like a common criminal.

Donald has been treated as a celebrity ever since he moved his father’s real estate business from the outer boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens into Manhattan. He started building lavish buildings rather than the middle class apartments that were his father Fred’s purview.

He became known nationally once The Apprentice became a hit show.

Then he occupied the Oval Office.

He would be seething, glowering, rabid that he had to have a mug shot and fingerprints with the commoners.
And that is the real, behind the scenes, private Donald Trump.

JMO but also met him twice and met his father eons ago.

 

[BritsKate]

Thanks to stalking Anna Bower's Twitter feed (she's a national treasure), new update that Mark Meadows has now filed an emergency motion for the Federal Court to stay the order while he seeks relief in the 11th Circuit.

Mark Meadows Emergency Motion for Stay Pending Appeal

ETA: I haven't read it in its entirety but I do expect this will be denied. Judge Jones was very direct in his order. From the emergency motion:

While Mr. Meadows respectfully believes the Court erred, this Court need not agree to stay the Remand Order. The Court may stay its order if Mr. Meadows has “a substantial case on the merits” and the other stay factors—irreparable harm, balance of equities, and public interest—favor a stay.

I don't believe he does have a substantial case on the merits - he was able to prove (and the State conceded) that he was a federal officer [1st prong] but fell flat on the 2nd prong and the 3rd wasn't addressed in the order iirc.

But maybe Jones throws him a bone out of an abundance of caution? (After reading, really don't think he will - the argument is basically that the judge should have given Meadows what he wanted, basically.)

JMO

 

[RaechelK]

It probably would have been better for the overall health of the country just to ignore Trump, focus on passing the torch to younger political talent in both major parties. That would bring fewer advertising dollars to the media companies, and it would not satisfy the craving for justice now.

 

[sds71]

This matter appears before the Court on Defendant Mark R. Meadows’s Emergency Motion for Stay Pending Appeal (Doc. No. [74]).

In the exercise of the Court’s discretion, the Court orders expedited briefing.

To this regard, the State shall file a response brief by 12 p.m., September 12, 2023.
IT IS SO ORDERED this 11th day of September, 2023.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.319225/gov.uscourts.gand.319225.76.0_1.pdf

 

[Vern]

It probably would have been better for the overall health of the country just to ignore Trump, focus on passing the torch to younger political talent in both major parties. That would bring fewer advertising dollars to the media companies, and it would not satisfy the craving for justice now.

But that would have had to be done at the expense of 11 799 voters in Georgia whom Trump and his conspirators attempted to disenfanchise in their quest to verturn the 2020 election results.

1) No man is above the law, and
2) "with liberty and justice for all" means liberty and justice for all.

May the citizens of Georgia see the group who feloniously tried to discount their majority vote see appropriate justice delivered.

 

[RaechelK]

But that would have had to be done at the expense of 11 799 voters in Georgia whom Trump and his conspirators attempted to disenfanchise in their quest to verturn the 2020 election results.

1) No man is above the law, and
2) "with liberty and justice for all" means liberty and justice for all.

May the citizens of Georgia see the group who feloniously tried to discount their majority vote see appropriate justice delivered.

Still bring the cases. Just tone things down, focus on other candidates. Trump is a showman, don't give him an audience. Don't stoke the circus atmosphere.

 

[Inthedetails]

It probably would have been better for the overall health of the country just to ignore Trump, focus on passing the torch to younger political talent in both major parties. That would bring fewer advertising dollars to the media companies, and it would not satisfy the craving for justice now.

The GOP and his supports could have dumped him at any time. But didn't.

jmo

 

[waldojabba]

I agree, but I'll add from observations in my personal life, many supporters simply will not vote dem. Period. Not more complicated than that.

They support Trump not because they like him but because if he's in office that means a Dem is not.

And, they really aren't following these court cases other than to know DT keeps getting hit with them, so it's believable to them that they are politically motivated. They are smart and educated, but don't want to spend any time reading court documents and they'd rather just go with whatever candidate the GOP is offering.

They aren't the crowd to go to a rally or spend any energy defending the guy, but in the voting booth, they vote straight R down the ballot.

jmo

Agree. Probably 80% of my industry colleagues are just pulling the R lever when they vote. They don’t want any more taxes and they think the R vote is better for their portfolio. They don’t like Trump but that’s besides the point - they really don’t follow the news. Fifty percent of my neighbors prob also vote along these lines.
Imo

 

[waldojabba]

Donald has been treated as a celebrity ever since he moved his father’s real estate business from the outer boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens into Manhattan. He started building lavish buildings rather than the middle class apartments that were his father Fred’s purview.

He became known nationally once The Apprentice became a hit show.

Then he occupied the Oval Office.

He would be seething, glowering, rabid that he had to have a mug shot and fingerprints with the commoners.
And that is the real, behind the scenes, private Donald Trump.

JMO but also met him twice and met his father eons ago.

Agree. I met him twice also. Next to him at two lunch functions. He talked over me and around me both times. When he was younger it was obvious there was a kind of charisma that fueled the “Donald” myth. But he has always been an empty shell and a shameless social climber with no use for ordinary people. Imo

 

[BritsKate]

I think lots of people want Trump to be irrelevant - I know I do - but only once he's been held accountable for his illegality. Until then he will continue to occupy too much real estate in my head. (TMI personal history - I spent 6 weeks in hospital in 2018, 3 weeks on life support and I told my family I truly believe one of the reasons I pulled through was because I so desperately want to see him held accountable for, really, decades of wrongdoing but I'll take what I can get.)

I often think of all the contractors and employees he hasn't paid - some who lost their businesses as a result; the women he is accused of assaulting and harassing; the taxpayers he defrauded (it's not victimless - what schools didn't get built or what hospitals didn't get funding); the children he separated from parents they will never see again; the fear that must still grip election officials and poll workers and the thousands of people he ripped off through his charitable foundation and fraudulent schemes.

I just don't know how to ignore someone who has wrought so much damage when he poses such a massive threat while there are still people in positions of power and influence who have a vested interest in elevating Trump back into office (including the media). And I'm not really certain it would be a good idea to ignore him because it may well empower the idea that there aren't consquences or lend an impression that what he's accused of isn't gravely serious.

I think ignoring Trump for decades ensured he became President. Trump has always been allowed to buy, bully or berate his way out of trouble. He once gave Manhattan DA Cy Vance a $32,000 campaign donation. An investigation into fraudulent activity by his children was subsequently closed without charges. He paid a $25 million settlement to students he defrauded at Trump University. He settled with the U.S. Government both in 1998 and 2015 for over $10 million for having violated federal laws designed to thwart money laundering at his casinos. That's where his ties to Russian mobsters come in, by the way.

And sadly I could go on. The biggest problem with Trump in my view is he's never really been held accountable for anything he's done. I fervently hope that's changing.

However, it may have been a much different world had the media ignored Trump in 2015. The CNN CEO said at the time how great Trump was for ratings.

JMO and FWIW

 

[kaen]

In substance I agree with you. Given that Mr. Trump was going to go full force into 2024 AND he allegedly committed crimes in the lead up as well as aftermath of 2020, I think it is important to prosecute criminal behavior (alleged criminal behavior) rather than let an out of control elected partisan (of any party) to continue to push the boundary of the law. Mr. Trump had said in the run up to his first (and only) eletion that he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and not experience consequences. Our system of laws are in place for all, not a few who can't afford to get charges dismissed or mount a good defense or those who have the power to sway their executive, legislative or judiciary peers.

It probably would have been better for the overall health of the country just to ignore Trump, focus on passing the torch to younger political talent in both major parties. That would bring fewer advertising dollars to the media companies, and it would not satisfy the craving for justice now. That is JMHO.

 

[Lilibet]

I can just hear Trump shouting in all caps “I WILL NOT BE IGNORED!!!” So good luck with that!

And IMO, even leaving the justice aspect out of this, it is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS to ignore Trump.

I, for one, want to know what he says at his rallies and on Xitter*. Now we know he will not “pivot” (as the talking heads predicted) and become “presidential.” He will be exactly what he appears to be, if not worse. He admires autocrats and dictators and has indicated that he has aspirations to be “President for life” as China’s Xi is. He has clearly stated that he will seek revenge on his enemies (anyone not loyal to him) if he is elected again. He circumvented the Senate by appointing “acting” cabinet secretaries who did not need to be confirmed. He plans to decimate the civil service and appoint his own people. There's more, but essentially he has shown himself to be a malignant narcissist who only cares about Donald Trump, which is a personality trait shared by other autocrats/dictators.

The media is right to give him attention. I was laughed at (in horror) when I predicted he would be nominated and win in 2016, and it's not beyond imagining that it could happen again in 2024. Ignore Donald Trump at your peril.

*Xitter—it occurred to me that “X” is pronounced “Sh” in some languages. Just saying. ;-)

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I agree, but I'll add from observations in my personal life, many supporters simply will not vote dem. Period. Not more complicated than that.

They support Trump not because they like him but because if he's in office that means a Dem is not.

And, they really aren't following these court cases other than to know DT keeps getting hit with them, so it's believable to them that they are politically motivated. They are smart and educated, but don't want to spend any time reading court documents and they'd rather just go with whatever candidate the GOP is offering.

They aren't the crowd to go to a rally or spend any energy defending the guy, but in the voting booth, they vote straight R down the ballot.

jmo

Absolutely! And that’s what the current polls reflect imo.

Biden and Trump are tied in the polls. Democrats have mixed feelings about it.

Donald Trump is polling even with President Joe Biden in a likely 2024 rematch, sparking mixed feelings among Democrats 14 months from Election Day.

news.yahoo.com