GUILTY GA - Jorelys Rivera, 7, Canton, 2 Dec 2011 - #4

[Crosby87]

Just joining in on this convo but have been following the case since it happened....does anybody know when Brunn's court date is? My heart breaks so bad for this poor innocent child......and her family RIP sweet girl

Here is a link which provides the latest developments in this case.

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A Cherokee County Grand Jury was to convene Monday, however, as of press time, Brunn had not been indicted.

Burns said an indictment likely is “months away.”

http://www.ledgernews.com/news/1108...urder-charge-case-not-presented-to-grand-jury

 

[vlpate]

Did you follow the Peterson 2 case? Lots of blood splatter was found.

Kathleen Peterson? That was a horribly bloody scene, but wasn't she going down the stairs? I heard today he was granted a new trial. Why would they waste tax payers money that way??

Anyway, I didn't say there wasn't blood spatter, but I think they maybe embellished, as reporters do, if they said there was blood on the "ceiling". Most of the newer apartments being built have 9 ft ceilings on the ground floor.

I didn't read a report that stated this, by the way, pretty sure I read it here somewhere.

 

[vlpate]

If blood was dripping from the victim when she was carried out of the vacant apartment, the officers would have found a trail of blood outside the apartment imo.

Baker said statements provided by witnesses indicate that the child returned to the park after getting the drinks so why didn't anyone see what happened to her next?

When asked if the soda cans were found and were being tested, Baker responded, “Property was collected; (we are) not going to divulge.” but I doubt the perp touched any of the soda cans because he wouldn't want to leave his fingerprints on them.

LE didn’t say whether the witnesses who claim Jorelys returned to the park are adults or children but imo, if an adult had been supervising the children at the playground, Jorelys would have been safe. The articles I read said only children and Jorelys’ friends were there.

“There is no indication that the babysitter was ever at the playground,” Baker said.

http://www.ledgernews.com/news/1108...urder-charge-case-not-presented-to-grand-jury

I respectfully disagree - this was dumb enough to throw her body in a trash compactor on the property and left the mattress with blood on it in the apartment - he was probably the last known to be in the apartment because someone had to have given him access. Besides, I don't think he would have to touch the cans, she touched them and they may have been left behind in the apartment.

Someone here said she was not put into a trash bag - is this from a report? Would he really have carried her out in his arms with blood all over her? Hard to imagine.

 

[Dee10]

I have read walls, but not ceiling(s) if someone has a link it would be appreciated ~ many thanks.

 

[vlpate]

RB was a gamer - does anyone know what kind of games he played? I don't play, but I was with a friend while he was shopping for a game and I was astounded at the sexist and violent themes of some of the games I watched being demonstrated. I think these games must desensitize kids to some extent - they take women as victims of violent crime and there are no consequences. I remember thinking at the time I would NEVER allow a son to play them.

 

[vlpate]

I don't know if it is required in GA, but here in Texas, if someone is murdered (dies violently), in an apartment, it has to be disclosed to future residents, of that apartment, for at least three years. I've had about three suicides that I can recall, and two of them we made into model apartments because neighbors always end up telling the new resident about the suicide and they freak out - rightfully so, IMO.

 

[tlcya]

Unless I have missed something no details of what she was wrapped in have been released. I am not even sure if it has been confirmed by GBI that she was wrapped in anything. I do feel it is very likely that she was, as you say, I find it hard to imagine him dragging or carrying her little beaten and bloody body to the dumpster, either on foot or in a golf cart.

 

[vlpate]

BBM and not that it even matters in this case as the crime scene apt is on the ground floor (right?)

I have lived in communities such as River Ridge "sandwiched" between 2 condos . . . my downstairs neighbors were loud talkers & I could often decipher what they were saying through my kitchen & bathroom floors (not carpeted).

I'm so thankful I don't have to live in an apt complex like those ! Did for many years . . .

I actually meant loud noises like banging around on the floor, violent thrashing, etc.,. I know living on the first floor it usually sounds like people on the second floor are bowling with iron balls when they are simply walking around. Kids playing is torture!

Interesting that you didn't have carpet on the second floor - just because carpet abates noise, most builders here only put plank floors (faux wood), on the first floor and carpet on the 2nd and 3rd (except in bath and kitchens).

I remember hearing more than "talking" in a few of the apartments I lived in. Sometimes I'd have to have a cigarette after the noise stopped. :floorlaugh:

 

[tlcya]

Just joining in on this convo but have been following the case since it happened....does anybody know when Brunn's court date is? My heart breaks so bad for this poor innocent child......and her family RIP sweet girl

I do not know whe Brunn's next court date is but wanted to say

Welcome

 

[Hickory Born]

RB was a gamer - does anyone know what kind of games he played? I don't play, but I was with a friend while he was shopping for a game and I was astounded at the sexist and violent themes of some of the games I watched being demonstrated. I think these games must desensitize kids to some extent - they take women as victims of violent crime and there are no consequences. I remember thinking at the time I would NEVER allow a son to play them.

How do you know he was a gamer?

 

[Hickory Born]

I don't know if it is required in GA, but here in Texas, if someone is murdered (dies violently), in an apartment, it has to be disclosed to future residents, of that apartment, for at least three years. I've had about three suicides that I can recall, and two of them we made into model apartments because neighbors always end up telling the new resident about the suicide and they freak out - rightfully so, IMO.

I do not think Georgia has this same law. I don't think apt management has to tell tenants anything about past crimes of any sort. But, I will tell you this...there have been lawsuits because apt management did not advise tenants of past crimes.

 

[tlcya]

How do you know he was a gamer?

He was apparently a member of several gamer sites. Others here have sleuthed them out. Given my recent computer crash and some concerns about viruses net wide as we face the new year, I myself have not checked them out.

 

[vlpate]

I do not think Georgia has this same law. I don't think apt management has to tell tenants anything about past crimes of any sort. But, I will tell you this...there have been lawsuits because apt management did not advise tenants of past crimes.

We don't have to advise tenants of all past crimes - if asked about crime on the property, we tell them to google or call the local PD and get statistics for the address. When I had tax credit properties, we were required to get the statistics every month (courtesy officers are usually cops and get them), and place them in a binder to be made available if someone asked to see them.

I'm interested in these lawsuits - are you sure they were not for crimes that occurred while the residents were residing in the apartments? If there is a rape on the property, or if there's a rash of burglaries or car thefts, we always send out a notice so that residents are aware and so they can take extra precautions, but we are not required by law to do so. We don't send out a notice every time a car is broken into or stolen - these things happen in any apartment community, good area or bad - it happens.

Of course they won't have to send out notices on this horrific incident - every time someone googles the name of the apartments, this will come up. They'll likely change the name within the year.

 

[bunky]

Kathleen Peterson? That was a horribly bloody scene, but wasn't she going down the stairs? I heard today he was granted a new trial. Why would they waste tax payers money that way??

Anyway, I didn't say there wasn't blood spatter, but I think they maybe embellished, as reporters do, if they said there was blood on the "ceiling". Most of the newer apartments being built have 9 ft ceilings on the ground floor.

I didn't read a report that stated this, by the way, pretty sure I read it here somewhere.

Yes, KP was going down the stairs. I remember the blood splatter was massive.

As far as Jorely's case, I now think reports about the amount of blood found was emblellished. Unless there were huge amounts of blood in the apartments that was washed and painted over. :waitasec: IDk, I'm afraid to even quess as to know how much time that would take.

 

[ClaireNC]

RB was a gamer - does anyone know what kind of games he played? I don't play, but I was with a friend while he was shopping for a game and I was astounded at the sexist and violent themes of some of the games I watched being demonstrated. I think these games must desensitize kids to some extent - they take women as victims of violent crime and there are no consequences. I remember thinking at the time I would NEVER allow a son to play them.

I have not seen any indication that RB was a gamer. Honestly, I don't think he was smart enough to be part of that sub-culture. Even if he was, what does that have to do with this case? I'm curious to hear your thoughts behind the question.

 

[vlpate]

I have not seen any indication that RB was a gamer. Honestly, I don't think he was smart enough to be part of that sub-culture. Even if he was, what does that have to do with this case? I'm curious to hear your thoughts behind the question.

If he was a gamer, and violence and victimizing women was an everyday occurrence to him, I think it would render him desensitized to violence....no accountability. Just a thought, not saying it's a major contribution, but what is at this point? We're just grasping at straws for answers.

 

[Crosby87]

I respectfully disagree - this was dumb enough to throw her body in a trash compactor on the property and left the mattress with blood on it in the apartment - he was probably the last known to be in the apartment because someone had to have given him access. Besides, I don't think he would have to touch the cans, she touched them and they may have been left behind in the apartment.

Someone here said she was not put into a trash bag - is this from a report? Would he really have carried her out in his arms with blood all over her? Hard to imagine.

1. Investigators said they believed that prior to her disappearance, Jorelys went into the apartment to grab some drinks for her friends. Baker said "statements provided by witnesses indicate that the child returned to the park after getting the drinks." so the soda cans were at the playground when Jorelys vanished. A reporter then asked Baker if the cans were found and Baker said yes and they were sent for testing.

I agree. The perp probably didn't touch the cans but nevertheless, they were collected by LE and sent for testing.


2. NG: Was the body of Jorely, was it in a trash bag?

NATISHA LANCE: We don`t know if the body was in a trash bag, Nancy, but I did speak to the GBI director today. What he told me is that the body was not visible when they pulled this dumpster from the apartment complex. And he also said that it took a lot of sifting in order to get down to the body. The body was contained in between heavily condensed garbage.

IMO if the body had been in a trash bag, the GBI director would not have used the word body through this dialogue with NL.

Today I watched the video which showed the crane removing the garbage bags that were in the compactor and there were thousands of bags. If Jorelys' body had been placed in a bag, my opinion is she may never have been found because it would have taken forever if LE was determined to sift through them all.

This information only suggests her body wasn't placed in a trash bag which turned out to be a costly mistake for the person who committed this crime.

There were more trash containers on site at the complex and I wonder if LE is still sifting through all the bags searching for other items of interest or whether because of the time and manpower it would take and level of difficulty, they called it off. Searching through all the bags would be like looking for a needle in a haystack and it's possible the perp threw the murder weapon somewhere else.

GBI said they sent what they believe to be blood found in the vacant apartment out for testing immediately and the lab technicians worked all night so they could have the results asap, so GBI have these results and know for certain whether it is Jorelys' blood that was in the vacant apartment.

I'm not sure what you mean in the opening sentence so could you please explain it to me?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/05/ng.01.html

http://www.ledgernews.com/news/1108...urder-charge-case-not-presented-to-grand-jury

 

[Jayarre]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/mayor-calling-review-handling-jorelys-rivera-case/nF38k/

Mayor calling for review into handling of Jorelys Rivera case

Video included.

 

[mrsu]

RE: the small amount of blood that was seen. I hate to think about this, but I think once he got her inside, he probably made small talk, then the blow to the head which is possibly where this small amount of blood came from? Then he took her into the bedroom and did whatever.

I realize it's reported that he stabbed her, but is there any scenario where there wouldn't be large amounts of blood? I just don't see RB getting rid of her and then coming back with a bucket of water and scrubbing down the walls. So I think whatever blood there was, was left over. Perhaps it was just on the mattress?

 

[mck16]

RE: the small amount of blood that was seen. I hate to think about this, but I think once he got her inside, he probably made small talk, then the blow to the head which is possibly where this small amount of blood came from? Then he took her into the bedroom and did whatever.

I realized it's reported that he stabbed her, but is there any scenario where there wouldn't be large amounts of blood? I just don't see RB getting rid of her and then coming back with a bucket of water and scrubbing down the walls. So I think whatever blood there was, was left over. Perhaps it was just on the mattress?

I think the blow to the head was the initial attack and it was done to silence her. That is why no one heard anything. I think it rendered her unconscious and this is when the actual sexual attack occurred. If she was stabbed I believe that was done in the course of the sexaul attack. Not sure about the binding of her legs or why the duct tape if this in fact was the case. Maybe just a precaution. These are the facts that LE has released and these are the only facts we know. I do not know who did this and I will not try to figure out RB's past or present to try to make him fit into this scenario.

Having said that I will add that I hope that LE has their man and I hope they have the proof to back that up. I just have not seen it and until I do I feel it could have been anyone who worked at the apts., who lived at the apts, or who visited the apts. I have not been convinced because there have not been enough facts released against RB. This is just my opinion and I can't in good conscious feel any other way. I wish I was sure of his guilt but I'm not.