GUILTY GA - Jorelys Rivera, 7, Canton, 2 Dec 2011 - #5

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Does this mean the GJ heard evidence on all 13 counts and RB will definitely be tried for everything he is accused of?
 
stillwatersc said:
Does this mean the GJ heard evidence on all 13 counts and RB will definitely be tried for everything he is accused of?
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Good question. I think that the GJ actually decides themselves what counts to indict on, so I'd think that, yes, they heard/saw evidence/witness testimony on each of these 13 counts. Don't know that the prosecuters have to try all 13. :waitasec:

We need a lawyer, stat!
 
OK, so this was his indictment, naming the acts of which he is being charged; and then the arraignment is where he pleas those charges? Why waste the time for two different settings? Or am I misunderstanding the definitions?
 
milagoddess said:
OK, so this was his indictment, naming the acts of which he is being charged; and then the arraignment is where he pleas those charges? Why waste the time for two different settings? Or am I misunderstanding the definitions?
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The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires that charges for all capital and "infamous" crimes be brought by an indictment returned by a grand jury. The amendment has been interpreted to require that an indictment be used to charge federal felonies, unless a defendant waives his or her right to be indicted by a grand jury

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Client.lawarea/categoryid/143

When the indictment was handed down, that would be the first he and his defense lawyer would know exactly what they're charging him with and perhaps a hint of what evidence prosocuters have. I'd assume he'd need some time to consult with his lawyer before he pleas. (Or plea bargains?)
 
Magdalyn said:
The indictment also indicates that Brunn had sexually explicit photographs of a young girl in his possession.

http://www.ajc.com/news/cherokee/canton-man-indicted-in-1298353.html
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Take this with grain of salt but someone I know that attended Jorelys' funeral and took food to tha family said they have been told he took pictures of Joreyls on his cell phone that day.

I bet it was when he had her bound up in the vacant apartment.

To say he is a monster is an understatement.:furious:

imo
 
My gut feeling questions at the age of 20 could/should there have been indicators or incidences prior to this. If this was sexually motivated, boys reach puberty at what age?

If there were photos as Atlanta Journal reported, did he send these photos to anyone via email, etc.?
 
The way in which she must have been tortured...he was an angry, vicious animal. (I don't want to say man or human) Was he angry at something in his past? He didn't seem like he had anger issues from the posts we saw on his FB. He sounded like a 20 year old kid. I wonder if he was angry at Joselinne... did he ask her out and she refused? Or maybe the babysitter? Jorelys was said to be happy all the time, friendly, certainly there was nothing she could have done to provoke anger (not that it would have made it ok in the least!!!). He had 30 days in which to choose this child as his victim, that doesn't seem like much time, IMO. It sounds though that he had it planned out from the objects used in her murder, ties, rag, tape, the blunt hammer-like object.

I hope to God Jorelys' momma doesn't have to see any of the pictures.
 
Here is a similar case for Georgia based on circumstantial evidence. This reminds me a little of the Jorelys Rivera situation. I am sure Ryan Brunn's case will go a lot smoother than Alexander Head's case, since the State has DNA evidence on Brunn.

Alexander Head vs. State of Georgia for the murder of Brandon Searcy, 1997.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-supreme-court/1223004.html
 
milagoddess said:
The way in which she must have been tortured...he was an angry, vicious animal. (I don't want to say man or human) Was he angry at something in his past? He didn't seem like he had anger issues from the posts we saw on his FB. He sounded like a 20 year old kid. I wonder if he was angry at Joselinne... did he ask her out and she refused? Or maybe the babysitter? Jorelys was said to be happy all the time, friendly, certainly there was nothing she could have done to provoke anger (not that it would have made it ok in the least!!!). He had 30 days in which to choose this child as his victim, that doesn't seem like much time, IMO. It sounds though that he had it planned out from the objects used in her murder, ties, rag, tape, the blunt hammer-like object.

I hope to God Jorelys' momma doesn't have to see any of the pictures.
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Personally, I don't think he was angry, per se. My gut says he's harbored pedophilic and sadistic fantasies for a long time, but because he lived at home, he was limited or unable to act out any of his secret urges. Then he's 'on his own' for a month AND has a vacant apartment ... Boom. Finally, at long last, he can act out his fantasy. Now all he had to do was pick a kid. Poor Jorelys fit the bill being so often at the playground unsupervised. He'd only need to work there a few days to see that she was never there with her mom or a sitter and that she was the easiest choice.

He could have planned how it'd go down while he was working (picking up garbage/running the compactor/painting apartments, etc.) I imagine he fantasized and planned a lot while doing his daily, uncomplicated tasks. He probably noticed that no one paid much attention to him at all, being the maintenance guy, and as he dumped his regular garbage (possibly driving large bags/boxes of garbage to compactor in his golf cart) he thought, "Wow. I could be dumping a body right now and no one would look at me twice! Easy Peasy!" :puke:

I do think he is an animal, and he's vicious, but I don't think there was anger there that instigated/triggered things, unless it was general 'I hate the universe/my adoptive mother who doesn't love me/the mom who gave me up/all the girls who won't date me/yaddah, yaddah, yaddah...'

I think this was his big twisted horrific fantasy.

But that's just my take on things. :seeya:
 
If he really did take her picture with his cell phone then he is a complete moron. Not only a sick monster, but a total idiot.
 
katydid23 said:
If he really did take her picture with his cell phone then he is a complete moron. Not only a sick monster, but a total idiot.
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I really don't feel like commenting on anything right now. I guess since this whole case is at a pivotal point, it kind of brings up more sad feelings in me.

I do agree if he did document the crime with a camera/cell phone then it just shows how naive and inexperienced he was.
 
According to CBS Atlanta Brunn was indicted on:

1. one count of murder
2. two counts of aggravated assault
3. two counts of aggravated battery
4. two counts of cruelty to children in the first degree.
5. one count of aggravated child molestation
6. one count of enticing a child for indecent purposes
7. one count of false imprisonment
8. one count of abandonment of a dead body
9. one count of making false statements
10.one count of sexual exploitation of children
 
I vaguely remember the Brandon Searcy case...and it's sad that there are not many articles to find on it. Just kind of like it got buried and it's over. :( I hope that never happens to Jorelys.
 
Out of curiosity, I looked up all the penalties in Georgia for the charges RB was indicted on.

I'll start with the 'lesser' offenses and work my way to the biggies (though they are all admittedly horrible.)

False Statements: Up to 12 months and 1,000 fine.

Abandonment of a Dead Body: 1 to 3 years.

False Imprisonment: 1-10 years.

Exploitation of a child: 1 to 20 years for each count.
(More than one 'picture'?)

Enticing a child: 1 to 20 years.

Aggravated Battery: 1-20 years.

Cruelty to Children 1st Dregree: 5-20 years.

Aggravated Child Molestation: 10-30 years.

Aggravated Assault (that involves the rape of a child less than 14 yrs):
25-50 years

Murder: Death or Life w/o Parole or 25 to Life.


I think I got those all correct-most if not all links where I found info below.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/FalseReporting.pdf

List of punishments for murder in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-31/chapter-21/article-3/31-21-44-2/

http://www.crawfordcriminaldefense.com/exploitation.html

http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/the-crime-of-false-imprisonment-in-georgia

http://law.onecle.com/georgia/16/16-5-70.html

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex06.htm

http://www.mygeorgiadefenselawyer.com/georgia-criminal-offenses-penalties/assault-and-battery/
 
Magdalyn said:
Good question. I think that the GJ actually decides themselves what counts to indict on, so I'd think that, yes, they heard/saw evidence/witness testimony on each of these 13 counts. Don't know that the prosecuters have to try all 13. :waitasec:

We need a lawyer, stat!
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I am have no doubt he will have the entire 13 charges against him in court when the indictment is read against him.

I have never seen a Prosecutor ignore any charges where a GJ true billed it.

Yes, they do hear evidence although it is minimal and not nearly what will be revealed in the trial.

IMO, they are going to affix the death penalty to this case.

It just meets too many prongs not to do so.

And I do think he will go to trial especially if the death penalty is applied.

He needs to try to plea out for LWOP and try to save his pathetic butt from Death Row but he may take his chances hoping for one lone wolf hold out.

IMO
 
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