GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 Jul 2021 #3

[PrairieWind]

Emma said that Katie used different routes when walking the dog. So if this was a targeted killing, specific to her by someone who knew her, that person must have followed her into the park. The article mentioned earlier stating that she must have been attacked right after entering the park is almost certainly not true.

 

[cuffem]

Because she was female and alone.

MOO

I am not sure I would consider her "alone" with a big pit bull with her. You would think walking with a Pitbull would be safe.

 

[Kittybunny]

Personally, I find it hard to believe that they would not have DNA from this attack, given the amount of cuts, the amount of blood and the fact that almost always in knife attacks the killer cuts themselves. There is no way that law enforcement would not have noticed that her partner, for example, had cuts on her hand and taken her DNA. I am not really sure why they will not clear her, but I find it hard to believe if she, or someone close to Katie, was responsible that they wouldn't have already made that arrest.

Which to me, makes it even more likely that it was a random stranger, which is what I have believed from the beginning.

 

[cuffem]

Personally, I find it hard to believe that they would not have DNA from this attack, given the amount of cuts, the amount of blood and the fact that almost always in knife attacks the killer cuts themselves. There is no way that law enforcement would not have noticed that her partner, for example, had cuts on her hand and taken her DNA. I am not really sure why they will not clear her, but I find it hard to believe if she, or someone close to Katie, was responsible that they wouldn't have already made that arrest.

Which to me, makes it even more likely that it was a random stranger, which is what I have believed from the beginning.

I agree that the perp could have some kind of cuts from a slippery knife or Katies defending herself by scratching or even a dog bite.

 

[cuffem]

This person had to have been covered in blood, how were they not seen? A car nearby or lived nearby?

 

[ElectricZZ]

Freaking scary. I noted that detail on the autopsy and wondered if that's what it meant, but hoped not. Warning: referring to autopsy below...

There were multiple incisions to her throat, along with stabs to her back that damaged her aorta and lung (iirc). Any of these injuries could have brought her near death, I would imagine, and for KJ's sake, I hope she was not conscious during the cutting. I just can't...

ETA: I highly suspect one of the first injuries made her unable to cry out. JMO

She also had a 4" cut down her <modsnip> 2.5" deep in a straight line from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock

 

[TL4S]

She also had a 4" cut down her <modsnip> 2.5" deep in a straight line from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock

I could go into graphic details about the dozens and dozens of other wounds the poor woman sustained, some of which are also sexual in nature, likely, but I'm not going to put it here, on a public forum. Imo, there were many wounds inflicted upon her that hint at what level of deranged individual committed this act.

 

[loyalangel]

All Comments By Me Are Only My Opinion

***Trigger Warning*** Discussing the Autopsy Results so please do not read if you have not already seen the autopsy results or are squeamish.

I just came to this case the other day when Katie's autopsy results were released. A few things struck me from that autopsy report.

1) The killer(s) appeared to not only be in a rage but it seems as if he/she wanted to obliterate or erase Katie. The mutilation of the face leads me to this opinion.

2) The killer(s) also attacked what made Katie female. Her breasts were mutilated. Could this be due to some type of jealousy or envy?

3) The killer(s) operated from a great source of rage: the overkill, the slashing of the throat and possible near decapitation, the stabbing of the cleft between the buttocks.

4) The killer(s) appeaed to have a strong reaction to Katie's multicolored tattoo. Was this a LGBT tattoo? If so, could the special attention paid to the tattoo with have to do with hate for the LGBT community or could it have something to do with someone(s) feeling Katie had betrayed that community and had no right to wear such a tattoo?

5) At 5'5 and 155lbs and a BMI of 26 Katie was in no way fat. She wasn't what one would call skinny, perhaps, but she certainly wasn't fat. What if "FAT" did not mean overweight but was actually an acronym for a phrase? If we knew more about Katie's politics (and perhaps who she may have angered with her politics), we might be able to get a clearer picture. Her partner, Emma, said Katie was very political and vocal about it, attempting to gently persuade others to her point of view.

6) Per the autopsy, there was a long medial incision from below Katie's sternum to her groin and she had been eviscerated. Her pants and undergarment had been pulled down to her knees. Was this staging, was it an attempt to humiliate/expose the victim, was the killer(s) planning to rape Katie or was the killer(s) planning to inflict damage on Katie's groin and got scared away by passerby? If so, could this have been another attempt to eradicate what made her female?

7) This much 0verkill, this much rage, the mutilation and the carving of letters on Katie's body makes me think this was not random. Add to that, that the killer(s) decided to knife-attack someone who was with a pitbull, a tenacious dog that will shake off pain and fight to the death. In my opinion, Katie may have been targeted.

All of the above is My Opinion Only.

 

[cuffem]

All Comments By Me Are Only My Opinion

***Trigger Warning*** Discussing the Autopsy Results so please do not read if you have not already seen the autopsy results or are squeamish.

I just came to this case the other day when Katie's autopsy results were released. A few things struck me from that autopsy report.

1) The killer(s) appeared to not only be in a rage but it seems as if he/she wanted to obliterate or erase Katie. The mutilation of the face leads me to this opinion.

2) The killer(s) also attacked what made Katie female. Her breasts were mutilated. Could this be due to some type of jealousy or envy?

3) The killer(s) operated from a great source of rage: the overkill, the slashing of the throat and possible near decapitation, the stabbing of the cleft between the buttocks.

4) The killer(s) appeaed to have a strong reaction to Katie's multicolored tattoo. Was this a LGBT tattoo? If so, could the special attention paid to the tattoo with have to do with hate for the LGBT community or could it have something to do with someone(s) feeling Katie had betrayed that community and had no right to wear such a tattoo?

5) At 5'5 and 155lbs and a BMI of 26 Katie was in no way fat. She wasn't what one would call skinny, perhaps, but she certainly wasn't fat. What if "FAT" did not mean overweight but was actually an acronym for a phrase? If we knew more about Katie's politics (and perhaps who she may have angered with her politics), we might be able to get a clearer picture. Her partner, Emma, said Katie was very political and vocal about it, attempting to gently persuade others to her point of view.

6) Per the autopsy, there was a long medial incision from below Katie's sternum to her groin and she had been eviscerated. Her pants and undergarment had been pulled down to her knees. Was this staging, was it an attempt to humiliate/expose the victim, was the killer(s) planning to rape Katie or was the killer(s) planning to inflict damage on Katie's groin and got scared away by passerby? If so, could this have been another attempt to eradicate what made her female?

7) This much 0verkill, this much rage, the mutilation and the carving of letters on Katie's body makes me think this was not random. Add to that, that the killer(s) decided to knife-attack someone who was with a pitbull, a tenacious dog that will shake off pain and fight to the death. In my opinion, Katie may have been targeted.

All of the above is My Opinion Only.

Nice first post and Welcome!

 

[loyalangel]

Nice first post and Welcome!

Thank you for the warm welcome!

 

[cuffem]

With how brutal this crime was there has to be some kind of DNA or physical evidence left at the scene. Maybe LE is not releasing that info atm.

 

[MntnHiker]

What I just can't get over is, with how absolutely brutal this murder was, this killer had to have been covered in blood themselves, potentially even cutting themselves. How were they not seen by anyone? I know it was late at night, but even at that hour, a handful of people were picked up on cameras near the park. So some people were out and about, and I feel like in large cities, more people tend to be out doing stuff later. How did this person get away? You'd think of someone walked past a person covered in blood late that night that they would have come forward to LE (unless they did and we just haven't been told).

 

[cuffem]

What I just can't get over is, with how absolutely brutal this murder was, this killer had to have been covered in blood themselves, potentially even cutting themselves. How were they not seen by anyone? I know it was late at night, but even at that hour, a handful of people were picked up on cameras near the park. So some people were out and about, and I feel like in large cities, more people tend to be out doing stuff later. How did this person get away? You'd think of someone walked past a person covered in blood late that night that they would have come forward to LE (unless they did and we just haven't been told).

I also thought about this, maybe a car parked nearby or lived close by and in a location without cameras or public.
How do you not leave any DNA or evidence with such contact with her and the dog?

 

[K.jill]

Lengthy article.
‘She Was Still Alive’: Forensics Expert Says Disturbed Piedmont Park Killer Tortured Victim Alive Before Killing Her
by Sheryl McCollum, Contributor
November 17, 2021 rbbm.
''This attack had to have started right after Katie entered the park. Where Bowie was found suggests he was killed first and Katie likely tried to run away, but the killer caught her after about 100 steps. ''

''She had numerous cuts and stab wounds to her hands. These are called defensive wounds because the victim is trying to stop the attacker from stabbing her face, chest, or other vital areas. The autopsy report reveals that Katie was stabbed over 50 times on her head, face, neck, chest, hands, and back.''

''The killer also took the time to crave letters into Katie’s torso. The letters F, A, and T. Craving letters or words into a victim is for the psychological gratification of the killer. This action has nothing to do with accomplishing a murder.

This murder gets more shocking. Former medical examiner and forensics investigator JoScott Morgan tells me according to the autopsy, Katie was alive while these letters are begin craved into her body! She was still alive while this killer tortured her which Morgan says, “is indicative of the hemorrhage is Antemortem meaning these injuries occurred before death.”

JoScott Morgan has worked thousands of homicides from domestics to serial killers. This case is more sinister than most.

“This killer took extra time to write on this live victim. Pull her pants down. Stab her more than 50 times. They had some skill with instrumentation,” Morgan said. “Was this killer using a medical tool or multiple edge weapons”?

''The Atlanta Police have worked tirelessly night and day to try and solve this murder. They brought in the FBI’s BAU for assistance. Literally, the best in the world is working on this case.


But we also know Atlanta has a killer on the loose who can murder at a sinful level of twisted wicked evilness and must be captured.''

Oh! There are no words. Horrific. Heartbreaking. Evil.

 

[K.jill]

I have not posted in a while because I wanted to take a break from thinking about this case. It hits close to home for me.
Anyway, I am still processing the autopsy report but there are a few things I would like to say:
- FAT -I knew about the letters from very early on but I did not know the F &A were separated from the T. Could that be significant? A couple of months ago i had an idea about an alternative meaning to the letters but I can not remember! Frustrating. Anyway, I wonder if the letters might have a different meaning other than body fat.
—the more I learn about this case the more I think that the timeline is off. The easiest explanation for this would be that 1209 timestamp at the crosswalk was really 1109.
Even then the timeline would be tight, imo.
——I read a few posts asking if Katie and Bowie could have been killed elsewhere and dropped where they were found. As far as I know there is no evidence of that and it goes against occam’s razar. But, I think they may have been killed somewhere else. My theory is that they were abducted/initially attacked closer to Henrys. This is only my speculation! There is no evidence to support it so please remember that.
———there would have been a tremendous amount of blood from all of those cuts. How could the killer have seen in the dark thru all of the blood to cut legible letters into flesh?
Thinking about this makes me sick and so very angry!!!

Bumping this from yesterday i think they may have been killed somewhere else. I know it seems crazy but this attack, the details we have learned.. if they attack happened where they were found someone should have seen or heard something. This attack took some time. They were found in a very public location. Also, there have not been any reports of witnesses seeing a blood soaked person in the area or a trail of blood leading away from the scene.

 

[K.jill]

Piquerism? Does this apply?

As part of a wider research project into paraphilic disorders and homicide, a case is presented of a piquerist who achieved sexual satisfaction through the infliction of stabbing wounds. Against a background of sexual domination with willing and unwilling sexual partners, the offender stabbed four men to death. A study of the resulting autopsy reports, in association with the offender's testimony and crime scene documentation, was undertaken to discern a piquerist crime scene signature. An excessive number of stabbing wounds, the targeting of sexual areas, and a variation in wound size and depth were found to be evidence of piquerism. Although there was opportunity to commit a sexual assault upon victims, the preference was to penetrate them with a knife. It is contended that, even without any evidence of sexual assault at a crime scene, a knife wound analysis can reveal a sexual motivation in some cases of homicide.

Piquerism in homicide: A knife wound analysis of a sexually motivated serial killer

I think it does apply.

 

[AtlantaBourne]

She also had a 4" cut down her <modsnip> 2.5" deep in a straight line from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock

<modsnip > This act leads me to speculate the killer has professional training in animal slaughter & would also have no qualms of killing Bowie. KJ was wearing a belt that was still in the belt loops of her jeans. I pray there is DNA on that belt buckle.
I find it odd there were no injuries noted on the autopsy report below the hips. I found this remarkable. IMO.

 

[JayLee#99]

Welcome to the thread JayLee#99!
Autopsy report for Atlanta woman released after she and her dog were killed over the summer | Daily Mail Online
''Woman found mutilated along with her dog at Atlanta park had been stabbed more than 50 times, had her throat cut and had FAT carved into her body

• The autopsy report for Atlanta woman Katherine 'Katie' Janness, 40, was released on Friday after she was killed over the summer
• Janness's body and her dead dog Bowie were found by her girlfriend Emma Clark at Piedmont Park on July 28
• The report revealed Janness had died from sharp force injuries of her face, neck and torso and was ruled a homicide
• She had been stabbed more than 50 times and the letters 'F', 'A', and 'T' carved into her torso
• Clark was believed to have been involved with the murder by the public after her girlfriend's body was discovered
• The Atlanta Police Department, however, have said they had no current leads on suspects after Clark had asked them to help clear her name
• The case remains under investigation by the APD and FBI

Autopsy Report Says Atlanta Woman Was Stabbed 50 Times and Had the Letters 'F,' 'A,' 'T' Carved into Her Chest
''A chilling new autopsy report reveals that the Atlanta woman killed while walking her dog this summer was stabbed 50 times — including 15 times in the face — and had the letters "F," "A," and "T" carved into her chest.

Katie Janness, 40, was killed on July 28, 2021, while walking her dog, Bowie, in Piedmont Park in Atlanta, according to the Atlanta Police Department.

Officers responded to reports of the stabbing at about 1:10 a.m. after Janness' longtime partner, Emma Clark, discovered her body at the entrance of the public park, ABC News and 11 Alive report.

Janness was last seen on surveillance footage walking Bowie near the rainbow crosswalk at 10th Street and Piedmont Ave, police said.

Clark went looking for her when she failed to come home.

RELATED: 'There Is a Monster On the Loose': FBI Investigates Murder of Atlanta Woman and Dog She Was Walking

Clark found Janness, who was pronounced dead at the scene, which authorities described as "gruesome," according to 11 Alive.

Bowie was also killed.

No suspect has been identified in the stabbing.''

Thank you so much! You are the best!

 

[Doriansay]

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Bumping this from yesterday i think they may have been killed somewhere else. I know it seems crazy but this attack, the details we have learned.. if they attack happened where they were found someone should have seen or heard something. This attack took some time. They were found in a very public location. Also, there have not been any reports of witnesses seeing a blood soaked person in the area or a trail of blood leading away from the scene.

I understand your reservations, but think transporting the bodies would have been far messier than simply fleeing considering what state they were in. Maybe the perpetrator changed shirts and tossed the dirty clothes into whatever they were carrying the weapon in?

I’m not sure killing off site and then packing up two badly mutilated bodies to drop off in the park would be much cleaner? You’d face the same problem with blood trails but to a more intense degree than in a scenario where the perp simply ran away. How would the perpetrator get both bodies to the park without being seen? Park on the street and then lug each body in individually?

It’s definitely possible that they were killed offsite but I’m not entirely sure how practical it is. I thin the lack of noise is due to the fact that she was maybe quickly incapacitated and unable to scream due to the neck injury. I’m sure the dog would have made noises but people could have written it off as a dog simply barking.

 

[nao]

<modsnip> This act leads me to speculate the killer has professional training in animal slaughter & would also have no qualms of killing Bowie. KJ was wearing a belt that was still in the belt loops of her jeans. I pray there is DNA on that belt buckle.
I find it odd there were no injuries noted on the autopsy report below the hips. I found this remarkable. IMO.

Could be that the stabber was straddling KJ's thighs. So then all wounds would be above hips. Moo