GA GA - Katherine Janness & Dog Bowie Fatally Stabbed - Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 2021 #5

[AtlantaBourne]

So I saw one of the recent videos on this case, put out by Nancy Grace. And one of her long time guests theorized this was the action of a mentally ill person, because it was so outrageous. However I think there are a few elements that don't support that. One, is the meticulous nature of the mutilation, that I wrote about above. Two, the fact that the perp ran after the victim. I think most mentally ill people are not organized enough, and fit enough, to run after a victim. I don't think their short attention span would lead to that. Their violence would come in short bursts.

And three, look at the ability of the perp to dodge all the cameras. Judging by the testimony of the girlfriend of the position of the dog, Katie was attacked very close to the entrance of the Charles Allen gate. The sec camera, that we all saw footage of, goes very close to that spot. What are the odds that the crime happened... just ...out of range of the camera? Like within feet probably. And that this perp never wandered through the gate, that was right there, back and forth a few times, maybe looking around, like a disorganized mentally ill person would? Which of course would put him on camera. But somehow this disorganized mentally ill person, managed to avoid the camera that was right there? I don't think so.

So another thing we should do is, look for other murders in the area, where the perp skillfully avoided any security cameras. For example, when they were not functioning for some reason, when they should have been. A criminal who is aware on how to avoid cameras or to manipulate cameras. That is another element we should look for.

Regarding other murders in the area, this occurred a few days ago 1.8 miles from CA gate & 10th.
From atlantapd.org news releases:

Homicide: 243 Montgomery Ferry Rd NE.​

Post Date:07/06/2024 12:34 PM
241871901
Preliminary Information: On 7/5/24, around 8pm, officers responded to a person stabbed call at the location of 243 Montgomery Ferry Rd NE. When officers arrived on scene, they located an unidentified deceased male with multiple stab wounds. Grady EMS arrived on scene and pronounced the male deceased. Homicide detectives and multiple discretionary units responded to the scene to canvass the area for a suspect. Zone 6 FIT Units observed a subject matching the description of the suspect. He was detained and identified as William Coleman. (DOB 5/97) Coleman was found to be wanted by the Department of Corrections for Escape. He was taken into custody and transported back to APD HQ for further questioning. After further investigation, Coleman was charged with Murder, Aggravated Assault, and Possession of a Knife during the Commission of a Felony.
Please keep in mind the above information is preliminary in nature and can change as the investigation progresses and new information comes to light.

I also did research on Semmie Lee Williams of FL
Semmie Williams Jr. Indictment | PDF - Scribd
www.scribd.com › document › Semmie-...
MOO

 

[RetLawyer]

Did the article give details about the number and time of stab wounds? Assuming Katie’s murderer is a sexual sadist, it would be unusual for him to kill a man. But if the stabbing has similar aspects to it as Katie’s, it could be very interesting.

 

[AtlantaBourne]

Did the article give details about the number and time of stab wounds? Assuming Katie’s murderer is a sexual sadist, it would be unusual for him to kill a man. But if the stabbing has similar aspects to it as Katie’s, it could be very interesting.

Yes. I found this very interesting IMO. This is all the info that has been released by LE & MSM. I find it interesting as to the alledged suspect was escaped from prison. What prison, incarcerated for what, how long was suspect in prison & how long ago did he escape? Victim has not been publicly id'd.
MOO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Noting, 14 year old trans girl dismembered.

PA- Pauly Likens Jr., 14, trans, stabbed & dismembered, LE still recovering body parts, Shenango River Lake, 22/6/24, *Arrest- DaShawn Watkins, 29*

. 17 July (Lower) Court Date* Mercer County Court Docket: *https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/MdjDocketSheet?docketNumber=MJ-35201-CR-0000330-2024&dnh=UrX+iCVIebt5Ta14CI/J4A== NBC...

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Yes this is interesting, but I still don't think it's the same type of stuff that we have with this Atlanta killing. It's the precise mutilation that makes it different in the Atlantic case.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

That is about what I came up with. Allowing for the dog stopping to sniff stuff, etc, I put them reaching the CA gate area around 12:27 or so. Maybe a few minutes later if they entered from the 12th st entrance. The jogger enters the gate about 12:46 I believe. So that gives a 15 minute window for the attack, which I think is ample time. I am thinking that it maybe didn't take as long as some people think and I do suspect that the killer might have been interrupted before he was finished. Whether that was by the jogger or Emma arriving, or someone else, I don't know. I would love to know what the jogger told the police.

I don't think the jogger necessarily interrupted anything. Probably the jogger wanted the bathroom, he saw it closed and ran out. The crime scene was further up. They were low to the ground. Maybe behind a tree or bush. And I dont think the perp would get scared off so easy. So the murder could have gone on longer than that.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Regarding other murders in the area, this occurred a few days ago 1.8 miles from CA gate & 10th.
From atlantapd.org news releases:

Homicide: 243 Montgomery Ferry Rd NE.​

Post Date:07/06/2024 12:34 PM
241871901
Preliminary Information: On 7/5/24, around 8pm, officers responded to a person stabbed call at the location of 243 Montgomery Ferry Rd NE. When officers arrived on scene, they located an unidentified deceased male with multiple stab wounds. Grady EMS arrived on scene and pronounced the male deceased. Homicide detectives and multiple discretionary units responded to the scene to canvass the area for a suspect. Zone 6 FIT Units observed a subject matching the description of the suspect. He was detained and identified as William Coleman. (DOB 5/97) Coleman was found to be wanted by the Department of Corrections for Escape. He was taken into custody and transported back to APD HQ for further questioning. After further investigation, Coleman was charged with Murder, Aggravated Assault, and Possession of a Knife during the Commission of a Felony.
Please keep in mind the above information is preliminary in nature and can change as the investigation progresses and new information comes to light.

I also did research on Semmie Lee Williams of FL
Semmie Williams Jr. Indictment | PDF - Scribd
www.scribd.com › document › Semmie-...
MOO

No I don't think it's the same type of quality.

 

[PrairieWind]

I don't think the jogger necessarily interrupted anything. Probably the jogger wanted the bathroom, he saw it closed and ran out. The crime scene was further up. They were low to the ground. Maybe behind a tree or bush. And I dont think the perp would get scared off so easy. So the murder could have gone on longer than that.

I doubt the jogger saw the attack taking place. If someone interrupted the killer, I think it was likely someone else. But, I think what the jogger saw, or DIDN"T see, is relevant. I do agree he might have been wanting to use the bathroom there, or maybe jog in the park, no idea. But Bowie's body would have visible to him in the road as he entered (he was about 50 ft inside the gate), if it was there. Did he see it and then decide to leave? Or did he NOT see it and perhaps the attack occurred after? I just would love to know what he told police. He reportedly gave at least 2 interviews to the police.

 

[RetLawyer]

I doubt the jogger saw the attack taking place. If someone interrupted the killer, I think it was likely someone else. But, I think what the jogger saw, or DIDN"T see, is relevant. I do agree he might have been wanting to use the bathroom there, or maybe jog in the park, no idea. But Bowie's body would have visible to him in the road as he entered (he was about 50 ft inside the gate), if it was there. Did he see it and then decide to leave? Or did he NOT see it and perhaps the attack occurred after? I just would love to know what he told police. He reportedly gave at least 2 interviews to the police.

That’s interesting that he gave at least 2 interviews. The jogger had on that head lamp which could have keep him looking straight forward. However, his peripheral vision could have picked up some movement that with the police drawing His attention to it in an interview the jogger may have been able to recall it. IMO Bowie had been killed and Katie had been murdered or nearly so when the jogger went into the park. It is curious tho that he went into the park given he came out and continued his run in the same direction he was headed when he entered. I would love to know anything about the murder!

 

[AtlantaBourne]

That’s interesting that he gave at least 2 interviews. The jogger had on that head lamp which could have keep him looking straight forward. However, his peripheral vision could have picked up some movement that with the police drawing His attention to it in an interview the jogger may have been able to recall it. IMO Bowie had been killed and Katie had been murdered or nearly so when the jogger went into the park. It is curious tho that he went into the park given he came out and continued his run in the same direction he was headed when he entered. I would love to know anything about the murder!

IMO interesting about the jogger running in then out then down the street. Another pic of him jogging a few minutes later on the beltline near Monroe Dr. My point is he could have jogged to Monroe Dr & the beltline if he had continued on into the park. So what made him turn around & exit? IMO did someone say, you better get outta here now.?

Attached is a pic of that section of PP taken in 2021. The fork in the service road & the circle or donut is the focus point. Just above the circle & to the left of the fork under the tree closest to the roadway is where the wtf guy placed flowers in a vase the following day (there is a white square & blue square just across from that tree). All local MSM covered this stating this is where KJ was found by EC. The path going to the left of the circle winds it way down thru 'The Meadows" & then up to Monroe Dr. & the beltline (this is the way the jogger could have taken to get off the street IMO). A little more to the left on the service road is where the bathrooms are located under tree cover. All the way to left you can barely see 10th St. verticle to the service road. This roadway ends at the CA gate & 10th St.
JMOO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

IMO interesting about the jogger running in then out then down the street. Another pic of him jogging a few minutes later on the beltline near Monroe Dr. My point is he could have jogged to Monroe Dr & the beltline if he had continued on into the park. So what made him turn around & exit? IMO did someone say, you better get outta here now.?

Attached is a pic of that section of PP taken in 2021. The fork in the service road & the circle or donut is the focus point. Just above the circle & to the left of the fork under the tree closest to the roadway is where the wtf guy placed flowers in a vase the following day (there is a white square & blue square just across from that tree). All local MSM covered this stating this is where KJ was found by EC. The path going to the left of the circle winds it way down thru 'The Meadows" & then up to Monroe Dr. & the beltline (this is the way the jogger could have taken to get off the street IMO). A little more to the left on the service road is where the bathrooms are located under tree cover. All the way to left you can barely see 10th St. verticle to the service road. This roadway ends at the CA gate & 10th St.View attachment 516603
JMOO

Yes thanks for the picture and the explanation as to where the crime scene was. I actually had the wrong idea about where the scene was. I thought it was on the right side of path. Now I am corrected. Well as you can see, there's a lot of tree cover there. So even though the one guy placed the flowers there, right on the roadway, it doesn't mean the body was not found a little bit further in, as in behind the treeline. I mean, even just behind a tree a bit, would make a big difference in terms of visibility.

Probably the jogger wanted to go to the bathroom, I don't know, do they have a water fountain there? He either saw the bathroom was closed and or got his drink of water, and left. He probably did not want to jog through a closed empty park in the middle of the night. And yes maybe he did see the dog there, and that impacted his decision to get out of there.

But yeah judging by your map, I don't think the jogger got close to the scene.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

I doubt the jogger saw the attack taking place. If someone interrupted the killer, I think it was likely someone else. But, I think what the jogger saw, or DIDN"T see, is relevant. I do agree he might have been wanting to use the bathroom there, or maybe jog in the park, no idea. But Bowie's body would have visible to him in the road as he entered (he was about 50 ft inside the gate), if it was there. Did he see it and then decide to leave? Or did he NOT see it and perhaps the attack occurred after? I just would love to know what he told police. He reportedly gave at least 2 interviews to the police.

I agree with you that the jogger did not see the attack. And even if the jogger saw the dog there, he probably had no idea what it meant. But yes, maybe it did impact his decision to get out of there. I'm sure it looked, not very pleasant.

 

[Valiant]

I think the timeline estimates could be off and the killer might have had more time that proposed above.
The rainbow crosswalk image had the timestamp removed after first showing 12:09. Why? Is it possible that time displayed was not correct?
If it was correct, a lot of time is missing between leaving Henry's at about 11:30. Google shows that as about a 4 minute walk, even adding the dog it would likely not take almost 40 minutes unless there was another stop we don't know about.
If the timestamp is wrong, she could have crossed the crosswalk around 11:30-11:45. The add another 10-15 minutes and she could have been near the incident scene as early as 11:40 to midnight.

 

[AtlantaBourne]

I think the timeline estimates could be off and the killer might have had more time that proposed above.
The rainbow crosswalk image had the timestamp removed after first showing 12:09. Why? Is it possible that time displayed was not correct?
If it was correct, a lot of time is missing between leaving Henry's at about 11:30. Google shows that as about a 4 minute walk, even adding the dog it would likely not take almost 40 minutes unless there was another stop we don't know about.
If the timestamp is wrong, she could have crossed the crosswalk around 11:30-11:45. The add another 10-15 minutes and she could have been near the incident scene as early as 11:40 to midnight.

The times that were stated in MSM interviews or seen on camera releases have always been out of sync IMO. EC stated in 1 interview she was not sure of the 11:30pm time of KJ coming by Henry's because she was working, training someone, closing & IMO that 11:30pm would have been the time EC normally got off work on a Tues nite due to Henry's closing at 11:00pm. That lead me to consider KJ had thought about walking home with EC when she got off work & why she may have been walking around waiting for EC to leave at 12:30am. I also considered the time KJ started her walk with B possibly thinking at some point EC would meet up with them on her way home from Henry's (around 11:30) & that's why she went by there when that didn't happen.

AMOO

 

[GeorgiaPeach1]

I thought this was interesting...it may not have any relevance but there is a Georgia Department of Corrections facility less than a mile from where Katie lived and the Charles Allen entrance. I've lived in Atlanta for more than 25 years and pass by this at least once a week and never realized it's essentially a correctional facility in the middle of the city. Last week, an escaped inmate ended up stabbing someone to death on a trail about 3 miles away. Just made me wonder who was being housed at that facility during the July 2021 murder.

Neighbors learn of nearby inmate transitional center

 

[GeorgiaPeach1]

It would make sense that rr wld close in tandem to park hours.
I wonder if that’s always the case though—or if there are known work arounds by ppl who use them/are in the park at night. Could the door be held open by something or wld that disable it altogether?

I have passed through Piedmont Park at night, after 10 pm, and the regular restrooms are open and unlocked. However, the automated "robot" bathroom by the CA entrance locks automatically at a certain time. If the theory is that the murder happened in a bathroom, it probably wouldn't have been in the automated bathroom by the entrance, but it could have taken place in another restroom in the park.

There would have been a lot of evidence in those restrooms, but the police have not released much information, so we don't know all the areas in the park that were connected to the crime.

I’ve always felt like this murder happened by the lake or that the perp washed off in the lake after the crime.

 

[PrairieWind]

The times that were stated in MSM interviews or seen on camera releases have always been out of sync IMO. EC stated in 1 interview she was not sure of the 11:30pm time of KJ coming by Henry's because she was working, training someone, closing & IMO that 11:30pm would have been the time EC normally got off work on a Tues nite due to Henry's closing at 11:00pm. That lead me to consider KJ had thought about walking home with EC when she got off work & why she may have been walking around waiting for EC to leave at 12:30am. I also considered the time KJ started her walk with B possibly thinking at some point EC would meet up with them on her way home from Henry's (around 11:30) & that's why she went by there when that didn't happen.

AMOO

Responding to you and Valiant's posts about the time. I have wondered about the time stamp as well. Was it accurate. But APD posted that photo and said that was the last time she was seen alive (at that time - we don't know if they have subsequently found other vid/photo evidence of her) and they have never come back and said the time stamp was wrong. Which, I feel they would do. So I am inclined (though not 100% certain) to believe the 12:09 time is correct.
As for KJ's activities. I do think EC has said she isn't certain about the 11:30 time, but I am guessing it is in the ball park. But yes, there is a lag between then and 12:09 in the Rainbow crosswalk. but in that photo, she and Bowie are crossing south to north. Henry's is on the north side. So they are not coming straight from Henry's or they would have already been on the north side of the street. So she and Bowie went somewhere after stopping to see Emma. Maybe just wondering. But then headed for the park at 12:09.

Now, that does bring up a question for me as to "why?" They had already been out on a long walk. So I also thought maybe KJ was just killing time to wait for Emma to get off so they could walk back together. But that seems odd too because she would have arrived at CA gate at 12:25-12:30, the time Emma would have been getting off work. Odd.

 

[AtlantaBourne]

<modsip - quoted post was removed for opinion stated as fact & copyright violations - refers to post about inmate transitional post a few up>
Yes. I know this place. It's on Ponce de Leon Ave very close to the other end of Charles Allen (CA). I know it as a half-way house to assist male inmates just released from prison to transition back into society with job assistance & counseling, etc. Great observation.
JMOO

 

[AtlantaBourne]

Responding to you and Valiant's posts about the time. I have wondered about the time stamp as well. Was it accurate. But APD posted that photo and said that was the last time she was seen alive (at that time - we don't know if they have subsequently found other vid/photo evidence of her) and they have never come back and said the time stamp was wrong. Which, I feel they would do. So I am inclined (though not 100% certain) to believe the 12:09 time is correct.
As for KJ's activities. I do think EC has said she isn't certain about the 11:30 time, but I am guessing it is in the ball park. But yes, there is a lag between then and 12:09 in the Rainbow crosswalk. but in that photo, she and Bowie are crossing south to north. Henry's is on the north side. So they are not coming straight from Henry's or they would have already been on the north side of the street. So she and Bowie went somewhere after stopping to see Emma. Maybe just wondering. But then headed for the park at 12:09.

Now, that does bring up a question for me as to "why?" They had already been out on a long walk. So I also thought maybe KJ was just killing time to wait for Emma to get off so they could walk back together. But that seems odd too because she would have arrived at CA gate at 12:25-12:30, the time Emma would have been getting off work. Odd.

IMO KJ & B might have crossed 10th St in front of Henry's, when they left, at the corner of Juniper & 10th because it's safer looking on that South side, more street lights, wider sidewalk, avoid the large parking lot & closed businesses where people sleep in the shadows. Campagnola's is also on that side of the street near the rainbow crosswalk & Piedmont Ave.
But IMO the reason she & Bowie ended up where they did makes no sense.
AMOO

 

[PrairieWind]

IMO KJ & B might have crossed 10th St in front of Henry's, when they left, at the corner of Juniper & 10th because it's safer looking on that South side, more street lights, wider sidewalk, avoid the large parking lot & closed businesses where people sleep in the shadows. Campagnola's is also on that side of the street near the rainbow crosswalk & Piedmont Ave.
But IMO the reason she & Bowie ended up where they did makes no sense.
AMOO

I wondered about that, she just preferred the south side of the street for what ever reason. I would think however that if she had stopped at Campagnola's we would have heard from someone to that effect, but we havent. It is possible that that staff is just staying quiet, but I would suspect someone would have said something by now. So I am thinking she must have just walked around a bit after leaving Henry's before heading to the park. Is there anything else over in that area she might have wanted to walk by? Her phone data should show the police where she went, so I am guessing they know. Was she texting or talking to anyone during that time? Certainly the police know, but it hasn't helped.

 

[GeorgiaPeach1]

I wondered about that, she just preferred the south side of the street for what ever reason. I would think however that if she had stopped at Campagnola's we would have heard from someone to that effect, but we havent. It is possible that that staff is just staying quiet, but I would suspect someone would have said something by now. So I am thinking she must have just walked around a bit after leaving Henry's before heading to the park. Is there anything else over in that area she might have wanted to walk by? Her phone data should show the police where she went, so I am guessing they know. Was she texting or talking to anyone during that time? Certainly the police know, but it hasn't helped.

I've always felt that the time Emma provided might be inaccurate. If you asked me what time I left a restaurant last night, I couldn't give you an exact answer either. I'm not suggesting she intentionally gave the wrong time, but I often need to check text messages to recall the timing of events. If Katie left the restaurant closer to 11:45 pm or 11:50 pm, it would make sense for her to be at the crosswalk by 12:09 am.

My dog loves to sniff around and explore and I'm able to walk at a much faster pace when he's not with me. It's possible Katie was letting Bowie explore, use the bathroom, etc. on their walk to kill time. I still think she was lingering in the area for some reason. I'm really surprised she wasn't captured on the camera outside of 150 Tenth Street. There are two camera's on the outside of that building and yes they were there in 2021.

There is also a camera in front of the fire station. IMO if she walked straight down 10th street to the crosswalk, she is on camera prior to getting to the crosswalk. But, she might have left Henry's and went down Juniper, turned right on 11th Street, turned right on Piedmont and then used the Rainbow crosswalk. That route would've taken longer than simply walking a block down 10th to the crosswalk. Also, just by using Google maps, I don't see any cameras on that route either. Not saying there aren't any but I didn't see any pointed at the street like the ones on 10th street.