GUILTY GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 #10

[tut med]

Given how strict the Air Force's requirements are for pilots, this could be something as simple as a medical disqualification.
Eye exam, heart murmur, failing some G-force test, etc... :twocents:

Had a friend that had the something happen to him. It was a minor flaw with his eyes.

 

[Knox]

PsychoMom - this is what I am talking about - Looking at the trees and not the forest.

Thad Money is a law abiding citizen.
Thad Money has not been charged with murder and dismemberment, 2 counts of burglary, or 7 counts of child pornagraphy aka pedophilia .
Thad Money has stepped up to the plate to give assistance to LE on the case so that the Giddings may get some justice.

http://www.edwardjones.com/en_US/fa/index.html&CIRN=520004

Thad Money most likely has a skeleton or two in his closet, who doesn't? Buford will most likely discover any bones and bring them up at trial. I think we all know how these things work.

Money told us some very interesting things. Some of which, we have seen in McD's own posts at OC. The difference is, McD said all this to a real person, in real life and not on a anonymous internet posting forum.

All these details we are hearing are adding up. I have no doubt there will be more forensic evidence which will tie McD to Lauren's murder.

 

[bessie]

We've already noted several things they have not fully done. It wouldn't surprise me. But that still is not what I said. I was talking about people here who are laying their bets on the testimony of a man who is talking about a story from years ago. We don't know what kind of person he is. I hope LE has thought about that before using him as part of their case. I have been finding him responding in various comments sections and the article about laughing at McD when he met him.

Are you sure it's him?

I'm confident that we all are aware that with most any witness there is a reasonable risk of collateral damage. To insinuate that other members lack the common sense to realize that is presumptuous.

 

[PsychoMom]

Are you sure it's him?

I'm confident that we all are aware that with most any witness there is a reasonable risk of collateral damage. To insinuate that other members lack the common sense to realize that is presumptuous.

I don't think they lack common sense. I was responding to their disbelief that I might challenge him as being perfect. We don't know if he is perfect. That is my concern. If they want to worship him, I guess they can.

As for the comments, I didn't really take too much stock in them until I dug and dug and dug. I found something connecting him personally to the screen name being used. And I never said his comments were bad, just that he didn't need to comment. That includes the article they wrote. If he is part of the case, then he needs to not be discussing all of that stuff.

I would truly like for you to show me where I said anything bad about TM.

 

[wilksterette]

Just my 2 cents: I don't think anyone thinks he's perfect. I think we are all just glad that someone (who so far seems to be legitimate witness) has spoken up. We have no idea of his history. And the majority of us probably could have skeletons in our closet brought out by having to face the witness stand. The defense will of course do everything they can to discredit him. That's not anything we don't already know.

 

[oldercitizen]

I don't think they lack common sense. I was responding to their disbelief that I might challenge him as being perfect. We don't know if he is perfect. That is my concern. If they want to worship him, I guess they can.

As for the comments, I didn't really take too much stock in them until I dug and dug and dug. I found something connecting him personally to the screen name being used. And I never said his comments were bad, just that he didn't need to comment. That includes the article they wrote. If he is part of the case, then he needs to not be discussing all of that stuff.

I would truly like for you to show me where I said anything bad about TM.

IMO that you are guilty of quoting a bit out of context. TM didnt laugh AT him, yes, he he laughed, but at what he witnessed when he walked into the room. TM had the decency to go into another room to laugh, which IMO, means he didn't laugh AT him, he laughed about him. IMO

 

[3doglady]

Does anyone honestly believes that LE and the DA are not going to fully vet TM before he goes on the witness stand?

I certainly hope so, but some of the things I have seen from LE did't give me complete confidence. I also had questions about TM and how a jury would perceive him. I can understand his laughing about the chain mail but to tell the media that he ran to his room and laughed for thirty minutes sounded like ridicule and colored his other statements for me. Hopefully he will polish his act before testifying.

 

[PsychoMom]

IMO that you are guilty of quoting a bit out of context. TM didnt laugh AT him, yes, he he laughed, but at what he witnessed when he walked into the room. TM had the decency to go into another room to laugh, which IMO, means he didn't laugh AT him, he laughed about him. IMO

This is a 100% honest question. Where did I say he laughed at him? The closest I could find was saying something about him being jovial at meeting his roommate. Is that what you were talking about? If so, it was his reaction was jovial (per TM's report of laughing about it for so long), not that he laughed at him. He thought it was funny.

I have to agree with 3doglady about the way it came off in the article. It did sound like ridicule. It is one of those things that might come back and bite him at the trial. It can show him being more hostile towards McD from the very moment he met him, which can show a reason for him to show up and stir things up. Granted, I hope that isn't what his motivation is, but that article can be colored to look that way.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

This is not necessarily a factual question and speculation about the answer might not be helpful...if so, feel free to disregard.

Just something that has been puzzling me about SM's "perfect murder plan" and how it would/not fit into his real professional goals:

I realize that not everyone agrees that SM is responsible for LG's death, or that his behavior as we've seen it - starting with his comments when the torso was discovered - are an act. But if they are, if he is just carrying out his perfect plan, what real good does it do for him? Beyond the whole "I don't wanna spend my life in prison" thing (not that it's not important), why does he want to wear this mask? Is he hoping he will be judged not guilty by reason of insanity (or mental defect or whatever it's called)? I think that the consequences of this verdict vary by state (correct me if not pls), but I think that it's not the same as not guilty (again pls correct if wrong). You don't just get to go back to your regular life. And even if he did, or for that matter even if his "act" somehow helps him be found NG, the "regular life" that he'd go back to would be very different from the usual law school grad's. What about this "fitness test" that goes along with the bar exam? What about his reputation among future potential employers and colleagues? Maybe I am outa line in my understanding that he's presenting himself as a mentally I'll individual; maybe he's just presenting himself as someone who's in shock because of the serious false accusations against him. Mental illness carries quite a stigma, especially IMO once the person's an adult...you can't chalk it up to typical teenage angst or mood swings. (I'm not saying that adolescents can't experience mental illness. I'm saying that IMO, when they do, people who meet them as stable, decently-adjusted adults are often willing to minimize it as "teenage crap" instead of letting it color their perceptions of the adult in the present.) Based only on my own experience, people generally are reluctant to say, "Oh that's ok, you're stable on your meds and with therapy, whatever!" They see you as a schizophrenic, an OCDer, or whatever. The reason I'm wondering aout all this is because SM obviously had goals that were important enough to him that he worked really hard and probably went into a huge debt to reach them. Maybe being on the Supreme Court wasn't realistic for him, but becoming a successful attorney was obviously realistic enough in his opinion for him to work really hard toward it. I guess I just don't see how this ends well for SM, whether he's eventually convicted or not.

 

[Knox]

The reporter may have put his own emphasis or spin on Money's interview, who knows-

If I recall correctly, in the Q&A session yesterday, Kovac was pretty proud of the 10,000 hits Macon.Com was getting as a result of their coverage of Lauren's case. IMO, some of the answers he gave yesterday, also made him seem a little pompous.

If nothing else, Money has come forward with circumstantial information that when added to the facts of Lauren's death, dismemberment and disposal, are going to make him look awfully bad.

Who talks about that kind of stuff with that level of detail and thought process?

 

[PsychoMom]

@ PlainJaneDoe:
I know I have seen the "Guilty, but Insane," which means you are guilty of the crime even though you have been judged insane. And I have seen the "Not Competent to Stand Trial." Not sure of the exact names of those, but you get the idea. A lot of people think once you are judged insane, you get to go free. Not true. If you are judged to be incompetent, you are sent to a state mental facility until the judge determines you can either stand trial or are not a risk.

I know of people who have spent 5 or more years in a mental facility for trespassing and making threats to harm someone. Not actually harming someone, but threatening to - and they had no weapons. The judge refused to release them. If he had been convicted, he might have gotten 2 years, max, for what he did. Since the judge determined he was not competent, he had to stay in the mental hospital indefinitely. He has not been released, as far as I know, but that particular hospital has closed and the patients were all transferred to another facility.

Many of the patients in the state facility are the 'Guilty, but Insane' crew. They are in the state hospital until stable (if ever) and then transferred to the prison to serve their term. It is not an escape clause. And can lead to longer sentences in the end.

 

[PsychoMom]

The reporter may have put his own emphasis or spin on Money's interview, who knows-

If I recall correctly, in the Q&A session yesterday, Kovac was pretty proud of the 10,000 hits Macon.Com was getting as a result of their coverage of Lauren's case. IMO, some of the answers he gave yesterday, also made him seem a little pompous.

If nothing else, Money has come forward with circumstantial information that when added to the facts of Lauren's death, dismemberment and disposal, are going to make him look awfully bad.

Who talks about that kind of stuff with that level of detail and thought process?

In this case, the reporter used quotes. It wasn't his interpretation of what TM said.

As for who talks about that stuff, have you seen us on here? They would have field day with our discussions.

 

[AgentFrankLundy]

I have to believe that we do not know the "details of methods to avoid detection which are similar to the facts and circumstances surrounding the killing of Lauren Giddings" At least I think there are some specifics known only to LE and TM, not in the paper yet that led LE to McD and made them include as part of their warrant.

 

[SmoothOperator]

No one is perfect! Nor is one member on this board claiming that anyone is perfect..*

TM stepped up to the plate and has been honest and forthcoming with some very disturbing details that he now has to live the rest of his life knowing were not some irrelevant goof to "test of one's intelligence" as some have alluded to Stephen's disturbing first question upon meeting new people is.. He now has the face of Lauren and knowledge of who and what Lauren was as to who that victim is now in those extremely disturbing perfect murder plans that Stephen obsessively repeated to the point of people being so uncomfortable with that he was interrupted and told they'd heard enough.. Those details I am certain engrained in Thaddeus' mind forever and knowing the depravity was carried out on a beautiful and intelligent, innocent young woman..

Thaddeus has stepped up to the plate, put himself to the side and stepped up to the plate to do the ONLY THING THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING TO HELP THIS TRAGEDY AND BRING CLOSURE TO HER LOVED ONES AND JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF HER YOUNG LIFE LOST!!. that is what he is doing and that is why he is doing it!! He did not have to.. He easily could have kept his mouth shut and went on with his life unaffected by what was taking place with a man whom he knew from college that he was NOT surprised in the least to hear had carried out his proposed "perfect murder plan".. But he didn't choose to do that.. Instead and unlike his former roommate, Stephen, he selflessly has put himself out there with important and extremely relevant and damning knowledge to ensure the ONLY good or positive that can arise from such depravity that Stephen has willfully, intentionally, and from the evidence that continues to mount agAinst him, he very methodically for many years attempted to perfect.. The murder who Lauren was chosen to be victim of his sick and brutal powertrip that he had obsessed on, dreamed of , and fantasized about for many years!!

Thaddeus has stepped forward to ensure the only good, the only positive that is possible at this point.. Justice and closure..

The only person that has even alluded to someone other than the man chargedd having any involvement in this depraved murder and all of it's sinister surrounding issues is Stephen McDaniel.. There is nothing and no one pointing to others involvement except for this self confessed "cold blooded monster", Stephen McDaniel.. And as the evidence continues to mount and the majority of people aware that each piece further completes the puzzle of what is the total picture of the entire case of the murder of Lauren..*


What we chose to do is look at it realistically and not throw out the wildest, far fetched scenarios when of course it "could be" some rare and crazy npotion, but the reality is that not only is it slim to nil that it is, but most importantly the evidence is NOT POINTING IN THE DIRECTION. OF ANYTHING OR
ANYONE OTHER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS CHARGED WITH THE DEPRAVITY!!! if and when it were to point in another direction we all here would see that and it would be considered and not focused on just one individual.. There is NOTHING POINTING AWAY FROM STEPHEN!!

Stephen is the only one pointing away from him and IMO would obviously be the last PERSON's word you'd take for anything yet time and time again it is the innocent bystanders such as DD who get thrown under the bus, questioning his character and even looking at him as a possibility.. And now Thaddeus a man whose stepped forward of his own volition to do what's right in light of his former roommates deprAved actions.. To see that justice and closure is brought..

Obviously a piece to the puzzle that fits perfectly and only further helps to develop the big picture of this crime committed.. Yet here another innocent man's character questioned, motives questioned.

So, as for being able to see the pieces of evidence for what they are and in their obviously building a case that with each new piece sadly it becomes clearer and clearer just what the big picture is.. There isn't anyone burying their head in the sand infact I don't believe a picture could get much clearer to any capable of looking at it.. At this time the evidence is accumulating against the individual charged with committing the crimes.. If and when a piece or pieces come to light that do not further accumulate toward Stephen, that too will be found to what or who it points toward.. That's not the case at this time.. The case is Stephen and the only thing pointing to it not being Stephen is Stephen..

 

[tut med]

At this point, I would not be surprised if SMcD didn't say: oh I remember now on the balcony that night I saw Thaddeus there with DD wanting to mow the grass.
Plus he had a hacksaw too.
But he can't do that because he is all catatonic and stuff.-

I think being obesssed with asking everyone he met the big 2 questions-reeks of weirdness.

 

[matou]

Does anyone know if McDaniel was obsessed with the Leopold and Loeb case? (The Perfect Crime)

 

[Knox]

In this case, the reporter used quotes. It wasn't his interpretation of what TM said.

As for who talks about that stuff, have you seen us on here? They would have field day with our discussions.

Lol, yes I saw the quotes. I'm talking more about the sequential order the details in the story are put when the author is writing it, which can make a difference. Kovac lead that story with *The first time Thad Money met Stephen McDaniel, he couldn’t help laughing* (no quotations). Do you think that is the very first thing Money said to Kovac?

We're posting in a crime forum, of course we talk about those topics here.

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[PsychoMom]

Right now, we only have one person's word about McD asking everyone those 2 questions. It may be true. But, it may not be. We would need to hear from other people to know for sure. We can't say he "always" did it based on one person. If it is "always," then more people will be able to confirm it is the first thing he asked. I wouldn't even expect it to be after saying Hello the first time, but within the first day at some point. And not necessarily every single person he met, but those in his classes or dorm building. I am sure they will try to find multiple other people to verify that if they plan on using it in court.

 

[PsychoMom]

Lol, yes I saw the quotes. I'm talking more about the sequential order the details in the story are put when the author is writing it, which can make a difference. Kovac lead that story with *The first time Thad Money met Stephen McDaniel, he couldn’t help laughing* (no quotations). Do you think that is the very first thing Money said to Kovac?

We're posting in a crime forum, of course we talk about those topics here.

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BBM
That particular comment is benign. It is the follow up comment about

Money, a transfer from the United States Air Force Academy, popped in to say hello, but had to retreat to his bedroom so he wouldn’t crack up in front of McDaniel. “I walk back to my room and I double over laughing for 30 minutes,” Money recalled. “He’s sitting at his computer playing this stupid MS-DOS ‘World of Warcraft’ game. ... He’s wearing chain mail.”

It shows an attitude he immediately developed regarding McD. Not saying it wasn't valid, but it shows. Which could be a bump in the road for him when testifying in court. It would have been better for him to stay off the chart until trial.

 

[tut med]

If he did go around asking ppl he met those two questions -it would explain why he didn't have many friends...