Found Deceased GA - Quinton Simon - Discovered Missing From Home By Non-Custodial Mom - Savannah #2

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That doesn't mean either one of these people will engage in the services they need to become better people/parents, but it's always the goal. Despite common belief, CPS/DCFS does not exist for the sole purpose of breaking up families; we are there to protect children while their parent/caregiver gets their lives together and receives treatment/education necessary to adequately parent the child. If the person doesn't follow through with the things they're court-ordered to do, then the agencies start looking for a different permanency resource for the child.

We (CPS/DCFS) don't want people's kids. We want people to be responsible and take care of their kids if they're going to have them. Maybe we need to teach people what their parents and society failed to teach, or maybe we need to help them resolve the bad decisions they made so they have a chance to be that good, responsible parent -- taking kids from their families and farming them out to people (no matter how fabulous they claim to be) is never something we want to see happen and is always a last resort.

I have deep and tremendous respect for the difficult career that you have, and I recognize this is your area of expertise and not mine.

I have tangential experience with ACS in NY because a relative of mine lost custody for awhile due to drugs, and I was assigned as one of the people to supervise her when she had visitation.

Family reunification is always the goal here in NYC also, but IMO the apparent murder of a child is the RED LINE for permanent removal of the living children from not only the mother, but the grandparents who were responsible for guarding the children's safety AT ALL TIMES.

Clearly, the outcome for Quinton is empirical evidence that provisions were not made to keep him safe. By extension, those same custodial grandparents were negligent in their guardianship.

For family reunification purposes, if the fathers involved with the other two children are capable of providing true care for their children, they should have custody. If one or the other is not capable, there are many people out there seeking to adopt, who would love to provide these children with safe homes.

The children are young enough and sorry to say, if they are white and very young, that puts them in a highly adoptable category. I know how this sounds but it's the truth.

Praying for the soonest resolution of the whereabouts of Quinton's remains, and loving and safe homes for the two children still alive.

Jmo
 
LE kept saying 'very specific evidence' led them to a specific area in the landfill. They're not searching the entire landfill, just the designated area where the identified dumpster was brought. They have an entire specialized team that works in a highly organized manner.
 
Does anyone else think that whatever horrible thing happened to little Quinton well before that morning? If LS's bf phone texted the kids wouldn't be coming at 5:39 am then obviously it had already occurred. She could have already disposed of Quinton well before that text was sent.

Who was in the home that we know for sure the evening prior? What vehicles did LS have access to?

MOO
I think you're right, I tend to think that he was already gone (literally gone from the house) by 5:29. But the question remains, why would no one in the house hear her leave and return? Was her room that far from where the sound of the car would come from? Big house, could she have left by the back with his body.....was a handy car parked out on the road? There must have been a handful of cars there, given 5 adults living in the house. So maybe she got back, arranged something stuffed to look like a baby, sleepily woke up with her boyfriend, asked him sweetly to call the sitter as she would lovingly care for her 3 kids that day, wonderful mother that she is. I feel strongly that she acted alone.

IMO
 
TIMELINE UPDATED with presser info - no timestamps yet, since I was watching live.

MOOs
With the latest info, I suspect that they may either have phone pings, surveillance video, and/or witness testimony of MomLS at the location of this "specific dumpster." Taking a quick look around Google Maps, I noticed there are dumpsters at the Pal's Mini Mart 1.4mi away. There's an apartment complex 2.0 miles away with a dumpster in their parking lot. Hwy 17 is also about 2.0 miles away, and there's many more businesses there with dumpsters (Taco Bell, Dunkin Donuts, McDonald's, All-American Liquor, etc), but since it's a busier area, you'd also run a greater risk of being noticed.
Didn't the suspect work at All American Liquor?

A lot of commercial dumpsters have locks, but employees have access to keys.

Just a thought. MOO.
 
TY yes, I was looking at the map trying to figure out what route and what are the likely dumpsters she might have used. Busier commercial area means higher traffic although WHEN this took place would probably factor into that. Smaller side road or residential area also has its pros and cons. I am just glad they have a specific area to search. Having followed our little butterfly Jhessye's case, I know the last two days has been spent coordinating with experts and the landfill to determine the area that the truck that hauled contents of that specific dumpster was dumped. That area will be sorted and searched with equipment and feet and hands on the ground grid by grid, layer by layer.

Bless little Q. I haven't felt so sad since our butterfly. Hard to imagine this little guy all alone there amidst the most disgusting refuse. It's heartbreaking to consider.
Plantation Mobile Home Estates is just around the corner from the residence. I'm thinking LS didn't go that far if she left the other two children at home. JMO

ETA I was looking at Old Buckhalter Road - back to the drawing board.
 
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TIMELINE UPDATED with presser info - no timestamps yet, since I was watching live.

MOOs
With the latest info, I suspect that they may either have phone pings, surveillance video, and/or witness testimony of MomLS at the location of this "specific dumpster." Taking a quick look around Google Maps, I noticed there are dumpsters at the Pal's Mini Mart 1.4mi away. There's an apartment complex 2.0 miles away with a dumpster in their parking lot. Hwy 17 is also about 2.0 miles away, and there's many more businesses there with dumpsters (Taco Bell, Dunkin Donuts, McDonald's, All-American Liquor, etc), but since it's a busier area, you'd also run a greater risk of being noticed.
@wnk I heard a reporter ask if the dumpster was the "one located at the gas station on I-95". I'm horrible with directions do you have an idea of one there?
 
Plantation Mobile Home Estates is just around the corner from the residence. I'm thinking LS didn't go that far if she left the other two children at home. JMO
Is that within walking distance, or through the woods where she would know the trails? He couldn't have weighed that much for a determined loving mother to carry. Sorry, fresh out of empathy for anyone but Q.
 
Loring Hacking was found 2 months after her murder in a landfill in or near the rug her loving sloughoff murdering husband left her in. Husband Mark had pretended to be in college after dropping out, leaving the house every day to "attend classes" and pretended to be accepted to medical school while Lori, even though pregnant, was working her a$$ off to help provide for her family. He took part in searches for her, bawled his eyes out, but eventually confessed to the murder after hiding out in a mental facility. His brothers talked him into confessing. Although she was found 2 months after he murdered her, IIRC he confessed about 2 weeks after he put her in the dump, so LE searched there for about 6 weeks until they found her. Mark, of course, was getting 3 squares, a bed, free food, heating, water, roof and walls to relax in while his wife and fetus were in the dump. Still is today, he will be eligible to ask for parole in 2035.
I remember that case well. I don't understand how anyone that does what he did is ever eligible for parole.
 
I think you're right, I tend to think that he was already gone (literally gone from the house) by 5:29. But the question remains, why would no one in the house hear her leave and return? Was her room that far from where the sound of the car would come from? Big house, could she have left by the back with his body.....was a handy car parked out on the road? There must have been a handful of cars there, given 5 adults living in the house. So maybe she got back, arranged something stuffed to look like a baby, sleepily woke up with her boyfriend, asked him sweetly to call the sitter as she would lovingly care for her 3 kids that day, wonderful mother that she is. I feel strongly that she acted alone.

IMO
I find it very strange that a text was sent out at 5:30 am - which we can assume is because QS has died - but the boyfriend says he saw him at 6 am. Could she really have put a doll or prop in the playpen or did boyfriend cover for her, at least for a little bit?
 
Neither Gma nor Mom will ever be terrific parents. There's no room for error at this point. jmo

Right?. There should never be an opportunity for LS to be a wonderful mother in the future. She killed her child and put him in the trash. Even if it was an accidental killing, SHE PUT HIM IN THE TRASH,there's really nothing else to say. IMO.
 
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Is that within walking distance, or through the woods where she would know the trails? He couldn't have weighed that much for a determined loving mother to carry. Sorry, fresh out of empathy for anyone but Q.
I'll go back and edit. I was looking at old buckhalter road. I guess my map skills are lacking today lol.
 
I find it very strange that a text was sent out at 5:30 am - which we can assume is because QS has died - but the boyfriend says he saw him at 6 am. Could she really have put a doll or prop in the playpen or did boyfriend cover for her, at least for a little bit?
Sounds perfectly plausible to me, I used to kind of stumble out the door in those early morning jobs.
 
I'll go back and edit. I was looking at old buckhalter road. I guess my map skills are lacking today lol.
If she carried him away from the house, that makes so much more sense than starting up a noisy car. Especially if she could go thru or skirt some woods where she could step into darkness if a car went by.
 
Press Conference

18th Oct.

Chief - A short time ago, we began what will be an extensive search of the Waste Management Landfill located here in Chatham County. As with every step we have taken in this case the need for this search was based on where the evidence led us. We have spent the last several days preparing and deploying extensive resources to support the search team and the investigators and I would like to thank, for a moment, Chatham County Sheriff's Office, Sheriff John Wilcher, Chatham County Emergency Management Agency, Savannah Police Department, Savannah Fire Department, Chatham Emergency Services and many other agencies that have assisted in getting us prepared to begin our search of the landfill.

We know that this is going to be a physically, mentally and emotionally gruelling task for our investigators and team. Yesterday, our team posted this picture of Quinton, here on the wall of this operation centre as a reminder of who we are searching for and why we continue to work so terribly hard.

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We want justice for Quinton, just like everybody else, and we want to find his remains so we can give him a proper resting place. Once again, we are indebted to the FBI for their unmatched expertise that they have provided to us since they arrived on scene less than three hours after Quinton was reported missing. Now I'll turn it over to Senior Supervisory Resident Agent, Mr Clarke, who also has a few remarks.

FBI - Good morning, everyone. My name is Will Clarke, as the Chief said I'm the Senior Supervisory Resident Agent of the Savannah and Brunswick offices of the FBI. Throughout our process here, our goal has been to bring Quinton home and to hold anyone responsible for his disappearance accountable. We, along with our law enforcement partners, go into this process with heavy hearts. We did not want to end up at this point, but the evidence has taken us here. We're not just randomly searching this landfill. We have evidence, specific evidence, that leads us to this large property. To help in this search, the FBI has brought in specialists from Quantico, Atlanta, as well as all of our personnel here in the greater Savannah area. The FBI's Evidence Response team, which has experience in landfill searches, like this, is heading up part of this operation. At this moment, we have dozens of FBI personnel on scene in support of the Chatham County Police Department. We will have Chatham County and FBI personnel in the landfill, each day, conducting a systematic search of the debris. This will be a complex and strenuous effort. Searchers will move through the debris placed on the search deck looking for evidence. Once that debris is cleared it will be placed on the search deck and then removed and then replaced with another section of material. This will not be quick. It will not be easy and the outcome is uncertain. As the chief said, we want justice for Quinton and we want to find him a proper resting place. Again, we share the sorrow felt by millions and promise all of our available resources and expertise to assist Chatham County in finding little Quinton.

Chief - Thank you Will. Now we'll take a few questions if you'd like.

Reporter - What makes you think that Quinton is in this landfill?

Chief - The evidence has led us to this place at this date and time.

Reporter - Is there anything specific you can tell us?

Chief - Nothing I can tell you specifically.

Reporter - Chief, what date did you think you would come to this landfill? Is this something you knew last Thursday, last Wednesday, last Tuesday or yesterday or this morning?

FBI - We've been reviewing the evidence throughout the duration of this investigation. We've been following the evidence where it has taken us. And the evidence has taken us to this landfill. The efforts to undertake this landfill search have been several days in the planning. We've brought in experts in landfill searches to guide us to this specific area where we'll be searching. Like I said, in my comments before, this is not... we're not searching the whole landfill, we have a specific area where we are looking.

Reporter - I know the recovery and the evidence team has done this before. Is this the area that now you've gridded off, with no more trash coming there? It is away from anything new that would be coming in?

FBI - Yes.

Reporter - And is this because of where this trash specifically came from?

FBI - Yes.

Reporter - We talked to you 2:30 the Wednesday that he went missing - You were so hopeful in this and your tone has changed. You almost sound like you're about to choke up there. You must be emotionally drained. As investigators, as agents can you talk about how hard this case has been?

Chief - Yeah. You're trying to get me to cry, I think, but, it has. You know, we had a meeting yesterday and to look across the the multitude of people that are here and to feel and see their emotions... but that's coupled with determination and dedication, so we can find little Quinton and provide him a proper resting place. It does take its toll. There is a lot of time, energy and effort that goes into, not only the investigation but the logistics in terms of getting everything we need to be able to provide the proper resources for the search teams and the investigators, so we can reach a conclusion at some point. There's a large order of magnitude that has been brought to bear here for this and I'll say it again, I can't thank the FBI enough for all that they have done. They have been tremendous and phenomenal.

Reporter - And you know this is obviously a criminal investigation now. It was a missing person's... and there's no way that it's not, right? No-one's been charged?

Chief - No-one has been charged.

Reporter - Why has no-one been charged?

Chief - Because we're not ready to charge anyone yet. We still have work to do. We still have an investigation to do and we are not going to do anything, pre-emptively, that would that would harm future prosecution, that would, where I'm standing before you six months from now, talking about a flawed investigation or talking about why we did this and why we didn't do that. I believe in our investigators. I believe in the expertise that we brought to bear here. We are tracking in the right direction, but we're only going to do that when we're ready to do that.

Reporter - Chief, is that because you're holding out to make this a capital punishment case?

Chief - No.

Reporter - Chief, is this landfill the only place that y'all are going to be searching?

Chief - Yes.

Reporter - You mentioned of course that this is going to be a large scale and really strenuous operation. Do you guys have any kind of vague idea how long you think it would take, or is that kind of up to what happens out there?

Chief - It's kind of up to what happens but, as Agent Clark said, this is not going to be quick. This is not going to happen within a day or so. We are here for the long haul, until we determine that we don't need to be here anymore.

Reporter - Chief, let's back up a little bit in this investigation. One thing that never happened - was, there was never an Amber Alert sent out. There was never a Levi's call sent out. Why was that?

Chief - It didn't meet the criteria of an Amber Alert, at that time.

Reporter - Why so?

Chief - I'd have to go back and look at the exact criteria, but we didn't have any specific information about an abduction. We didn't have a suspect for an abduction. We didn't have a vehicle description or anything like that. And Amber Alerts are very prescriptive in terms of when you can issue them, and we didn't have that information at that time.

Reporter - Chief, how tough is it to stand here right now (inaudible) somebody threw that little baby in the trash?

Chief - It's.. it's, it's tough. But, you know, we understand that, you know, it's necessary. This is the work that we do. You know, all be it emotionally draining, all be it tough, aIl be it difficult. But this is what the community asks of our law enforcement officers.

Reporter - I want to clarify something chief. It was asked in the question earlier. Do y'all believe that Quinton was brought here and thrown in the landfill or thrown in the trash and then ended up at the landfill?

Chief - We believe that he was placed in a specific dumpster at a specific location and it was brought here by regular means of disposal.

Reporter - Got it. (inaudible) dumpster I-95?

Chief - I can't answer that.

Reporter - Is Leilani Simon still the only suspect?

Chief - She is.

Reporter - You mentioned the other day that you didn't believe she was a flight risk - Has that changed?

Chief - That has not changed.

Reporter - How hopeful are you that you'll find Quinton's body?

Chief - I have every belief that we will find his remains here at the landfill.

Reporter - Do y'all know where Leilani is today? I don't mean right at this actual moment but do ya'll know where she is?

Chief - I believe she's still here in Chatham County. We do not believe she's a flight risk.

Reporter - And again, I'll ask one more time - What makes you believe that she's not a flight risk.

Chief - I can't get into that.
Okay, thank you, y'all have a great day.
 
You may be right, and you may not. None of us really know, do we?

Assuming the grandmother raised the mother, she's failed spectacularly, twice. I'm not saying she should never see the children again, but when she's exhibited negligence to the level that she has, I don't think she should be given the opportunity to raise those children.
 
If she carried him away from the house, that makes so much more sense than starting up a noisy car. Especially if she could go thru or skirt some woods where she could step into darkness if a car went by.
Yep. Many, not all, gas stations and strip malls have cctv but mobile homes, apartments not as much. I'm thinking she went somewhere she could blend in, drive by the dumpster and finish her mission. She was either caught by cctv or a witness so I guess anything is possible.
 
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