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girlhasnoname said:
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Her daughter Leilani Simon, 22, has been named the main suspect in the disappearance of her 18-month-old son Quinton, who vanished from his Savannah, Georgia home on October 5.

In an audio of an 11-minute phone call obtained by DailyMail.com, BJH can be heard saying: 'I feel, honestly and frankly, Bubba, I'm not going to lie to you, I feel like there was an accident.'

'I feel like something happened while Quinton was in the bathtub, and he drowned, and they were both high. That's my theory.'

'Hell, they should have just called the police if something like that happened,' B replied.

'If you're high as hell, man, you do stupid ,' said BJ.
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You do criminal, too.
RBBM
 
NervousNellie said:
To be clear, in the article, GmaBJH is merely speculating that Quinton drowned, suggesting it as a possibility? not that she has any evidence for thinking this, correct?. Personally, I think it's a stretch to think for a moment LS gave Quinton a bath.
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I don't think for a second that LS gave Quentin a bath, but it wouldn't shock me if she ran water in the tub and threw him or both of the kids in there to fend for themselves. If such a drowning accident occurred, that would be the most likely scenario. It also casts sole blame away from Leilani and also onto DY, who LE have not named as a suspect at all.

This is nothing more than yet another way of absolving LS of murdering her child. Poor girl was just high and passed out and the baby accidentally drowned because DY, who is not the father, wasn't paying attention to him. And then she did what any reasonable person would do. She took him to a dumpster and threw his little lifeless body in, and went home and started practicing crying, which she apparently did not perfect, as there do not seem to be tears when she tries.

Regardless of what she claims not to remember, LE apparently have video of her throwing little Quinton away, like trash, and that will be more than enough to nail her, once he is found. She had better hope an autopsy won't be able to show that he died from some other means, like physical abuse, or drug overdose. Maybe she will remember what she did to her child while she is spending the rest of her life in prison. I hope she remembers, every day. JMO
 
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Okay, I brought this up on another thread, then I found something very interesting... So, I thought I would bring it over here since it likely applies here as well!!

I am starting to believe someone with a very intelligent mind needs to create a "smell thermometer" to put on trash collection trucks. If the presence of a dead person is detected by this device, it will alert the driver. That way, if someone does try to dispose of a dead body, they never make it to the collection center. The driver's protocol would then be to take his truck somewhere so that LE could check it out before it is mixed in with other trash. It is just too easy for these evil people to put these little ones in a dumpster and walk away. I am so very sad and angry to read this SSDD!!!

www.popsci.com

New Corpse-Detection System Finds Where the Bodies Are Buried

Cops searching for hidden graves usually rely on dogs or ground-penetrating radar. Now they have another tool in their arsenal -- a corpsefinder probe, slightly thicker than a human hair, that can quickly and easily detect decaying flesh.
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Cops searching for hidden graves usually rely on dogs or ground-penetrating radar. Now they have another tool in their arsenal — a corpsefinder probe, slightly thicker than a human hair, that can quickly and easily detect decaying flesh.

The new system, designed at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, consists of a slender probe that can simply be stuck in the ground to pull in air samples. It can even detect bodies buried beneath concrete, as long as you drill a 1/8-inch hole for the probe.
 
sindydee said:
I've reached boiling point with this pair.
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That's why I will not criticize the protesters.

The 1st amendment protects their right to speak out (acting out & getting arrested? not so much).

And in some ways, they express what so many of us feel about the unmitigated train wreck of a family he was born into.

I've stopped following much because thinking about the innocent children who live with dysfunction like this every day is disturbing. And frightening.
 
cocomod said:
Okay, I brought this up on another thread, then I found something very interesting... So, I thought I would bring it over here since it likely applies here as well!!

I am starting to believe someone with a very intelligent mind needs to create a "smell thermometer" to put on trash collection trucks. If the presence of a dead person is detected by this device, it will alert the driver. That way, if someone does try to dispose of a dead body, they never make it to the collection center. The driver's protocol would then be to take his truck somewhere so that LE could check it out before it is mixed in with other trash. It is just too easy for these evil people to put these little ones in a dumpster and walk away. I am so very sad and angry to read this SSDD!!!

www.popsci.com

New Corpse-Detection System Finds Where the Bodies Are Buried

Cops searching for hidden graves usually rely on dogs or ground-penetrating radar. Now they have another tool in their arsenal -- a corpsefinder probe, slightly thicker than a human hair, that can quickly and easily detect decaying flesh.
www.popsci.com www.popsci.com

Cops searching for hidden graves usually rely on dogs or ground-penetrating radar. Now they have another tool in their arsenal — a corpsefinder probe, slightly thicker than a human hair, that can quickly and easily detect decaying flesh.

The new system, designed at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, consists of a slender probe that can simply be stuck in the ground to pull in air samples. It can even detect bodies buried beneath concrete, as long as you drill a 1/8-inch hole for the probe.
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I doubt this would work. I have heard that severely rotten meat smells similar to a dead body. The thermometer would have to detect the gases that a dead body gives off.

 
Squirrel85 said:
I doubt this would work. I have heard that severely rotten meat smells similar to a dead body. The thermometer would have to detect the gases that a dead body gives off.

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It is not perfect now, but again, working with very smart people, I can have hope that one day such a thing could work! Something, anything, to keep these innocents from being in the landfill!

From the article:

The system involves a small aluminum pipette that can detect trace amounts of a chemical called ninhydrin-reactive nitrogen, which collects in air pockets around a grave site.

If they can detect something so specific, I think they could come up with the technology needed given time, money, and the right amount of motivation! Just my VERY honest opinion
 
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Erutan said:
Smh.
What is so cringey about this is that BJH has now confirmed in her own words that LS was not a fit mother and she should never have had those kids in her care !
Almost like making excuses.
And BJH knew this more than anyone else.
Quinton's disappearance and demise were completely preventable.
That is unforgiveable, imo.
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BJH certainly did her best to paint herself as a victim. IMO she knows she can’t do much to help Leilani at this point hence a weak defense of her.

IMO the drowning theory is false and BJH actually does know what happened; despite their fighting she and Leilani appear to be thick as thieves, birds of a feather.

In any case I doubt that getting blackout drunk/high is going to impress a jury if L ever goes to trial. I’m confident that justice will prevail and I predict grandmother will never again have custody of the kids. All MOO
 
wnk said:
I just finished watching Sins of Our Mother on Netflix last night, and this reminded me of the early interviews with Lori Vallow's mother, in which she stood by her daughter and insisted that Lori would never hurt JJ & Tylee. In the new mini-series, though, they interviewed her again and she admits that she was wrong.

The difference in this case, however, is that Lori's mom was never the one that was supposed to be responsible for JJ & Tylee, while GmaBJH was the one responsible for little Q's safety. GmaBJH has no choice but to hitch her horse to MomLS's because to admit that MomLS was irresponsible would be to admit that the kids shouldn't have been left in her care.
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Exactly!
 
Elliot_Alderson said:
If they don't find little Quinton in the landfill, what are the chances of prosecuting? I think if they had what they needed to prosecute as things currently stand that she'd be in handcuffs.
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The clock starts ticking the minute a suspect is arrested and charged. LE know where LS is, and I am confident that she is not getting very far from their sight, so while they may have enough evidence to charge her at this point, and I suspect that they do, a murder case is certainly easier to successfully prosecute when there is a body. While they are searching the landfill for little Quinton, I am sure other areas of the investigation are still being checked out and strengthened, so that when an arrest finally is made, LE will have the strongest case that they can, to provide to the state for prosecution. JMO
 
Elliot_Alderson said:
If they don't find little Quinton in the landfill, what are the chances of prosecuting? I think if they had what they needed to prosecute as things currently stand that she'd be in handcuffs.
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Oh, I'm confident they'll still prosecute. The question, IMO, is whether she'll be charged with first degree murder (with malice and deliberate intention) or second degree murder / cruelty to children (irrespective of malice - can be due to negligence). With a body, they can determine whether the cause of death was something that was a deliberate act of violence, or something that could have happened accidentally.

Quoting a post I made in Thread #2:
Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
Chapter 5 - Crimes Against the Person
Article 1 - Homicide

"Homicide" includes both murder & manslaughter, but with the way that it's is worded, I believe (IMO, IANAL) that the unintentional death of a child at the hands of their caregiver would be classified as second degree murder, not manslaughter.
  • § 16-5-1. Murder; Malice Murder; Felony Murder; Murder in the Second Degree
    FIRST DEGREE / FELONY MURDER
    (a) "A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being." (b) "Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart." (e1) "A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life."

  • § 16-5-1. Murder; Malice Murder; Felony Murder; Murder in the Second Degree
    SECOND DEGREE MURDER
    (d) "A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children [see below] in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice." (e2) "A person convicted of the offense of murder in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 30 years."

    NOTE: This is a new law, only in effect since 2014, specifically created to address the deaths of children due to reckless or risky behavior from parents. (Second-degree murder charge created to address child deaths article from 2018). The article states that a prosecutor can choose to charge someone with both felony murder and second degree murder.

Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
Chapter 5 - Crimes Against the Person
Article 5 - Cruelty to Children
  • § 16-5-70. Cruelty to Children
    FIRST DEGREE CRUELTY TO CHILDREN
    (b) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree when such person maliciously causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain.

  • § 16-5-70. Cruelty to Children
    SECOND DEGREE CRUELTY TO CHILDREN
    (c) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the second degree when such person with criminal negligence causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain.


MOOs
IMO, this may be why LE is holding off on arresting MomLS. Upon arrest, they have 72 hours to have the initial hearing, at which time the charges are read, probable cause is determined, and bail is set. If LE does not yet have enough evidence to determine if this was a first-degree murder (with malice and forethought) or a second-degree murder (unintentional / criminal negligence), they may want to wait until the body is recovered and autopsy done to make sure any guilty parties are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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SteveP said:
The clock starts ticking the minute a suspect is arrested and charged. LE know where LS is, and I am confident that she is not getting very far from their sight, so while they may have enough evidence to charge her at this point, and I suspect that they do, a murder case is certainly easier to successfully prosecute when there is a body. While they are searching the landfill for little Quinton, I am sure other areas of the investigation are still being checked out and strengthened, so that when an arrest finally is made, LE will have the strongest case that they can, to provide to the state for prosecution. JMO
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I agree with you, and this police department is doing it right. Investigating from thr start, communicating with the public regularly while keeping case facts important to prosecution hidden, calling in the FBI for expertise.

Those protestors should take up the cause for victims that police disregard, like the missing women in Kandas City and the woman who finally escaped, not this case.
 
MassGuy said:
Let's take a look at this quote in that Daily Mail article:

The police are the ones saying that she went into a traumatic state and blacked out,' she told Bubba in the call.

'It's not her saying she don't remember. That's what police told her. And that's what they told me.'

A few things:

First, one does "black out," while committing a coverup. She called off the babysitter, disposed of his body, waited to report him missing, and then came up with a fake narrative.

Secondly, if this happened it would have been an effort by law enforcement to give her an out. An example would be the Watts case, where they suggested that maybe Shannan killed the kids, and Chris initially ran with it.

Admit to something less, so we can get you to admit to it all.

Third, this "blackout defense" comes up all the time. I've seen it over and over and over. These people are cowards, and don't want to take responsibility.

She intends to use it, based on her comment about turning herself in if she was responsible.

You know if you killed your kid or not lady!
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What still does not vibe for her Not remembering statement is, there was no panic or begging for his return, or begging for help. When she sobered (if she sobered) up enough to realize he was not in the house, where was all the begging for help to bring him home like most parents.
 
Palisades said:
I agree with you, and this police department is doing it right. Investigating from thr start, communicating with the public regularly while keeping case facts important to prosecution hidden, calling in the FBI for expertise.

Those protestors should take up the cause for victims that police disregard, like the missing women in Kandas City and the woman who finally escaped, not this case.
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While I am not a huge fan of the protestors, I will say that it shows the family in that house, that even if they never find Q, even if they are unable to charge her, the public and the people are not forgetting and not letting her just go on about her life like he never existed. It does apply pressure to an extent that could potentially lead to her slipping up on something. Is it done in the best manner? No probably not. But it does get the point across. JMO
 
SteveP said:
I don't think for a second that LS gave Quentin a bath, but it wouldn't shock me if she ran water in the tub and threw him or both of the kids in there to fend for themselves. If such a drowning accident occurred, that would be the most likely scenario. It also casts sole blame away from Leilani and also onto DY, who LE have not named as a suspect at all.

This is nothing more than yet another way of absolving LS of murdering her child. Poor girl was just high and passed out and the baby accidentally drowned because DY, who is not the father, wasn't paying attention to him. And then she did what any reasonable person would do. She took him to a dumpster and threw his little lifeless body in, and went home and started practicing crying, which she apparently did not perfect, as there do not seem to be tears when she tries.

Regardless of what she claims not to remember, LE apparently have video of her throwing little Quinton away, like trash, and that will be more than enough to nail her, once he is found. She had better hope an autopsy won't be able to show that he died from some other means, like physical abuse, or drug overdose. Maybe she will remember what she did to her child while she is spending the rest of her life in prison. I hope she remembers, every day. JMO
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I lean more towards she could have drowned him intentionally, and then is hoping to claim he drowned accidently.
 
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