GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[Snoods]

The Wikipedia page under Safety Concerns states it is a non-lethal weapon.

From your link under safety concerns.

Safety concerns

The TASER device is a less-lethal, not non-lethal, weapon. Sharp metal projectiles and electricity are in use, so misuse or abuse of the weapon increases the likelihood that serious injury or death may occur. In addition, the manufacturer has identified other risk factors that may increase the risks of use.

Taser - Wikipedia

 

[Snoods]

Let’s visit fantasy land for a moment. In THIS case,at what point would the officer be expected to decide to let Brooks go home?
Should they send every drunk driver home? Even a convicted felon, who is violating probation?

Yes call them a taxi and let the police pay for it.

Change that to "the mayor's office", and I don't see a problem...

I’ll add change that to call them a taxi and have them delivered to the mayor’s house and I don’t have a problem.

 

[tayaway]

For me, this case boils down to this.....if the subject’s ONLY goal was to flee, WHY did he turn and reach for the officer’s waistband (taser)??

Even if you don’t believe that he turned back to point the taser, or fire it at an officer, why grab it in the first place??

If I wanted to run, I’d RUN. IMO.

So they didn't shoot him first? So he could kill a cop? So he could get away?

We do not know what he was thinking and we will never know. Seems the core question is did the LE use excessive force or not.

 

[tayaway]

He was running TOWARDS the public. A drunk, violent felon, desperate to get away from the cops to avoid violating his parole, was now heading into a neighborhood.

Should cops allow him to run off into a parking lot, full of innocent people? If he had hijacked a car, who was going to be blamed and get fired for allowing him to run off into the night?

Was the restaurant parking lot full of innocent people around 11 pm? He was on foot with at least 2 LE just yards away. Run into the night? We know at least one LE was capable of shooting to kill, so wouldn't that LE have done so before a potential hijacking? In the razor thin chance that he did hijack a car and if the 2 LE failed to shoot out the tires or shoot him through one of the windshields, depending on the direction he took off in, how long before SWAT and choppers showed up to take him down?

Trying to read a dead man's mind and mulling over what ifs aren't going to answer whether the LE used excessive force or not. The DA will announce soon whether charges will be laid. When compared to similar cases and under the current atmosphere, who knows what the LE will face.

 

[Rocco]

So they didn't shoot him first? So he could kill a cop? So he could get away?

We do not know what he was thinking and we will never know. Seems the core question is did the LE use excessive force or not.

I think we do know what he was thinking. In an interview he did on May 16th, he said 'any bit of trouble and back to jail I go.'

 

[GoBuckeyes]

With the recent events, I feel that we are being forced to gloss over the fact that in the majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent situations such as this from turning into a tragedy.

jmo

Well said, Tippy!! Very well said!!

 

[MajorHoople]

I wonder if Justin Timberlake knows about Rayshards arrest and conviction for Child cruelty, and domestic violence and kidnapping?

It really bothers me the way everyone is playing up his fatherhood and his being a dad to an 8 yr old. As if the officers he was assaulting aren't fathers, and didnt want to go home to their families either.


Georgia Prison (DOC) Arrest Records for Inmate RAYSHARD BROOKS

RAYSHARD BROOKS Arrest Details



Georgia (GA) Prison Arrest Details
NAME: BROOKS, RAYSHARD
GDC ID: 1001370147

PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION
YOB: 1993
RACE: BLACK
GENDER: MALE
HEIGHT: 5'07''
WEIGHT: 185
EYE COLOR: BROWN
HAIR COLOR: BLACK

SCARS, MARKS, TATTOOS


INCARCERATION DETAILS
MAJOR OFFENSE: FALSE IMPRISONMENT
MOST RECENT INSTITUTION: MITCHELL COUNTY CI
MAX POSSIBLE RELEASE DATE: 12/23/2014

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ACTUAL RELEASE DATE: 12/23/2014
CURRENT STATUS: INACTIVE


KNOWN ALIASES
A.K.A. BROOKS,RAGSHARD
A.K.A. BROOKS,RASHAD
A.K.A. BROOKS,RAY ANTONIO
A.K.A. BROOKS,RAY POZ
A.K.A. BROOKS,RAYSARD
A.K.A. BROOKS,RAYSHARD

STATE OF GEORGIA - CURRENT SENTENCES
CASE NO: 794205
OFFENSE: simple battery
CONVICTION COUNTY: CLAYTON COUNTY
CRIME COMMIT DATE: 03/31/2014
SENTENCE LENGTH: 0 YEARS, 12 MONTHS, 0 DAYS

CASE NO: 794205
OFFENSE: cruelty to children
CONVICTION COUNTY: CLAYTON COUNTY
CRIME COMMIT DATE: 03/31/2014
SENTENCE LENGTH: 0 YEARS, 12 MONTHS, 0 DAYS

CASE NO: 794205
OFFENSE: FALSE IMPRISONMENT
CONVICTION COUNTY: CLAYTON COUNTY
CRIME COMMIT DATE: 03/31/2014
SENTENCE LENGTH: 7 YEARS, 0 MONTHS, 0 DAYS

CASE NO: 794205
OFFENSE: family violence battery
CONVICTION COUNTY: CLAYTON COUNTY
CRIME COMMIT DATE: 03/31/2014
SENTENCE LENGTH: 0 YEARS, 12 MONTHS, 0 DAYS

CASE NO: 794205
OFFENSE: THEFT BY REC STOLEN PROP
CONVICTION COUNTY: CLAYTON COUNTY
CRIME COMMIT DATE: 03/02/2013
SENTENCE LENGTH: 7 YEARS, 0 MONTHS, 0 DAYS

CASE NO: 794205
OFFENSE: CRMNL INTERFERE GOVT PROP
CONVICTION COUNTY: CLAYTON COUNTY
CRIME COMMIT DATE: 03/02/2013
SENTENCE LENGTH: 5 YEARS, 0 MONTHS, 0 DAYS

CASE NO: 794205
OFFENSE: obstr of law enf officer
CONVICTION COUNTY: CLAYTON COUNTY
CRIME COMMIT DATE: 03/02/2013
SENTENCE LENGTH: 0 YEARS, 12 MONTHS, 0 DAYS

STATE OF GEORGIA - PRIOR SENTENCES
STATE OF GEORGIA - INCARCERATION HISTORY
INCARCERATION BEGIN: 08/29/2014
INCARCERATION END: 12/23/2014
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Seems as if he's made a lot of bad choices in life.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I’ve always wondered why police officers don’t shoot someone in the leg to stop them (if the person is unarmed) instead of shooting to kill. But I don’t know what their training tells them about that. JMO

Imo, it's obvious. Anyone who has training in firearms knows how difficult it is to shoot a smaller target when in motion.

Shooting someone in the leg isnt going to stop the threat. That's the reason they are taught to aim for body mass because it's a larger target with the suspect constantly moving. If they try to shoot a constantly moving subject in the leg or arm there is far more greater risk they will miss the target, and heightens the risk of bystanders being unintentionally shot.

Regular police officers dont even aim for headshots because it takes so much expertise in doing so. That is why the officers at a scene calls in the SWAT team who are highly trained to take precision shots when needed such as in a stand off or hostage situation in order to end the threat.

Real life police work isnt anything like fictional movies. Everything is changing second by second.

Jmho

 

[Curiosity1234]

I’ll add change that to call them a taxi and have them delivered to the mayor’s house and I don’t have a problem.

In an earlier thread I said they could have impounded the car and sent him home in a taxi ( I meant at his own expense) LE has done that in other cases. In a small town where there are no body cams or dash cams and no one called in a complaint, sure they could do that. In this case, maybe not. Someone called in a complaint and everything is on body cam ; the entire conversation including the field sobriety test. If they had put him in a taxi or let him walk away, LE would have been responsible for anything he did or anything that happened to him. Once it was determined he was legally drunk they could not let him go. I believe LE is legally required to take him in for DUI; he did drive the car in front of the officer.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Curiosity, I just wanted to clarify that the % I used in the italicized quote were "what if" there were marked differences in the percentages by region and the importance of finding out what ...if any differences there are. The actual statistics available according to the Bureau of Justice on the victimization rate by region per 1000 African Americans show the Northeast with 30.3%, Midwest 42.6%, South 22%, West 37%. These percentages are for African American victims of all crime not just police shootings.

"The urban area of New York City and Tulsa may have a rate closer to 4% while suburban areas or a city like Asheville is closer to 1%"

Thank you. How interesting when we have real facts, and statistics to follow.

The most interesting part to me is the South is the least likely area for AAs to be victimized overall by anyone.

Yet the South has very highly dense population areas of AAs who have resided in the South all of their lives or left to move to northeastern or midwestern states, but have now returned to their birthplace. Maybe these statistics shows why they are returning or staying put in the South because they know its safer.

Imo, it shows when many say the South is the most dangerous or racist area for AAs it simply is NOT true no matter how many times its said. It shows how dangerous inaccurate misinformation can be when left uncontested.

It seems all other geographical areas in the country are higher when it comes to the victimization of AAs no matter who the offenders happens to be.

Jmho

 

[oviedo]

I heard on the radio this morning more people are saying the use of deadly force was necessary based on what they saw in the video - his turning to fire the taser seems to be the sticking point for most dissension IMO. The DA has to make a decision and the outcome could harm his city unfortunately -
JMO

 

[SugarQueen]

IF the officer is charged there will be no doubt in MY mind it was done to appease some people.
The fact that the whole thing happened is awful. Brooks shouldn’t have died that night BUT he put himself in that position. No officer starts their shift thinking they will kill someone that night. It isn’t their goal. Imagine how hard it has to be for that officer right now. Not only was he forced to kill someone but now he is being portrayed as a murderer. He was fired with no investigation. No thought put into it except what would appease those who think all cops are racist. He must be worried not only about being charged, or the loss of a job, but the safety of his family , and himself.
I see the word empathy thrown around a lot. Where is the empathy towards this officer and his family??

IMO, MOO, ETC.

 

[Trident]

I heard on the radio this morning more people are saying the use of deadly force was necessary based on what they saw in the video - his turning to fire the taser seems to be the sticking point for most dissension IMO. The DA has to make a decision and the outcome could harm his city unfortunately -
JMO

If the outcome harms the city, I believe it will be because of a lawless element that advocates mob rule. We used to have a system of law and order, now it seems the system is by coercion, violence, and threats of violence.

There are many people, tax-paying people, who are starting to see this whole stinking mess for what it really is. I wonder how long people of good will will stand quietly by and watch others kneel down to violent criminals and extortioners.

MY OPINION ONLY

 

[Curiosity1234]

IF the officer is charged there will be no doubt in MY mind it was done to appease some people.
The fact that the whole thing happened is awful. Brooks shouldn’t have died that night BUT he put himself in that position. No officer starts their shift thinking they will kill someone that night. It isn’t their goal. Imagine how hard it has to be for that officer right now. Not only was he forced to kill someone but now he is being portrayed as a murderer. He was fired with no investigation. No thought put into it except what would appease those who think all cops are racist. He must be worried not only about being charged, or the loss of a job, but the safety of his family , and himself.
I see the word empathy thrown around a lot. Where is the empathy towards this officer and his family??

IMO, MOO, ETC.

There doesn't seem to be any public sentiment of empathy or compassion for the officer. Many view him as the criminal. Really tragic. He's a hero when he's needed but a villain when there is even a hint of impropriety before an investigation is even launched.

 

[grammieto5]

Seems as if he's made a lot of bad choices in life.

Are you speaking of Rayshard Brooks or Justin Timberlake ?

 

[SugarQueen]

Are you speaking of Rayshard Brooks or Justin Timberlake ?

Not MajorHoople but I would guess Brooks.

 

[oviedo]

If the outcome harms the city, I believe it will be because of a lawless element that advocates mob rule. We used to have a system of law and order, now it seems the system is by coercion, violence, and threats of violence.

There are many people, tax-paying people, who are starting to see this whole stinking mess for what it really is. I wonder how long people of good will will stand quietly by and watch others kneel down to violent criminals and extortioners.

MY OPINION ONLY

yep - and what is that old quote - "when good people stand by and do nothing..." -
dailymail released photos of the arson suspect
Atlanta fire chiefs release new photos of a female suspect in blaze that destroyed Wendy's | Daily Mail Online
Verifying videos of arson suspect accused of burning down Atlanta Wendy's

 

[Curiosity1234]

Are you speaking of Rayshard Brooks or Justin Timberlake ?

Maybe both. They are both "bad boys". JT seems to have toned his down a bit.

 

[SugarQueen]

I’m still waiting to see any photos or videos of someone STARTING the fire. Telling me she was seen spraying an accelerant on the flames doesn’t tell me who STARTED the fire. I’m not saying it wasn’t her just that the articles aren’t making sense.

 

[oviedo]

I’m still waiting to see any photos or videos of someone STARTING the fire. Telling me she was seen spraying an accelerant on the flames doesn’t tell me who STARTED the fire. I’m not saying it wasn’t her just that the articles aren’t making sense.

Agreed - I've been hunting and haven't run across any video of the start of the fires either. Sleuthers - anyone finding this in MSM?