GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #2

[atthelake]

ce:

No offense, but I hope you're wrong. lease:

Shelby, I did a post above just now as I presumed what you meant, please correct or add as I do not want to be speaking for you, but I just perhaps did.
:seeya:

 

[smokey]

Sneiderman bond modification hearing rescheduled


http://decatur.11alive.com/news/news/136355-sneiderman-bond-modification-hearing-rescheduled

 

[atthelake]

Even though it feels a bit like I'm swimming upstream, I still really want to believe that Andrea Sneiderman, although foolish, did not have fore-knowledge that HN was plotting the murder of Rusty. If that is true, then her combative attitude on the witness stand is justified, at least to me. When she testified, HN had already confessed to the murder. He was on trial, yet the Prosecutor was questioning her as if SHE were on trial. She had not been charged with anything at that time. I do believe that she had the affair with HN which placed her in the glare of guilt by association with her lover. IF she were innocent of pre-knowledge of HN's evil plot, she must have felt tremendous guilt and did not want to admit the affair to her and Rusty's family and friends. She found herself in a horrible situation. But she trapped herself by lying about the affair.

HN's lawyer has said she "played HN like a fiddle" in manipulating him into murdering Rusty. Where would she get such precise psychological insight into his mental condition? The experts who testified in his trial could not agree on his exact mental state at the time of the murder. How could an untrained person like AS have the skill and insight into a man with a delusion, as to be a "puppet master" to move him to murder? Andrea may be smart, but is she that smart?

In the end, she may be guilty. But I want to hear ALL the evidence before I say, YES, she knew and plotted along with HN in the death of her husband.

I am a fellow salmon swimming upstream with you then, but I do not think we are in the minority and swimming upstream though. As much as what she did, and what we know as timing on calls after the gas leak, and the call after he purchased the gun (no pun intended as to Speakerdave request for smoking gun request) ....it is just that folks who have affairs know how to cover tracks so any conspiracy would be well covered by educated folks :blush: ...and I hope the DA has more than we have seen. This is going to be potentially a very difficult case for the jury....perhaps. We will have to await more information. I am so spoiled by my last case with the sunshine laws as we commented and discussed way ahead of FCA trial, but this one we are going to potentially have to move at the same spped as jurors do :gasp:

ETA - I really really want it to come into evidence the gas company result of the gas leak, or follow up to what caused that smell. Also, the call that she did or he did which I believe was separate from the gas event about their garage door being opened by someone...wanna hear more on that.

 

[noor]

I'm watching IS right now, there's a Dr. C testifying right now, she interviewd Hemy.
She said she thought that Hemy told her that he knew the code to open the garage door, if that's true, that's very damning for Andrea.
How could he know the code, Andrea must have told him.
There's no other way for him to know any other way.

 

[SpeakerDave]

Speakerdave, I understand that your Atlanta group is meeting this Thursday in Dunwoody at a pub to discuss this case. I know there are at least seven of us :websleuther: in the greater Atlanta metro area that might want to attend the 6-9 meeting. Can you post here if you want some of us to join you?

I do not do twitter, so perhaps someone else can repost any of your tweets here. (Imho we are not supposed to do tweets from non-msm, but since you are an approved lawyer here at WS, I do not think that would be an issue.)

If you live in the Atlanta area and want to discuss this case in-person, and maintain an open mind about Andrea's guilt, then you are welcome to attend. I will not tolerate a lynch mob attitude. It is okay to say you think she is guilty, but you have to be open to the possibility that you have rushed to judgment without hearing any defense. In you only listen to the prosecution in any case, you will convict every time. In this case, you heard both the prosecution and the defense attack Andrea.

 

[atthelake]

I'm watching IS right now, there's a Dr. C testifying right now, she interviewd Hemy.
She said she thought that Hemy told her that he knew the code to open the garage door, if that's true, that's very damning for Andrea.
How could he know the code, Andrea must have told him.
There's no other way for him to know any other way.

Yes, just goes to show that perhaps they will need as a defense to admit and state they were having an affair to explain most of the evidence presented at the Neuman trial such as the code and calls. Will they just do in opening statements (they HAVE TO ADMIT IMHO to even consider a defense,) and will that have sway?


I have seen on other sites the question of "is Andrea guily" As usual, it makes me :banghead: that this question is not refined. So many charges. Yep, it looks likw IMHO a slam dunk for lying/affair. From that, I do have opinion but I WOULD BE OPEN TO BE ON JURY AND CHANGE MIND? But the rest, much more to come from the DA I would expect. As to RICO and all the other charges, I await trial and more in court testimony.

 

[atthelake]

Just watching IS and localAtlanta folks, they just said two minutes after I posted above! They are saying Slam dunk as to affair, nothing as to cospirarcy, and defense has to admit affair! That is what they are saying with Vinnie.

 

[atthelake]

The THs are saying she should admit to gain credibility, to admit affair and question other witnesses, and defense has to do "tent peg" that the State needs to prove that. The THS say that neither would not want Hemy on stand.

 

[dragonfly]

There are so many similarites to the Rusty Sneiderman Murder case.
I saw this on the TV series Snapped and I think it also was portrayed on other shows similar to this.
Does anyone remember the case of murder of Thad Reynolds in Rome Ga. He was
murdered by Scott Harper. Scott was having an affair with Thad's wife Michele. They
were both couples with children and deeply involved in their Baptist church.

Long story short Scott Harper is convicted of first degree murger and sentence to
LWOP. Michele who "only" told Scott that they could never be together unless he
outlived Thad. and constantly made Thad's whereabout and schedule known to Scott, and tells Scott he will have to tell Thad about their affair and break the news
to her husband and it could get "ugly". When a number of early attempts fail Michele
becomes cold to Scott and it drive him crazy with desire. One morning he goes to Thad's workplace and stabs him repeatedly killing him viciously.

Scott Harper pleaded guilty to the murder and agreed to testify against Michelle under one condition -- neither of them would get the death penalty. He was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
Michelle also pleaded guilty voluntary manslaughter. She was sentenced to 20 years in the slam, minus the five she's already served awaiting trial.
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/michelle_reynolds_plotted_with.php
I bring this up because it doesn't seem that Michele did much more than Andrea did and it sure put her butt in jail for 20 years.

 

[ChickenPants]

I'm not offended, but I'm wondering why you would want someone convicted of murder if the evidence isn't there?

I know someone started a list in this thread, but I would be thrilled if everyone would post the Top 5 (or more) pieces of evidence you think constitute the "smoking gun" of Andrea's guilt of murder. Maybe I can play devil's advocate and try to show that evidence isn't as strong as you think.

You need not point to the contradictory testimony about when Andrea called people and told them Rusty had been shot and killed. I'm in the middle of a blog post about that. But what else is strong enough to show she had Hemy kill Rusty?

I'm with you in that it would not be right, nor just, to convict a person without evidence. I don't know if my "top 5" pieces of "evidence" would be sufficient to overcome the reasonable doubt. Her behavior is certainly suspicious, and if they can prove the affair beyond a doubt she can be convicted on the perjury charge.

1. Her denials - or twisting of facts - regarding the alleged affair. As I stated earlier, even if it didn't happen, why the hostility and the barbed comments to the prosecutor who is trying to put away her husband's killer? It appears that by this behavior she is trying to stick her finger in the dam after the fact because she knows more and is digging in her heels to save herself.

2. Her alibis about the shooting, discrepancies about what she told her friend (or vice versa) regarding Hemy as a suspect, and other things she argued about on the stand don't stand up to scrutiny. The amount of discrepancies are overwhelmingly against her and the fact that she placed all of the blame on Hemy rather than taking ANY responsibility for her own actions in the relationship are troubling to me. The testimony of Shayna Citron stating that she really felt they were having an affair; Andrea's amazingly arrogant actions in the courtroom, threatening Citron and trying to get into the witness room, etc.

3. The fact that both prosecution and defense placed her squarely in the middle as either the manipulator or co-conspirator is highly unusual and seems to indicate there was and is strong evidence (some of which we may yet not know) to convict her.

4. The fact that Hemy had such detailed information about her home and Rusty's routine DOWN TO THE MINUTE he would be taking a child to day care, for instance, I find to be unusual. Even in a "close" co-worker relationship I have a problem that much information being shared about family members. Her sending hundreds of pictures of her children to him, complaining to him about Rusty's so-called neglect of the children. This seems to indicate that she was setting up a situation to have him help her perhaps change her situation.

5. Her behavior in the emergency room, bizarre by the accounts of the witnesses, and by any standard. Similar behavior from Conrad Murray, convicted of the killing of Michael Jackson, led to his conviction.

6. The fact that she withheld information from the police about her alleged "suspicions" that HN could be the killer. Her explanation of that was ridiculous. ALL of her explanations about any evidence that shows her involvement with Neuman in any way - her arrogant and adamnant denials - shows me she is hiding things.

7. A person who was not guilty and not involved would not go to the extremes she has to cover things up.

8. I.e., having Hemy get her computer for her and DELETING. IDK if there will be testimony from Steve Sneiderman about how Andrea and her mother and brother tried to prevent the police from searching the house?

These items (and I could think of more) do not qualify as forensic evidence. But we know that circumstantial evidence is, after all, evidence. If she was not involved, I would hope the defense can provide EVIDENCE to the contrary, although they are not obliged to do so. For her sake, I think they should try, though.

MOO

Thanks so much for your insights.

 

[atthelake]

Her best best friend in the world turned against her, that says worlds to me! It does concern me that Shayna did not testify at the bond hearing, and her lawyer stood in and the defense said that she recanted, but did not say what part she was supposedly recanting. Iirc. When I heard him state that, my thought was defense atty was trying to mislead by his lack of specificity.

I'm with you in that it would not be right, nor just, to convict a person without evidence. I don't know if my "top 5" pieces of "evidence" would be sufficient to overcome the reasonable doubt. Her behavior is certainly suspicious, and if they can prove the affair beyond a doubt she can be convicted on the perjury charge.

1. Her denials - or twisting of facts - regarding the alleged affair. As I stated earlier, even if it didn't happen, why the hostility and the barbed comments to the prosecutor who is trying to put away her husband's killer? It appears that by this behavior she is trying to stick her finger in the dam after the fact because she knows more and is digging in her heels to save herself.

2. Her alibis about the shooting, discrepancies about what she told her friend (or vice versa) regarding Hemy as a suspect, and other things she argued about on the stand don't stand up to scrutiny. The amount of discrepancies are overwhelmingly against her and the fact that she placed all of the blame on Hemy rather than taking ANY responsibility for her own actions in the relationship are troubling to me. The testimony of Shayna Citron stating that she really felt they were having an affair; Andrea's amazingly arrogant actions in the courtroom, threatening Citron and trying to get into the witness room, etc.

3. The fact that both prosecution and defense placed her squarely in the middle as either the manipulator or co-conspirator is highly unusual and seems to indicate there was and is strong evidence (some of which we may yet not know) to convict her.

4. The fact that Hemy had such detailed information about her home and Rusty's routine DOWN TO THE MINUTE he would be taking a child to day care, for instance, I find to be unusual. Even in a "close" co-worker relationship I have a problem that much information being shared about family members. Her sending hundreds of pictures of her children to him, complaining to him about Rusty's so-called neglect of the children. This seems to indicate that she was setting up a situation to have him help her perhaps change her situation.

5. Her behavior in the emergency room, bizarre by the accounts of the witnesses, and by any standard. Similar behavior from Conrad Murray, convicted of the killing of Michael Jackson, led to his conviction.

6. The fact that she withheld information from the police about her alleged "suspicions" that HN could be the killer. Her explanation of that was ridiculous. ALL of her explanations about any evidence that shows her involvement with Neuman in any way - her arrogant and adamnant denials - shows me she is hiding things.

7. A person who was not guilty and not involved would not go to the extremes she has to cover things up.

8. I.e., having Hemy get her computer for her and DELETING. IDK if there will be testimony from Steve Sneiderman about how Andrea and her mother and brother tried to prevent the police from searching the house?

These items (and I could think of more) do not qualify as forensic evidence. But we know that circumstantial evidence is, after all, evidence. If she was not involved, I would hope the defense can provide EVIDENCE to the contrary, although they are not obliged to do so. For her sake, I think they should try, though.

MOO

Thanks so much for your insights.

 

[SpeakerDave]

I cannot find any local network that will stream the hearings today or tomorrow. Tragic.

 

[SpeakerDave]

One local network responded to me and said not streaming. I have asked local networks to live-tweet the hearing. Hopefully they will listen. If you use Twitter: ask these folks to stream Andrea Sneiderman hearings (and follow me @SpeakerDave): @wsbtv @jleslie11alive @fox5atlanta @Fox5KPratt @JenniferBanksTV

 

[SpeakerDave]

Update on hearing to unfreeze assets today. DA Moved to dismiss case in DeKalb County b/c Andrea had deposited funds in a branch in Fulton County (both counties in metro-Atlanta area). At same time, DA filed case to freeze $$ in Fulton County this morning, and Judge has already frozen the assets. Andrea will likely intervene there, and Rusty's brother will intervene there on behalf of Sneiderman kids to prevent Andrea from getting the money even if she is able to unfreeze.

 

[Roy23]

I'm not offended, but I'm wondering why you would want someone convicted of murder if the evidence isn't there?

I know someone started a list in this thread, but I would be thrilled if everyone would post the Top 5 (or more) pieces of evidence you think constitute the "smoking gun" of Andrea's guilt of murder. Maybe I can play devil's advocate and try to show that evidence isn't as strong as you think.

You need not point to the contradictory testimony about when Andrea called people and told them Rusty had been shot and killed. I'm in the middle of a blog post about that. But what else is strong enough to show she had Hemy kill Rusty?

Speaker Dave,

I am from Dunwoody so I am a little familiar with the case. I realize we know of no definitive proof of guilt. But something that really bothers me is the sketch of the killer. It was many weeks before HN was arrested and surely AS saw the sketch. She 100% had to know who killed her husband. Look at the sketch.

 

[Davita]

I'm not offended, but I'm wondering why you would want someone convicted of murder if the evidence isn't there?

Sometimes there are no evidence to show a person is guilty, but it does not mean the person is innocent.

The prosecution is yet to show what they intend to bring to the table.

 

[SpeakerDave]

Speaker Dave,

I am from Dunwoody so I am a little familiar with the case. I realize we know of no definitive proof of guilt. But something that really bothers me is the sketch of the killer. It was many weeks before HN was arrested and surely AS saw the sketch. She 100% had to know who killed her husband. Look at the sketch.

Good point, and I would agree the sketch looks Like Hemy, a little heavier in the face, with a beard. However, some people have commented that the sketch and Hemy look nothing alike. Some people just don't have the ability to make that connection. Some people think I look like Kevin Klein, but I don't see it.

 

[atthelake]

:gasp: :gasp: tee hee :rocker:

Good point, and I would agree the sketch looks Like Hemy, a little heavier in the face, with a beard. However, some people have commented that the sketch and Hemy look nothing alike. Some people just don't have the ability to make that connection. Some people think I look like Kevin Klein, but I don't see it.

 

[SpeakerDave]

Andrea will be in court again today at 1:30pm (I don't expect live video, but a local Atlanta reporter was very good yesterday about live-tweeting everything from the Court room, and I'll watch that). Andrea will ask the Judge to modiby her house arrest consitions to permit her to attend synagogue/Jewish religious services.

I just checked the Court Docket, and on the 18th there were several requests filed to install recording equipment. There may be live streaming video on Atlanta's local network websites. Check these out: Fox5 Atlanta, CBS Atlanta, WSBTV, and 11Alive -- I'll try to post links if they are available.

So - should Andrea Sneiderman be allowed to attend synagogue while on house arrest? And, if yes, what conditions would you place on her when she does attend synagogue? If you wouldn't let her attend synagogue, why not?

 

[robinparten]

Andrea will be in court again today at 1:30pm (I don't expect live video, but a local Atlanta reporter was very good yesterday about live-tweeting everything from the Court room, and I'll watch that). Andrea will ask the Judge to modiby her house arrest consitions to permit her to attend synagogue/Jewish religious services.

I just checked the Court Docket, and on the 18th there were several requests filed to install recording equipment. There may be live streaming video on Atlanta's local network websites. Check these out: Fox5 Atlanta, CBS Atlanta, WSBTV, and 11Alive -- I'll try to post links if they are available.

So - should Andrea Sneiderman be allowed to attend synagogue while on house arrest? And, if yes, what conditions would you place on her when she does attend synagogue? If you wouldn't let her attend synagogue, why not?

No, I would not let her attend. House arrest means house arrest. She can watch any number of religious ceremonies on TV.