GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #2

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Andrea will be in court again today at 1:30pm (I don't expect live video, but a local Atlanta reporter was very good yesterday about live-tweeting everything from the Court room, and I'll watch that). Andrea will ask the Judge to modiby her house arrest consitions to permit her to attend synagogue/Jewish religious services.

I just checked the Court Docket, and on the 18th there were several requests filed to install recording equipment. There may be live streaming video on Atlanta's local network websites. Check these out: Fox5 Atlanta, CBS Atlanta, WSBTV, and 11Alive -- I'll try to post links if they are available.

So - should Andrea Sneiderman be allowed to attend synagogue while on house arrest? And, if yes, what conditions would you place on her when she does attend synagogue? If you wouldn't let her attend synagogue, why not?

I have absolutely no legal background! So cannot answer your question as it is posed to what should I do as the judge. But my opinion as a layperson here is that I definitely would not allow as she has already shown a disposition to influence (Shana Citron escapade).

I do realize that she "moved" her religious attendance from her old place of worship (I'm stating this due to the DAY AFTER Rusty was shot, she did NOT contact her current then Rabbi, but went to the Rabbi (who testified) in Johns Creek Georgia, who she had NO PRIOR RELATIONSHIP. But still, just her being in the congregation..........think it may influence others.

And also put the congregation in a position to her trial as to being witnesses as to her appearance/demeanor etc. EGADS! I would think the court can/should squash this one easily and slam it down. :moo: and all that stuff.
 
I'm with you in that it would not be right, nor just, to convict a person without evidence. I don't know if my "top 5" pieces of "evidence" would be sufficient to overcome the reasonable doubt. Her behavior is certainly suspicious, and if they can prove the affair beyond a doubt she can be convicted on the perjury charge.

1. Her denials - or twisting of facts - regarding the alleged affair. As I stated earlier, even if it didn't happen, why the hostility and the barbed comments to the prosecutor who is trying to put away her husband's killer? It appears that by this behavior she is trying to stick her finger in the dam after the fact because she knows more and is digging in her heels to save herself.

2. Her alibis about the shooting, discrepancies about what she told her friend (or vice versa) regarding Hemy as a suspect, and other things she argued about on the stand don't stand up to scrutiny. The amount of discrepancies are overwhelmingly against her and the fact that she placed all of the blame on Hemy rather than taking ANY responsibility for her own actions in the relationship are troubling to me. The testimony of Shayna Citron stating that she really felt they were having an affair; Andrea's amazingly arrogant actions in the courtroom, threatening Citron and trying to get into the witness room, etc.

3. The fact that both prosecution and defense placed her squarely in the middle as either the manipulator or co-conspirator is highly unusual and seems to indicate there was and is strong evidence (some of which we may yet not know) to convict her.

4. The fact that Hemy had such detailed information about her home and Rusty's routine DOWN TO THE MINUTE he would be taking a child to day care, for instance, I find to be unusual. Even in a "close" co-worker relationship I have a problem that much information being shared about family members. Her sending hundreds of pictures of her children to him, complaining to him about Rusty's so-called neglect of the children. This seems to indicate that she was setting up a situation to have him help her perhaps change her situation.

5. Her behavior in the emergency room, bizarre by the accounts of the witnesses, and by any standard. Similar behavior from Conrad Murray, convicted of the killing of Michael Jackson, led to his conviction.

6. The fact that she withheld information from the police about her alleged "suspicions" that HN could be the killer. Her explanation of that was ridiculous. ALL of her explanations about any evidence that shows her involvement with Neuman in any way - her arrogant and adamnant denials - shows me she is hiding things.

7. A person who was not guilty and not involved would not go to the extremes she has to cover things up.

8. I.e., having Hemy get her computer for her and DELETING. IDK if there will be testimony from Steve Sneiderman about how Andrea and her mother and brother tried to prevent the police from searching the house?

These items (and I could think of more) do not qualify as forensic evidence. But we know that circumstantial evidence is, after all, evidence. If she was not involved, I would hope the defense can provide EVIDENCE to the contrary, although they are not obliged to do so. For her sake, I think they should try, though.

MOO

Thanks so much for your insights.

Another addition is that on the DAY AFTER Rusty was killed, she did not contact her and Rusty's OWN LONGSTANDING Rabbi for comfort and to come to shiva, but called a Rabbi from another.......not sure of term.......but place of worship in ANOTHER TOWN! That to me says volumes. (especially as of right now she is in court to go to holidays with her "new" congregation? Gosh forbid if she goes to her "old" congregation. Does anyone know if Shana Citron is jewish and she goes to that place of worship?
 
Just posted on tweets at https://twitter.com/petchenikwsb. NOTE: This is a reporter at WSB in Atlanta who tweeted throughout the hearing today (see below). I've never done tweets, but everyone apparently can see tweets!? The outcome is done..........

Judge has ruled! She will be allowed to attend religious services.
 
Just posted on tweets at https://twitter.com/petchenikwsb. NOTE: This is a reporter at WSB in Atlanta who tweeted throughout the hearing today (see below). I've never done tweets, but everyone apparently can see tweets!? The outcome is done..........

Judge has ruled! She will be allowed to attend religious services.

This ruling really pi_ _es me off!! She can watch religious services on TV.

If I were her I wouldn't want to show my face!
 
and who will make sure she IS going to the synagogue and not to freaking Macy's?
 
and who will make sure she IS going to the synagogue and not to freaking Macy's?

The folks that monitor her ankle bracelet will be responsible Seattle. That was discusssed at the bond hearing who would make sure of her location. And as I read, she has fifteen minutes for travel from what media is saying now. It is my understanding that she has a GPS so she will not be going to go shopping imho.
 
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This ruling really pi_ _es me off!! She can watch religious services on TV.

If I were her I wouldn't want to show my face!

In trying to think as she does, this may be an unfullfilled requst. She, the day after Rusty's death changed religous support oytside her and Rusty's place of worship. My thoght is that yet again, the DA did not object just to have a fiasco or her hanging herself with words or actions for this. If I were a defense atty, and they are so much smarter than me, but I would not have my client going to religious stuff right noe knowowing that it can do more harm than good to my case. But she has never listened to them before....and reminds me so very much of Drew Peterson's personality! And we know how that must ended....but they are so so so alike imho!
 
This ruling really pi_ _es me off!! She can watch religious services on TV.

If I were her I wouldn't want to show my face!

I am Jewish, and I highly doubt that there are Yom Kippur services on TV. Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the Jewish year, and it is noteworthy that it is the day when you ask God (and other people) for forgiveness for your transgressions in the past year. It is the day of atonement. Personally I don't mind her going to synagogue to ask for atonement. This is not a phone-it-in type of situation.

It's not important to attend synagogue on Hanukkah (for which she has been granted synagogue attendance). You can observe Hanukkah perfectly well in your own home. It is not a major Jewish holiday, its proximity to Christmas has blown it up to become a gift-giving holiday for Jews.

Also, to answer someone else's question... yes, she regularly attended religious services when I knew her in college. This is not a new thing for her.

Also, I am not particularly concerned that she has become close to a rabbi at a different congregation from her previous congregation. It is not unheard of for a Jewish person to participate in Jewish life in more than one location. I do it myself. He might be her parents' rabbi. We don't know.

I am by NO means an Andrea supporter, but I thought I'd give my two cents on the Jewish issues.
 
What I want to know is if she will be able to go to her "new synagogue" or have to stay in Dunwoody. The odds of her getting from Dunwoody to Johns Creek in 15 minutes on a Tuesday evening are slim and none!


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At this point, Andrea and her children are living with her parents. It is a condition of her house arrest. I assume she will accompany her parents to services on Yom Kippur.
 
I am Jewish, and I highly doubt that there are Yom Kippur services on TV. Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the Jewish year, and it is noteworthy that it is the day when you ask God (and other people) for forgiveness for your transgressions in the past year. It is the day of atonement. Personally I don't mind her going to synagogue to ask for atonement. This is not a phone-it-in type of situation.

It's not important to attend synagogue on Hanukkah (for which she has been granted synagogue attendance). You can observe Hanukkah perfectly well in your own home. It is not a major Jewish holiday, its proximity to Christmas has blown it up to become a gift-giving holiday for Jews.

Also, to answer someone else's question... yes, she regularly attended religious services when I knew her in college. This is not a new thing for her.

Also, I am not particularly concerned that she has become close to a rabbi at a different congregation from her previous congregation. It is not unheard of for a Jewish person to participate in Jewish life in more than one location. I do it myself. He might be her parents' rabbi. We don't know.

I am by NO means an Andrea supporter, but I thought I'd give my two cents on the Jewish issues.

I think I asked you questions before about Andrea's so-called "religosity" and you responded that although she attended services and etc., she was not particularly religious or even spiritual.

Interesting comment about what can be inferred from her wanting to attend Yom Kippur - the high holy day of Atonment - to ask forgiveness. Would she be asking for general forgiveness, forgiveness for having an affair, for being if not involved a stand-by do-nothing silent affirmation toward Rusty's murder, for betraying him by "holding hands" and "playing house" in motel rooms? We may never know.

I firmly believe that ANYBODY, under the right set of circumstances, time, place, state of mind, mood, etc., can make mistakes, even grievous, life-altering mistakes of the worst kind. But a person can't change, move forward, heal, make restitution, find peace, make a firm purpose of amendment, etc....until they accept and process and admit/confess their error. Here is the problem with Andrea. She doesn't think she did anything wrong. She could have even admitted on the witness stand that her behavior was inappropriate and wrong and bad and misleading without ever admitting to an affair. The jury could have deducted whether Hemy was insane or not. The issue is that they had an INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIP and that Hemy himself took that to a whole new level which culminated in Rusty's murder.

There have been plenty of instances where people had "affairs" of the heart minus the sexual element. Duels aren't fought any more, but the same elements are there. It makes sense that the romantic, loving intimacies minus the sex would fuel the fire of the passion. To me, it's obvious that he was "in love" with her and she did nothing to dissuade that love, she only gave and then withheld hers enough to either create problems or exacerbate already existing ones (as the defense pointed out).

I am familiar with the Old Testament (Torah) and the commandments, the laws of the Jewish faith, which precede the practices. Unless Andrea has repented of her mis-deeds (and there's no evidence of that I'm aware of), her attendance at services is superfulous. But perhaps once there she will be inspired in the right direction. I don't know. I believe the judge's decision to allow here was more politically motivated than anything. Bearing in mind that judges are elected officials and that religious expression is at present a hotly debated topic he would be asking for trouble if he denied her that right.

As usual, MOO.
 
At this point, Andrea and her children are living with her parents. It is a condition of her house arrest. I assume she will accompany her parents to services on Yom Kippur.

Her parents have a house in Roswell IIRC. But didn't I read that they had purchased a place in Johns Creek recently...and then someone on threads said it was a townhouse? A few weeks back I peeked at the Fulton County records but did not see it listed, although it does take time to appear online as to property records.


Do others remember this? I seem to remember something about they wanted the kids to go to a better school system. Perhaps this was discussed in the bond hearing.
 
I think I asked you questions before about Andrea's so-called "religosity" and you responded that although she attended services and etc., she was not particularly religious or even spiritual.

I don't believe I said she was not particularly religious or spiritual. I might have said she was not particularly observant, meaning that she did not subscribe to Orthodox Judaism (not working or using lights or money or phones on the sabbath for instance). She did attend religious services and events when I knew her. I don't know if she was spiritual, as that is a more internal question and we did not talk about those issues.
 
I don't believe I said she was not particularly religious or spiritual. I might have said she was not particularly observant, meaning that she did not subscribe to Orthodox Judaism (not working or using lights or money or phones on the sabbath for instance). She did attend religious services and events when I knew her. I don't know if she was spiritual, as that is a more internal question and we did not talk about those issues.

I guess my point about being truly religious or spiritual relates to living out the beliefs and tenants of the faith, even if imperfectly. Often faith ethics go beyond social ethics if observed properly. At the very least, we can assume she broke some of the most basic commandments of Judaism. Fundamentally I'd hope that if a person willingly and knowingly breaks faith and still attends services, God would find a way to break through. The Judaeo-Christian (sp?) belief system constantly warns against outer observances when a person is being an intentional hypocrite. Only God can answer that "internal question" and maybe He knows something we don't, maybe she really believes she did nothing wrong....
 
A motion for discovery was filed today from what was postedby someone watching the OJS site (what is OJS?). Anyway, was suggested to email media and I realized we do not have a post that has media emails for those that are covering this story yet. Anyone wanna take that under wing and look at our media thread and do a compilation for this thread?

Not sure who here has media as their strength as I do not twitter and do not know how to look that up. I have learned the word "hashtag" in the last year, but about as much as I know as an old dog!
 
http://wap.wsbtv.com/site.htm?targetUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsbtv.com%2Fnews%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fsneiderman-trial-evidence-list-comes-light%2FnSNT2%2F

Release of discovery done today....

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Channel 2 Action News has obtained a new list of evidence for the upcoming trial of a woman accused of killing her husband outside their son&#8217;s day care.

<snip>

The 9,233-page discovery list includes many of the same witnesses from the Neuman trial, but also includes evidence specifically geared toward Andrea Sneiderman and their relationship.

<snip>

There are also disks containing call detail while Sneiderman was in the DeKalb County Jail. The jail confirms calls are recorded. Prosecutors specifically listed as evidence at least a dozen conversations with her parents, and eight calls to a number belonging to a man named Joseph Dell.

Channel 2 Action News cameras captured video of Dell leaving the courthouse with Sneiderman, the day a judge banned her from attending the rest of the Neuman trial. Court records show Dell's ex-wife had filed for divorce three days earlier, the same day Andrea took the stand in the case. According to Dell's divorce filing, he separated from his wife last summer, while she was six months pregnant.

Dell did not return calls for comment.

The attorneys in the case are all under a gag order, prohibiting them from speaking about the case.
 
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