GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam Co, 2 May 2014 - #13

[Ray_of_hope]

Was thinking about this case last night. The perp(s) certainly felt comfortable hanging out at the home and not being seen. They presumably carried the 3 foot table lamp from the home to the garage for better lighting. (Don't know the distance). They may have killed Shirley when they entered the home after her husband was murdered (Collateral damage). Could be that the home had both enough distance between other homes, plus foliage and canopy to hide them. However, they were there for a time, so they must have known that no one was coming. They apparently felt comfortable going in and out of the home and garage in order to carry out the grisly murders. People of the Drummond's means usually have cleaning help and grounds maintenance people who would know habits and schedules. I wonder if there was an argument over payment or just shady workers, perhaps. A neighbor had heard talking at the Drummond home before the murders.
I just wish that Sill's wouldn't let his pride get in the way of justice for the Drummond's. We've been looking at properties in GA, the Carolinas and VA and are making sure to steer clear of the area the Drummond's were living, despite it's beauty.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Was thinking about this case last night. The perp(s) certainly felt comfortable hanging out at the home and not being seen. They presumably carried the 3 foot table lamp from the home to the garage for better lighting. (Don't know the distance). They may have killed Shirley when they entered the home after her husband was murdered (Collateral damage). Could be that the home had both enough distance between other homes, plus foliage and canopy to hide them. However, they were there for a time, so they must have known that no one was coming. They apparently felt comfortable going in and out of the home and garage in order to carry out the grisly murders. People of the Drummond's means usually have cleaning help and grounds maintenance people who would know habits and schedules. I wonder if there was an argument over payment or just shady workers, perhaps. A neighbor had heard talking at the Drummond home before the murders.
I just wish that Sill's wouldn't let his pride get in the way of justice for the Drummond's. We've been looking at properties in GA, the Carolinas and VA and are making sure to steer clear of the area the Drummond's were living, despite it's beauty.

Well that's why that is a very unusual type of killer, and you have to look at evidence in the surrounding areas, to see if there is a guy who matches that profile. And is there a criminal in the area, who is very comfortable hanging around in other people's houses. And he does this by observing them, he reads their email, he looks at their phones. And plus he also knows if somebody comes to the house, he can keep the door locked, or exit out the back if he needs to. Yeah that's a very unusual type killer and there's only very few of that type of personality around. And police need to be honest with themselves, about if they know of that type of profile, around. I'm not sure they're willing to do that though.

 

[acehard]

I think that it was reported that both the Friday and Saturday newspapers were untouched outside. Perhaps the killer(s) entered the house sometime Friday morning. It would be interesting to know what time the newspapers were delivered, and when the Dermonds normally took them in. The killer(s) spent some time doing what they did; they may have been in the house for several hours, and taking Shirley to her death would have also taken some time.

No, Friday newspaper was read. Officially the crime took place between Fri 4pm and Sat 4pm or so. All this has been discussed in the older comments. Same with the water routes and all. I think someone even took pictures and video from the lake.

 

[Valiant]

Was thinking about this case last night. The perp(s) certainly felt comfortable hanging out at the home and not being seen. They presumably carried the 3 foot table lamp from the home to the garage for better lighting. (Don't know the distance). They may have killed Shirley when they entered the home after her husband was murdered (Collateral damage). Could be that the home had both enough distance between other homes, plus foliage and canopy to hide them. However, they were there for a time, so they must have known that no one was coming. They apparently felt comfortable going in and out of the home and garage in order to carry out the grisly murders. People of the Drummond's means usually have cleaning help and grounds maintenance people who would know habits and schedules. I wonder if there was an argument over payment or just shady workers, perhaps. A neighbor had heard talking at the Drummond home before the murders.
I just wish that Sill's wouldn't let his pride get in the way of justice for the Drummond's. We've been looking at properties in GA, the Carolinas and VA and are making sure to steer clear of the area the Drummond's were living, despite it's beauty.

My personal opinion is there is zero risk to the general public from this killer. This crime would not deter me from that area.

 

[MesquiteO21]

Just watched Nancy Grace’s video on this case and I either forgot or missed somehow that Russell was killed elsewhere and his body brought BACK to the garage for the beheading. So yeah this wasn’t a random killing or killing by a stranger. Perp(s) 100% knew the community, the layout, and felt comfortable there. They either lived there themselves or regularly spent time there either as friends/family of someone who lived in the community or as some type of maintenance worker. I’m thinking the latter, which I’m sure the police have explored as well. And would explain why it’s appeared to me that Sills does have a good idea of the perp(s)’s identity but hasn’t yet had the right evidence for an arrest.

Also wondering if perp(s) moved away, either out of state or country and that could also possibly account for this crime being unsolved for so many years

MOO

 

[Danaya]

I wouldn't be surprised if the person who killed the Dermonds had a deep, festering anger and resentment towards Russell that he had held on to for many years. JMO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Nah. Everybody always wants to make it personal. But that's not always the case. This is a serial killer who scoped out this couple and learned everything about them, before he acted. He entered the house before through surreptitious means, like lock picking, and already knew the layout. He probably did the Katie Janness murder in Atlanta too. He's a guy that lives in this area and has been operating in a suspicious manner for years, but the police don't want to investigate him.

 

[fsngruv]

Nah. Everybody always wants to make it personal. But that's not always the case. This is a serial killer who scoped out this couple and learned everything about them, before he acted. He entered the house before through surreptitious means, like lock picking, and already knew the layout. He probably did the Katie Janness murder in Atlanta too. He's a guy that lives in this area and has been operating in a suspicious manner for years, but the police don't want to investigate him.

Nah. That's definitely a stretch with connections only you can make in your head. It's fairly unlikely and there are no connections between the murders. I respect your opinion but that's definitely way out there and I can't even take it serious. Jmo.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Nah. That's definitely a stretch with connections only you can make in your head. It's fairly unlikely and there are no connections between the murders. I respect your opinion but that's definitely way out there and I can't even take it serious. Jmo.

Well both of them share mutilation and cutting off body parts. Both of them show running top speed after a fleeing victim. Both of them show complete boldness, in one case, boldly hanging around the house for a long time, in another case, boldly hanging around almost openly in a public park, committing a crime for a long time. Without any apparent fear of getting caught. Both of them show using a lake to dispose of the evidence. In one case getting rid of the body in a lake, in the other case apparently washing up in a lake nearby. Both of them show the ability to cleverly avoid nearby working cameras, or possibly even manipulating the cameras. Both of them show the ability to quickly and sneakily approach the victims, without the victims being able to call for help, or running. Both of them show the ability to leave the crime scene without anyone seeing them or their car. Both of them show lack of any motive or any connection. In addition, there's not too much of a physical distance between the locations. How many other cases in Georgia do we have like that?

 

[STAGNUM]

I have long suspected this crew from Central Florida. They also had connections in Texas. Look at the MO, and the timeline.

Deputies: Suspected ninja robbers arrested in Orange County

Three men, dressed like ninjas, were arrested Monday, and the arrests could give authorities a break in several similar crimes, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

www.wesh.com

Alleged 'Ninja Robber' Claims Trio Used Google Earth to Target Homes

One of the three alleged "ninja robbers" claims they used Google Earth to target homes.

abcnews.go.com

Accused Oviedo ninja robber was former minister

Three men, dressed like ninjas, were arrested Monday, and the arrests could give authorities a break in several similar crimes, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

www.wesh.com

 

[Danaya]

But how do you go from robbing people and leaving them alive, to murdering two seniors and cutting one of their heads off?

 

[STAGNUM]

But how do you go from robbing people and leaving them alive, to murdering two seniors and cutting one of their heads off?

Waving swords around in a menacing manner, like Ninja's might do. They have used guns to menace victims.

 

[acehard]

But how do you go from robbing people and leaving them alive, to murdering two seniors and cutting one of their heads off?

Home invasions happen a lot. Some where some family members are held at gun point and others are sent to get money. If it goes wrong, people die. If no one dies, you wont even see it reported in the news.
See the murder of James Rosenlieb. 80 year old man killed by a 20 year old who worked for a tree trimming service a month before. He used red tip ammunition, which was traced back to what they found at his house. He came in through an open window, hid in a closet shot 3 times and ran without taking anything. No one saw him. He was really dumb and was texting his friends so he got caught.