GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[dancinunderthemoon]

Thanks FindHG

Taken to the garage, alive, murdered methodically, house undisturbed, lamp shade off, nothing to trace them yet. Again, much less detail than you may know.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

psychopath? haha

Taken to the garage, alive, murdered methodically, house undisturbed, lamp shade off, nothing to trace them yet. Again, much less detail than you may know.



Not much, at all. Wondering about how deviance gets defined at different times in different ways.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I always thought they took him in the garage too, to kill him or lured him or maybe he was running to the car but not sure about the latter, would he leave Mrs D if she was hit, to get help? Would they both run? God what a nightmare they went thru, I can only imagine!!!

Thanks FindHG

 

[Lawdog99]

I always thought they took him in the garage too, to kill him or lured him or maybe he was running to the car but not sure about the latter, would he leave Mrs D if she was hit, to get help? Would they both run? God what a nightmare they went thru, I can only imagine!!!

And the question of the day is who is going to turn this investigation into professional capable of solving cold cases. Or just leave it on ice.....

 

[FindHG]

psychopath? haha

I just focused on the whole gun thing. I don't know any of the details about it on the thread, tend to scroll past those kinds of things on this thread, unless I have to look. The details, I don't think will change the level of professionalism shown and evil with which these two people were killed.

Could Mr. Dermond have been shot first in the garage, then defiled?

The blood polled under Mr. D, spatter on the walls, had left Foxfire with that impression. It's what reminded me of the methodical, professional, a knowing hand aspect to it, which was the impression Foxfire left me with, so this is totally unreliable information by now unless you have comments of his that may discuss such possibilities?

We never spoke of Mrs. Dermond. He knew I wouldn't be up to that face to face. To this day I don't know how she was found or where very much, or how she may have died.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

YES, hey do you think there is a REASON by the authorities NOT TO TURN IT OVER to a cold case? Nah.....SS just wants it all to himself, othewise he has been defeated in his mind?

And the question of the day is who is going to turn this investigation into professional capable of solving cold cases. Or just leave it on ice.....

 

[FindHG]

YES, hey do you think there is a REASON by the authorities NOT TO TURN IT OVER to a cold case? Nah.....SS just wants it all to himself, othewise he has been defeated in his mind?

A time may come, I think, we may know more and wish we had known more earlier?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

FindHG, I guess the details are more for a lead to something we haven't looked at or to confirm something that is suspected

Yes he could have been, I always thought he was killed in the garage

All articles say not much blood splatter.......SO, I wonder, would that occur at close range with a gun and wouldnt the bullet exit if close range? or would that little blood splatter occur from repeated blows to the head?

Knowing this, might explain why he was decapitated, and ultimately give a differnt lead than all of us guessing

+s if you will, not born so maybe, but made.

I just focused on the whole gun thing. I don't know any of the details about it on the thread, tend to scroll past those kinds of things on this thread, unless I have to look. The details, I don't think will change the level of professionalism shown and evil with which these two people were killed.

Could Mr. Dermond have been shot first in the garage, then defiled?

The blood polled under Mr. D, spatter on the walls, had left Foxfire with that impression. It's what reminded me of the methodical, professional, a knowing hand aspect to it, which was the impression Foxfire left me with, so this is totally unreliable information by now unless you have comments of his that may discuss such possibilities?

We never spoke of Mrs. Dermond. He knew I wouldn't be up to that face to face. To this day I don't know how she was found or where very much, or how she may have died.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I SO agree! Had the general public known some things early on, they could have been on the lookout for something, as it was, no one even knew the man on the lawn's race.....or about the netting Mrs D was found with....not many or any at SInclair or Oconnee use fish netting

That was FF pet peeve, LE didnt inform the public who could have helped in some way possibly....

A time may come, I think, we may know more and wish we had known more earlier?

 

[FindHG]

FindHG, I guess the details are more for a lead to something we haven't looked at or to confirm something that is suspected

Yes he could have been, I always thought he was killed in the garage

All articles say not much blood splatter.......SO, I wonder, would that occur at close range with a gun and wouldnt the bullet exit if close range? or would that little blood splatter occur from repeated blows to the head?

Knowing this, might explain why he was decapitated, and ultimately give a differnt lead than all of us guessing

Could the blood spatter also have occurred as a result of how he was disembodied, which has been described as a clean cut, IIRC.

Would a hit man have a gun and a knife?

Would a hit man know where to take Mr. D, how to muffle sound, be in a space where cleaning up or evidence collection would be easier for him?

Would a hit man know how to have the rest of the house seem untouched?

Maybe they planned to take Mr. D with them but only had time for what they did?

Everything may not have gone perfectly however well planned, once in the garage?

At the point we spoke of it, he was focused on how well timed, well prepared and well executed it seemed, and whether NC ties going back to the 80's could have been what gave the killers cover and skill.

Yes, a very pet peeve, not enough use in a timely fashion, the eyes and ears of the great American public, and their contribution and capacity to help solve crime.

And jurisdictional blindness...

 

[Lawdog99]

YES, hey do you think there is a REASON by the authorities NOT TO TURN IT OVER to a cold case? Nah.....SS just wants it all to himself, othewise he has been defeated in his mind?

I think he is still waiting on a phone call!!!!!

 

[Razz]

It seemed professionally, methodically and brutally done, is what stayed with me from what he mentioned, very. Moved to the garage n all, but I didn't ask nor did he go into much more detail.

It wasn't nearly the only thing we talked about, since I knew very little about it at the time.

Whatever Foxfire brought to WS, was what he thought. Are there deleted posts of his you might've screenshot?

I believe that some of his posts were deleted on this thread which is why the mods created the NC just for him. So I suspect anything deleted on the Dermond case was added by FF on the NC thread.

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[Razz]

My impression was that local politics wasn't heading towards hope for answers, stalled and slow rolling, until SS finds some reason to call in the GBI or the FBI.

Foxfire didn't think their families took out a hit on them, for sure.

I do not think the family (sons, daughters, in-laws) took a hit out
on their parents. However, I do believe they were indirectly involved. I believe the Dermonds murders we're meant as a message to them. JMO

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[FindHG]

I do not think the family (sons, daughters, in-laws) took a hit out
on their parents. However, I do believe they were indirectly involved. I believe the Dermonds murders we're meant as a message to them. JMO

That could make sense if they had family working in LE, the prison system, politics, finance or real estate, but who doesn't?

 

[Razz]

That could make sense if they had family working in LE, the prison system, politics, finance or real estate, but who doesn't?

Well then, it make sense.

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[FindHG]

Well then, it make sense.

So, something else to make sense of then could be what criminal outfit is known to intimidate by taking the head of the head of the family, as it were, then abducting the matriarch and making them gone, as insult?

Where else has that MO appeared?

Would anyone associated with the Dermond's family be important enough to send that message to or was it a group message.

 

[kay74]

So, something else to make sense of then could be what criminal outfit is known to intimidate by taking the head of the head of the family, as it were, then abducting the matriarch and making them gone, as insult?

Where else has that MO appeared?

Would anyone associated with the Dermond's family be important enough to send that message to or was it a group message.

But nobody seems to have gotten the message right? Their two sons in Florida got great franchises and don't hear from the daughter on this so....... I've been following this case and 4 other cold cases and nothing gets solved. I don't get it. Perfect murders?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

imperfect investigations? Ok so maybe there is no message, only staged, follow the money?

But nobody seems to have gotten the message right? Their two sons in Florida got great franchises and don't hear from the daughter on this so....... I've been following this case and 4 other cold cases and nothing gets solved. I don't get it. Perfect murders?

 

[Kittybunny]

Has anyone here been following the Honey and Barry Sherman murders in Canada? There are some interesting similarities and differences that made me think about this case. Not that I think that they are related in anyway but both are elderly wealthy couples who were murdered in their home under strange circumstances.

Main differences are that the Shermans were a lot wealthier, and as such lived a very public life, as Barry was the founder of a large generic pharmaceutical manufacturer. Also, there are no shortage of potential suspects including some very bitter cousins who were suing them and business rivals as well as them being involved in high-level politics.

Of course it’s only been a short period of time since the Canadian murders so it’s hard to say exactly who will be responsible but I suspect personal revenge and money are at the core. Is that the case here? I do not believe that this was random. The other case that this reminds me of a little bit is Bob Harrod if anyone has followed that. Suspicion remains high upon the family but it remains unsolved and likely will be unless they find a body.


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[Deleted member 162919]

I believe the female relative who SS said was not truthful during the 1st interview and broke down in the 2nd interview could very well be the daughter which would explain her silence from the beginning. Remember the old saying " often times silence speaks volumes"