GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[Deleted member 162919]

I keep hearing this is about sending a message. What message and to whom? Sending a message 10 years after their cult leader was sentenced to life in prison seems a bit out there. If this cult is still around i'm sure the feds have a mole in there by now. Here's another point. If this was a message then where is the message? Did they leave a marking ? did they drop a card? This couple had nothing to do with the cult so why use them to send a message? A cult not stealing firearms is also another reason I believe this was not a cult. SS said there were firearms in the house as Mr D had a few and nothing was stolen. Cults love firearms. I really believe there was no message sent with this murder and the murders happened because it was personal

 

[Razz]

I just have to say that most of us here don't appear to be on the same page. But maybe that's a good thing. This way all angles get explored. (Or hopefully all angles get explored).

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[southernmimi]

All we know for certain is that a person(s) murdered the Dermonds, and this killer(s) knew a lot about them and their habits. Disabled alarms and malfunctioning security cameras don't normally happen at the same moment in time. Even sadder is that I truly believe they knew who came to kill them and welcomed them into their home.

 

[Lawdog99]

I keep hearing this is about sending a message. What message and to whom? Sending a message 10 years after their cult leader was sentenced to life in prison seems a bit out there. If this cult is still around i'm sure the feds have a mole in there by now. Here's another point. If this was a message then where is the message? Did they leave a marking ? did they drop a card? This couple had nothing to do with the cult so why use them to send a message? A cult not stealing firearms is also another reason I believe this was not a cult. SS said there were firearms in the house as Mr D had a few and nothing was stolen. Cults love firearms. I really believe there was no message sent with this murder and the murders happened because it was personal

I tend to agree, but still stuck on the other upscale deaths in this area.

 

[kay74]

All we know for certain is that a person(s) murdered the Dermonds, and this killer(s) knew a lot about them and their habits. Disabled alarms and malfunctioning security cameras don't normally happen at the same moment in time. Even sadder is that I truly believe they knew who came to kill them and welcomed them into their home.

Since they found that they had eaten breakfast that day, did they also find there might have been a third person eating there? More than 2 dirty plates or coffee cups?!

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I tend to agree, but still stuck on the other upscale deaths in this area.

Lawdog99 I also would like to know more about those deaths and any possible connections to the Dermonds no matter how small of a connection. I just don't think a cult is capable of pulling this off for many reasons . This person knew the Dermonds and their house and their gated community and also the lake area. Nothing of value being stolen concerns me because it says the killers came in to accomplish one goal and stayed focused on that goal by not taking anything of value. Was this the 1st murder in the area or was it the 2nd or 3rd ? I believe ( i'm not from the area) this was the 1st in what is normally a quiet peaceful place please correct me if i'm wrong .

 

[kay74]

Do they have grandchildren from the daughter's family? Were they questioned?? Remember the daughter and family were there 2 weeks before and the security system was tampered with?

 

[Razz]

Do they have grandchildren from the daughter's family? Were they questioned?? Remember the daughter and family were there 2 weeks before and the security system was tampered with?

Hmmmm. Maybe the security system was temporarily turned off as the children may have been going in and out of the house.

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[kay74]

Hmmmm. Maybe the security system was temporarily turned off as the children may have been going in and out of the house.

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No I'm thinking one of the grandchildren is the culprit. They have to be in their 30's or 40's. Their children would have to be in their 60's, I assume. JMO

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

IF SO I HOPE THEY GOT DNA from them all!! But it has never been told kay, that I am aware of....

Since they found that they had eaten breakfast that day, did they also find there might have been a third person eating there? More than 2 dirty plates or coffee cups?!

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

cold case............sitting in a box..............waiting on a phone call!! good grief, turn it over man, to the cold case team, ANY cold case team! just let go!

I think he is still waiting on a phone call!!!!!

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

IIRC, there was gsr on RD shirt? upper, just a little....anyone??
as far as sound, there was aonce a report by the neighbors lawn guys that they heard loud voices coming from the D's, anyone remember if it was outside or inside? or speculation?
That's why I wonder, was the beheading planned or just someone getting in to their rol a little too much...I would htink someone would fight a little instead of stand and be killed....Mr D's eyes, he doesnt seem like one to be giving up too easily...
I just dont know, we need more evidence that is being withheld from LE, just cant say it's this or that, with gaps.....but I agree public should have known more early......

Could the blood spatter also have occurred as a result of how he was disembodied, which has been described as a clean cut, IIRC.

Would a hit man have a gun and a knife?

Would a hit man know where to take Mr. D, how to muffle sound, be in a space where cleaning up or evidence collection would be easier for him?

Would a hit man know how to have the rest of the house seem untouched?

Maybe they planned to take Mr. D with them but only had time for what they did?

Everything may not have gone perfectly however well planned, once in the garage?

At the point we spoke of it, he was focused on how well timed, well prepared and well executed it seemed, and whether NC ties going back to the 80's could have been what gave the killers cover and skill.

Yes, a very pet peeve, not enough use in a timely fashion, the eyes and ears of the great American public, and their contribution and capacity to help solve crime.

And jurisdictional blindness...

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I agree Hockeyguy, the D's were so elderly and had no living relatives other than their children and grands...............and we know they questioned the children pretty good....and SS did say SHE ......also

I believe the female relative who SS said was not truthful during the 1st interview and broke down in the 2nd interview could very well be the daughter which would explain her silence from the beginning. Remember the old saying " often times silence speaks volumes"

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I hope so kay.....i keep saying that, it was less than 2 weeks I think 10 days....tried to track down what day she left, easter sunday or after? kids had school the following week

I feel it's too much for kids, too clean, too focused, but who knows!

Do they have grandchildren from the daughter's family? Were they questioned?? Remember the daughter and family were there 2 weeks before and the security system was tampered with?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

that's ok, brings more to the table

I just have to say that most of us here don't appear to be on the same page. But maybe that's a good thing. This way all angles get explored. (Or hopefully all angles get explored).

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[dancinunderthemoon]

all much younger than expected kay, children and grandchildren, but not sure exact age, saw pics of some like in HS and a few in college?

No I'm thinking one of the grandchildren is the culprit. They have to be in their 30's or 40's. Their children would have to be in their 60's, I assume. JMO

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Will have to look in to those, not finding any so similar as this one and so confounding.....But this, this one....a very large shortage..of suspects, not that SS or other LE dont hae someone in mind, just nothing to tie anyone to this crime

As oceanblueeyes was saying, usually family or close friends are suspected and LE are on the trail pretty quickly, with some kind of clues...not like this one !

Has anyone here been following the Honey and Barry Sherman murders in Canada? There are some interesting similarities and differences that made me think about this case. Not that I think that they are related in anyway but both are elderly wealthy couples who were murdered in their home under strange circumstances.

Main differences are that the Shermans were a lot wealthier, and as such lived a very public life, as Barry was the founder of a large generic pharmaceutical manufacturer. Also, there are no shortage of potential suspects including some very bitter cousins who were suing them and business rivals as well as them being involved in high-level politics.

Of course it’s only been a short period of time since the Canadian murders so it’s hard to say exactly who will be responsible but I suspect personal revenge and money are at the core. Is that the case here? I do not believe that this was random. The other case that this reminds me of a little bit is Bob Harrod if anyone has followed that. Suspicion remains high upon the family but it remains unsolved and likely will be unless they find a body.


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[Deleted member 162919]

When SS said he's waiting on a call I really think and I've said it many times before that he has the DNA but since it belongs to someone who has been to the house before ( think relatives) he needs a witness or confession. 1 of the grandkids is about 25 and lives in the Atlanta area and i'm sure the daughter has kids who would be at least 15 or older. Going by the D'S age I would assume the oldest kid which I believe is Keith would be about 60 now. The others I would say late 40's to upper 50's.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

and anything not stolen was inherited....
no need to risk taking and being seen with victims items............

The thing that bothers me Hockey, is that the beheading was BOUND and HAS caused such attention in this case....would the family RISK that?

Yes, there is no suspect or even POI yet, but who can KNOW when they go into this that it'll be so easy, someone asked, would the family actually risk everything ?

The beheading, that is the confusion of course...This is something religious groups and the nC do

The way they left no trace, or none traceable yet

they did have to know the area, many people know the area

then I remember KD saying "cult" and that lien and that the duaghter was there the week before they died!

and then I remember all those other deaths in PC, ruled accidents and suicides.............all within a year or two fo the D's

I guess we can't go on just logic or how we'd FEEL about doing this, cuz we wouldn't do this

Lawdog99 I also would like to know more about those deaths and any possible connections to the Dermonds no matter how small of a connection. I just don't think a cult is capable of pulling this off for many reasons . This person knew the Dermonds and their house and their gated community and also the lake area. Nothing of value being stolen concerns me because it says the killers came in to accomplish one goal and stayed focused on that goal by not taking anything of value. Was this the 1st murder in the area or was it the 2nd or 3rd ? I believe ( i'm not from the area) this was the 1st in what is normally a quiet peaceful place please correct me if i'm wrong .

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

You have HG...either someone in the house before or someone who is not in the data base

Are we thinking, hired or family participation in some way?

seemed like KD was mid 50's cant remember but still at 60, means RD and SD were 30 or more having their first child!

Whoa, could they all be adopted???

seemed like the kids were HS and college age mostly, it was discussed before how much younger everyone was than expected to be as Dermonds children and grands

When SS said he's waiting on a call I really think and I've said it many times before that he has the DNA but since it belongs to someone who has been to the house before ( think relatives) he needs a witness or confession. 1 of the grandkids is about 25 and lives in the Atlanta area and i'm sure the daughter has kids who would be at least 15 or older. Going by the D'S age I would assume the oldest kid which I believe is Keith would be about 60 now. The others I would say late 40's to upper 50's.