GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[dancinunderthemoon]

the murderers didn't even bother to stage the house as if it was a burglary....... Figure that one out

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Being that it was such a neat cut, not precision perfect but quite neat, Maybe it was such fierce strangulation with something that dang near decapitated him so they just finished it out of entertainment and took head with them..... No matter what we think happened or why he was beheaded..... Why the hell were they there and who.... To kill them and not even bothering to stage the house to appear as something else

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hockeyguy...... They Did make it known..... They took nothing, they didn't even stage it to appear to be a burglary... Most would be there for that or try to throw off the investigators in some way.....they just slowed it down with all the confusion in how they carted her down river..... . Either the beheading was the message to make it known who was there... Nubees are Muslims, that is their method of killing..... Or.... It was to throw off the investigation.... But if the latter, why were they even there to kill them, what reason

 

[Razz]

So then who wanted them dead that didn't rob them in the process

I'm going way outside the box. Maybe he was accidently shot.....by kids in the neighborhood. By an arrow?

They realize what has happened and they go to the house to retrieve the arrow as that would surely give them away. And, there's no way to retrieve the arrow.....so. And then Mrs. D. comes outside and then......



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[dancinunderthemoon]

GOtta consider it all i suppose, watch it end up being something like that.....!

IMO...ANything with kids, IDK... I just think kids would be scared, want to get out of there, grab what they could and go......

I'm going way outside the box. Maybe he was accidently shot.....by kids in the neighborhood. By an arrow?

They realize what has happened and they go to the house to retrieve the arrow as that would surely give them away. And, there's no way to retrieve the arrow.....so. And then Mrs. D. comes outside and then......



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[Razz]

GOtta consider it all i suppose, watch it end up being something like that.....!

IMO...ANything with kids, IDK... I just think kids would be scared, want to get out of there, grab what they could and go......

The only reason I brought this up is I live in a very woodsy area and we have too many deer. A person took it upon themselves to shoot one. No one knew who it was but it hasn't happened again.

Say they were older kids who lived in the neighborhood and they accidently shoot Mr. D. They wouldn't"t take anything. That was never the intent. Neither was shooting Mr. D.

Long shot.

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[dancinunderthemoon]

Long shot...sorry, Razz lol

I personally think it was something more sinister........grrr

every time i analyze this case again, it becomes more clear, as if it wasn't already, someone came to kill them

I could be wrong but thats how I feel given the little info we have

The only reason I brought this up is I live in a very woodsy area and we have too many deer. A person took it upon themselves to shoot one. No one knew who it was but it hasn't happened again.

Say they were older kids who lived in the neighborhood and they accidently shoot Mr. D. They wouldn't"t take anything. That was never the intent. Neither was shooting Mr. D.

Long shot.

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[dancinunderthemoon]

LOL...and I immediately remembered.........Longmire

the arrow that killed the kid

The only reason I brought this up is I live in a very woodsy area and we have too many deer. A person took it upon themselves to shoot one. No one knew who it was but it hasn't happened again.

Say they were older kids who lived in the neighborhood and they accidently shoot Mr. D. They wouldn't"t take anything. That was never the intent. Neither was shooting Mr. D.

Long shot.

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[FindHG]

The only reason I brought this up is I live in a very woodsy area and we have too many deer. A person took it upon themselves to shoot one. No one knew who it was but it hasn't happened again.

Say they were older kids who lived in the neighborhood and they accidently shoot Mr. D. They wouldn't"t take anything. That was never the intent. Neither was shooting Mr. D.

Long shot.

Seems a very territorial crime, but not as result of any age innocent hunters doubling down on a mistake.

 

[Razz]

Seems a very territorial crime, but not as result of any age innocent hunters doubling down on a mistake.

I've seen about every kind of deduction on this particular case and this was one I hadn't heard of. Thought I'd throw it out there. Who knows? [emoji1]

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[dancinunderthemoon]

Thank you Razz, nothing hurts this case for sure except in the beginning when the man on the lawn details weren't released ... In hopes that someone may have noted something unusual or telling in regards to nets and anything else

 

[Deleted member 162919]

So they did this to send a message and they picked a couple who were 87 and 88 years old who lived in a gated community. Nothing in the house was disturbed, stolen and apparently no evidence was left behind. i'm not saying it's not possible but I think it's highly unlikely imo. Maybe i'm wrong but I still think this was personal and someone close to them. Lets not forget the woman who wasn't being truthful during questioning . The family staying quiet and not hiring a private investigator. Something is seriously wrong with how the family is handling this case almost as if they know who killed them

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I agree Hockeyguy....that last statement "staying quiet.....almost as if they know who killed them" was a gut punch, that's how I've been feeling all along and that just reiterated..........I too get caught up in the "surely the family wouldn't, blah blah" too but when you hire a killer, I imagine they'd want to cover their own tracks, maybe the beheading was done soley by the hired hit, just meant to confuse the case, as it has.

but what is the reason the D.A. ISN'T involved?? Do THEY know something too???

At any rate when you said this in your previous post......"My question is if they did this to make a statement they missed the part of leaving their mark.. I mean ok maybe they murdered them but where's the fear if they don't claim responsibility?"

THAT IS why I was saying, maybe they DID, maybe the beheading was their "mark"..........maybe fear wasn't the issue, maybe confusion is what was intended. IDK.

I try to see all angles in every situation...Im not convinced someone very very very close to the D's were not involved....that seems the most plausible actually, even when I have doubts because I too can't fathom people who want their parents dead, but they are out there for sure, happens all the time! sadly!

but still.....why the absence of the D.A. in this case

actually what is the D.A.'s responsibility in ANY case? Except for indictments

So they did this to send a message and they picked a couple who were 87 and 88 years old who lived in a gated community. Nothing in the house was disturbed, stolen and apparently no evidence was left behind. i'm not saying it's not possible but I think it's highly unlikely imo. Maybe i'm wrong but I still think this was personal and someone close to them. Lets not forget the woman who wasn't being truthful during questioning . The family staying quiet and not hiring a private investigator. Something is seriously wrong with how the family is handling this case almost as if they know who killed them

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hockeyguy...... They Did make it known..... They took nothing, they didn't even stage it to appear to be a burglary... Most would be there for that or try to throw off the investigators in some way.....they just slowed it down with all the confusion in how they carted her down river..... . Either the beheading was the message to make it known who was there... Nubees are Muslims, that is their method of killing..... Or.... It was to throw off the investigation.... But if the latter, why were they even there to kill them, what reason

Could the reason be why they didn't stage anything is because they knew they didn't have any familiar link to the Dermonds?

The reason I ask is the hardest cases to ever solve for LE are when the victims and the perpetrators had no linkage with each other.

I hope and pray this case will be solved one day. I never give up hope because we have seen so many cold cases solved years after they happened. Sometimes decades after.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

.I dont think even Jodi Arias staged hers to look like a burglar or anything....yet was very close to the victim..tho not kin......but later lied about a break in and being held at gun point

but what she did do was similar in this case and she was CLOSE to the victim though not family....she locked his bedroom door and his roommate thought he was out of town as was the plan, not sure if Jodi knew that or not, but like this case, Mr D was "hidden" in the garage and towels placed around him to staunch the flow of blood under the garage door...(not wanting him to be found right away) and hauled Mrs D sinking her in the lake (so not to be found right away)

SO maybe it WAS all staged, staged a beheading, staged a kidnapping but didnt stage a burglary though

I wonder how long it would have taken to settle the estate without a body ...I knew someone once who's wife was missing and they even knew what happened, long story.... and still it took a year to even get a death certificate

But I have to agree, most cases involving family are solved pretty quickly, except the Jon Benet Ramsey case....they wasted alot of time trying to pin that on family, without evidence, like this case, there is no evidence...yet, that we are aware of

but some family member lied about this case in the beginning (as Hockeyguy reiterated).....nothing ties them too it is all, yet or maybe no one ever, like Jonbenet case

Either it was the perfet crime or an imperfect investigation

I re read that article about SS again, love the way they have him solving chicken thefts and all similar in that article....i think he needs to turn this over to a cold case TEAM, a good one

Could the reason be why they didn't stage anything is because they knew they didn't have any familiar link to the Dermonds?

The reason I ask is the hardest cases to ever solve for LE are when the victims and the perpetrators had no linkage with each other.

I hope and pray this case will be solved one day. I never give up hope because we have seen so many cold cases solved years after they happened. Sometimes decades after.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

From what I remember JA did try to blame it on Travis' roommate, but because she had such a close violent history with Travis it was easy for LE and even his friends to suspect JA immediately as the cold blooded murderer.

I am from Georgia and without a body the cases can take up to seven years before the person is declared deceased. Until that time any estate of the person cant even go forward.

I haven't kept up with this case nearly like you have. You have been a very loyal poster on this case which I commend you.

Could you please tell me what lies the children of the Dermond parents lied about that would throw suspicion on them as to them having involvement in their parents' murder? Didn't they already have money on their own, and were self sustaining themselves? Why would any of them have someone murder such elderly parents when they knew they wouldn't live forever?

I know my opinion has differed than most about this case but I have never been convinced the victims even knew their perpetrators. We have seen some awful brutal overkill murder cases in recent years. Ones that have shocked most of us by the depravity done to the victims when the murderers didn't even know any of the victims. I think stranger murderers can be just as sadistic, evil, and depraved as those known to the victims. We are seeing this play out in so many cases now.

But whoever the murderer/s are I hope one day they are brought to justice. If ever found it will be a death penalty case. IMO

Thanks for replying. Have a great day.


IMO

 

[southernmimi]

My question is if they did this to make a statement they missed the part of leaving their mark.. I mean ok maybe they murdered them but where's the fear if they don't claim responsibility?

I have no idea about who murdered the Dermonds, but one opinion was cult members who would assume that Sheriff Sills got their message...loud and clear.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

All the other mysterious deaths of the elite in Putnam within a 2 year time frame was quite interesting for lack of a better term....the Real Estate agent I think weeks after the D's, drown off her own dock, fully clothed, waiting on family to pick her up by boat? IIRC..Correct me if not.....The judge who had no history of being depressed "committed suicide".....Lydia Ivanditt, former arts director and Cashmere Night Club owner...drowned in bath tub in her home...perp caught Iallegedly).........then the interesting case of TEX McIver...very close friends with SS..........had to mention as another Putnam co connection.....Were there others?

All within this time frame, is eery to me

I have no idea about who murdered the Dermonds, but one opinion was cult members who would assume that Sheriff Sills got their message...loud and clear.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I can't seem to let this case go , Ocean I assume you are talking to me LOL...thank you for your input as well.....I guess I look for logic instead of random acts, like some or yourself saying, they cannot fathom the children doing this to their parents, though it happens...but because WE wouldnt do it, doesnt mean someone else wouldnt'......but it seems to make sense in my mind that it's not random, there is a reason *(heaven forbid) but nothing in this case makes sense and nothing logic or illogical should cause death at all much less as horrific as theirs

I remember JA telling them 2 or 3 men broke in and held them at gun point.....AND, she called the police and offered herself for questioning so hung herself but she'd have been caught anyway, yes, you are correct

Remember the alarm system of the D's being brought up, tampered with, turned off, apparently it was something significant enough to be mentioned early on, it happened close to or during the duaghters visit at easter

Also,There was a female family member that lied upon initial questioning by LE or SS, SS said he went back and re questioned her after finding her story (whatever that was, we do not know) wasn't quite truthful and he was a little more forceful in his questioning the second time he claimed

She broke down and SS determined he did not believe she was connected but SS said, "I never say never"

There were no names given....The D's have a daughter....they have a daughter in law..grandaughters..and I am sure Mrs D or Mr D had no living siblings, their family circle is very small it appears and friends are more like acquaintances it seems

I found a lien in FL and shared that with HockeyGuy, on KD, it was paid off 2 years after the D's death...I went back to the link I had sent him and I no longer find that there...I need to investigate that again to make sure

They were self sustaining as we assume...I believe they were given the companies by their father....but what debt did they have? We do not have their records. Also what about criminal activiity? We dont know that either? What about Bribery or Blackmail by someone due to possible Money Laundering, we dont know that either, There is a host of things that probably aren't or can't even be investigated without probable cause...so back to square 1 in this case...it could be anyone. family included..............but WHY would a female family member even LIE about ANYTHING in this case as horrific as it is and WHY??I can't even imagine what it was about and it was not told in the news except the info I have given above

IN this case, can we assume that it would not have taken 7 years to receive teh death cert of Mrs D?? maybe 1 or 2 max, given that he was murdered so horrifically and she was missing? Even the son assumed she was dead, even hoped she was so she didn't "suffer" IIRC

I remember thinking that maybe the parents would live to be 100..maybe someone needed money fast, maybe someone sent a message to one of the kids.....but.I need funds and cant get it right now, some people have no conscience and will get it however...hard to fathom, all i know is "follow the money"...nothing was stolen, it didnt have to be...I cant seem to find anything else that makes quite as much sense but I do find other scenarios that seem work or we can make fit

Thanks for your input, its nice to keep this thread going for the D's, mulling over scenarios helps bring clarity and new thoughts ......

hoping the killers are caught, sad to be just waiting on a phone call to find out what happned, I would have said "SOLVE IT" but a phone call isn't detective work

I am hoping for more info on this case, it's still closed tho SS says he'll open it for anyone,

anyone want to go with me to see him????BUt if we aren't doing a podcast on him, I wonder if he'd let us see the file

From what I remember JA did try to blame it on Travis' roommate, but because she had such a close violent history with Travis it was easy for LE and even his friends to suspect JA immediately as the cold blooded murderer.

I am from Georgia and without a body the cases can take up to seven years before the person is declared deceased. Until that time any estate of the person cant even go forward.

I haven't kept up with this case nearly like you have. You have been a very loyal poster on this case which I commend you.

Could you please tell me what lies the children of the Dermond parents lied about that would throw suspicion on them as to them having involvement in their parents' murder? Didn't they already have money on their own, and were self sustaining themselves? Why would any of them have someone murder such elderly parents when they knew they wouldn't live forever?

I know my opinion has differed than most about this case but I have never been convinced the victims even knew their perpetrators. We have seen some awful brutal overkill murder cases in recent years. Ones that have shocked most of us by the depravity done to the victims when the murderers didn't even know any of the victims. I think stranger murderers can be just as sadistic, evil, and depraved as those known to the victims. We are seeing this play out in so many cases now.

But whoever the murderer/s are I hope one day they are brought to justice. If ever found it will be a death penalty case. IMO

Thanks for replying. Have a great day.


IMO

 

[Lawdog99]

All the other mysterious deaths of the elite in Putnam within a 2 year time frame was quite interesting for lack of a better term....the Real Estate agent I think weeks after the D's, drown off her own dock, fully clothed, waiting on family to pick her up by boat? IIRC..Correct me if not.....The judge who had no history of being depressed "committed suicide".....Lydia Ivanditt, former arts director and Cashmere Night Club owner...drowned in bath tub in her home...perp caught Iallegedly).........then the interesting case of TEX McIver...very close friends with SS..........had to mention as another Putnam co connection.....Were there others?

All within this time frame, is eery to me

It just seems too many for there not to be a connection, because all of these people were connected in one way or another to each other.