GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 2

[Bootsctr]

I want to know who did this and why (it seems) as though there was a specific effort made to keep the victims, body fluids, odors, Decomp etc... out of the home. Why would they care how they left the home after the murders? It's not like they would have to pay for Service Master to clean up a murder scene. The killer wanted the property to remain untouched.
Kids in cults and killers that send messages don't care about the mess.
Do we have an OCD killer now?

Lots of care and concern about the residence yet none what so ever for the residents.

This is gonna help them ID the killer.
IMO


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Yep thought about that too. Still going to be a hard house to sell because of the murders, but it was done on the outside. No mess inside the house. Lots to think about. Hope it helps catch the killer too.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm leaning toward crank calls - lots of people get off on that kind of sick behavior too. I hope the phone calls were traced and the person who made those calls is arrested for interfering with an investigation. It would serve them right.

This seems to happen in so many cases. The family members will receive all sorts of weird calls from people giving them their theories.....to being sure the murderer is an cult member, yada yada yada to whatever. I am sure they have even gotten calls from psychics.

People need to leave families alone in their darkest hour. Its bad enough enduring through the pain of the father being murdered and their mother missing, now found dead. There seems to be a lot of weirdos out there that think they know more than anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised that some of the nutjobs have also called them accusing them of murdering their own parents.

Why aren't these people calling LE instead. I think they have targeted this family because they know they have a lot of money.

Its despicable behavior to do something like this, imo.

IMO

 

[Bethanthony]

The Florida Everglades and most of Florida for that matter are over run with exotic and very dangerous snakes that were abandoned by "idiots". Tourists have been bringing baby alligators northward for decades. It is no surprise when they turn up in a sewer in NYC, nor should it be a surprise that they are in the middle of GA. The DNR says that GA has 200,000 alligators and that "MOST OF THEM" are below the fall line, which is only two counties south if you include Putnam.

So if 99% are where they are expected 2,000 of them are roaming the counties and waters north of the line.

To say there ARE NO ALLIGATORS in Lake Occonee is silly. How does anyone know that for sure?

So I will let the rest of you stick 8 x 10 glossy photos of suspects on your kitchen wall and wildly connect those push pins with orange and yellow yarn to print outs of arrest warrants, legal notices, tax records and deeds from AZ.

My god, this theory is so ridiculous. It would take one swab of RD's neck to confirm bacteria from gator teeth. The putrid things live in swamps and don't brush their damn teeth. Can we PLEASE move on???

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Fox News reported that the remains were found at or near the Long Shoals boat ramp, which is about 4.5 miles from the Dermond Home. The Wallace Dam is another 5 miles or so from Long Shoals. That boat ramp is in Putnam County.

Hopefully attached lake map...

Now I'm back to the timeline as in my prior post.

The question remains about the D's clothing, and the condition of the bed at the crime scene. If both corpses are dressed in sleeping clothes when discovered and the bed was found unmade, how could it be that the crime was committed during the daytime? And if the front door was open or at least unlocked while the other entries were locked, and given the son said they were very security minded, wouldn't it seem they were awakened from sleep by something and went to the front door and opened it? Who would get up in the middle of the night and go open the front door for a stranger? Any knock or noise of any strange type in the middle of the night would cause significant fear, wouldn't it?

But they might have felt safe if the visitor was known...

You would certainly think that if anyone knocked on the door late at night or early morning no one would open the door.

But as of late I have read several articles about home invasions and that is exactly what the victims did. The person came to the door pretending to need help of some kind and yes, the elderly homeowners did open the door.

We just had a home invasion case in my local area. The victim also had an alarm system but deactivated it to open the door. There was a young woman at the door and she told him her car had broken down. It was all a sham of course. She was used as 'bait' to get him to open the door. Once he did there were others waiting outside hidden and they all rushed the door. They beat the elderly gentleman in the head with an iron pipe. He survived but now has irreversible brain damage.

So while we think in this day and time no one would open their door to a stranger sadly they do time after time.

A few years back a 90 year old man was murdered here. He lived in a very upscale subdivision. He opened the door to men who said they were looking for work. Once he opened the door they pushed him back inside and murdered him right in his own home.

So it does happen. I just think elderly people are more trusting than most and the criminals are aware of that and that is why the elderly is targeted so often and also they are unable to defend themselves.

IMO

 

[1&2&3]

Just a thought regarding the comment Sills made. Perhaps it was made out of frustration because he had just been informed that Mrs. D. would be autopsied by another ME. He had kept the GBI out of the investigation, but this new development would bring the GBI in.

 

[Foxfire]

My god, this theory is so ridiculous. It would take one swab of RD's neck to confirm bacteria from gator teeth. The putrid things live in swamps and don't brush their damn teeth. Can we PLEASE move on???

I agree Bethanthony, this theory is simply a bunch of crock and is contaminating this thread to the level of a topix forum...

"Swift Justice for the Dermonds and their family"!

 

[Nuvolari]

I thought the Long Shoals boat ramp was right there at the dam about where the yellow straight line comes in from the right. Moo

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The Lawrence Shoals ramp is to the west of the dam but Long Shoals is at the end of Long Shoals Road from Highway 16. Click on the map attachment and it'll be clear. Another clue is a certain address which I'll keep quiet on, and the words used by an important person not LE.

I'm still wondering about all the secrecy practiced by LE.

 

[2Hope4]

Security concerns in RP from 2012
http://reynoldsplantationblog.com/tag/reynolds-security/

Floodlights not allowed in RP? WTH
http://reynoldsplantationblog.com/2012/12/12/safety-issues-121212-729am/

Easy Access to RP - Where's the gates? - Where is the Security? The access to RP is way too easy..
http://reynoldsplantationblog.com/2012/12/12/easy-access-121212-956am/

EEEKKKKSSS!!! No joke, my house has flood lights on each corner. One switch in my bedroom turns them all on. I hear a noise/dogs barking at night, all but the fields the livestock are in are lite up like daylight. They were already here when I bought the place, but I love the idea! Bedroom, who would have thought?? But what a logical place to put the switch! :loveyou:

Please understand that by asking this I am by no means implying Mrs did do anything. Clearly, she also was a victim. But, I came late to this case, and am wondering why, in the beginning, when she was gone and Mr. found dead, she was not thought to be possibly responsible? What about the scene made the pd immediately rule this out? Just her age? They typically allow for every possibility in the first stages of an investigation. Those of you with the case from the beginning, was she always termed a victim? I ask bc I am wondering what we are not being told about the crime scene. It may answer how the pd can say it is "most definitely a murder" when there are no signs of trauma.

Yes, typically an investigation begins with those closest to the deceased. In this case, would have been the Mrs., but she's 87 yrs old. The Mr. was beheaded, and they don't think the murder occurred where he was found in the garage. So someone had to move him there. Most likely at 87 she couldn't have moved him, much less beheaded him. Someone much younger, and much stronger, and with a motive. Someone that knew the layout of their of home, the layout of their property, the layout of the lake, and the lack of security within. Someone that either got extremely lucky in having no security cameras working, and couples home security unalarmed, OR, imo, someone who knew all the above. Someone that scope that place out well, over a period of time, perhaps even reading the blog about the lack of security, etc., or lived there, and knew about security. Did the residents KNOW the security was out? Was only the management, and grounds crew knew??? Guess time will tell!!


And ummm... :croc: we know didn't happen. For this one, the gator is innocent!

Bad boy, bad boy, whatcha gonna do? When the PO PO comes knocking at your door??? You WILL be found, and you WILL be arrested, and YOU serve time. :jail:

 

[1&2&3]

Speaking of alarm systems makes me question how updated theirs was? Did they have cameras? Years ago cameras were expensive and were not installed as routinely as they have been in the last few years.

Another point would be how computer savvy was Mr. D.? At his age many seniors do not know anything about computers. I ask this, because I was in a brand new home over the weekend with a security system and cameras. Wow, is all I can say! So elaborate. The seniors I know in his age range would be overwhelmed with such technology. Taking all this into consideration, leads me to believe their system did not have cameras.

 

[Bootsctr]

This seems to happen in so many cases. The family members will receive all sorts of weird calls from people giving them their theories.....to being sure the murderer is an cult member, yada yada yada to whatever. I am sure they have even gotten calls from psychics.

People need to leave families alone in their darkest hour. Its bad enough enduring through the pain of the father being murdered and their mother missing, now found dead. There seems to be a lot of weirdos out there that think they know more than anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised that some of the nutjobs have also called them accusing them of murdering their own parents.

Why aren't these people calling LE instead. I think they have targeted this family because they know they have a lot of money.

Its despicable behavior to do something like this, imo.

IMO

:gthanks: :goodpost: :yourock: :applause: :bowdown:

Can we please use your post to take a one-page ad out in the newspapers so that the idiots out there doing this can take a hint? It infuriates me to the point of human combustion :burn: that someone is doing this to the family. :stormingmad: :furious: :steamed: :rage: :cursing:

Weirdos who do this to families in distress ought to have to spend a little time with some :croc: :saythat: :werk:

 

[Xara]

I guess the way I see it would be asking why leave Mr. Dermond's body in the garage and decapitated and not in the lake with the Mrs?
Only thing I come up with is the murders were staged to leave a message and if the beheading wasn't clear enough there was the unknown whereabouts of the Mrs for all this time. If this is the case then the message was for someone very close to these people. Sure wonder more about the "weird phone calls" their son Keith said the family has received since they found out about Mr. Dermond's death.

Im sorry, I must have missed this.....what phone calls? Is there a link? TIA

 

[Foxfire]

Just a thought regarding the comment Sills made. Perhaps it was made out of frustration because he had just been informed that Mrs. D. would be autopsied by another ME. He had kept the GBI out of the investigation, but this new development would bring the GBI in.

1&2&3, I agree that it was partially out of frustration, but not due the the inclusion of the GBI's crime lab in Dekalb County, GA. The GBI's crime lab is very experienced at conducting thorough autopsies and forensics tests.

Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills, is taking this horrific crime very personal, and imo, feels that this crime is not only directed at the Dermond's, but an attack on the community, and at the person ultimately responsible for the county's public safety; Sheriff Sills


Quote by Roger L Depue; retired FBI BAU behavioral profiler:

My work has given me a profound respect for what humans suffer at the hands of evil, and a particular sensitivity for what its victims endure. During every investigation that I participate in, there is always an invisible observer at my shoulder, whose presence I never forget. Regardless of the circumstances of a case, I am always giving voice to its silent victim.

What must this lady's final minutes have been like?

Did her thoughts turn to her family in those final seconds, when she was overwhelmed by the deepest loneliness she had ever known? Did she experience a dissociative response, the sense of drifting upward and watching her own death as if from above?
Or did she sink mercifully into unconsciousness, and feel nothing as her life ebbed away?

http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2007/01/between-good-and-evil-by-roger-l.html

 

[tomkat]

We were posting at the same time! I didn't bother before to look at Lake Sinclair on a map. But, now I am wondering... hmmm...

She was near 441 bridge on sinclair, right? Going from memory when I looked it up in relation to me, about 10 minutes by road, can't get there by boat, the dam

 

[tomkat]

EEEKKKKSSS!!! No joke, my house has flood lights on each corner. One switch in my bedroom turns them all on. I hear a noise/dogs barking at night, all but the fields the livestock are in are lite up like daylight. They were already here when I bought the place, but I love the idea! Bedroom, who would have thought?? But what a logical place to put the switch! :loveyou:



Yes, typically an investigation begins with those closest to the deceased. In this case, would have been the Mrs., but she's 87 yrs old. The Mr. was beheaded, and they don't think the murder occurred where he was found in the garage. So someone had to move him there. Most likely at 87 she couldn't have moved him, much less beheaded him. Someone much younger, and much stronger, and with a motive. Someone that knew the layout of their of home, the layout of their property, the layout of the lake, and the lack of security within. Someone that either got extremely lucky in having no security cameras working, and couples home security unalarmed, OR, imo, someone who knew all the above. Someone that scope that place out well, over a period of time, perhaps even reading the blog about the lack of security, etc., or lived there, and knew about security. Did the residents KNOW the security was out? Was only the management, and grounds crew knew??? Guess time will tell!!


And ummm... :croc: we know didn't happen. For this one, the gator is innocent!

Bad boy, bad boy, whatcha gonna do? When the PO PO comes knocking at your door??? You WILL be found, and you WILL be arrested, and YOU serve time. :jail:

With all the confusing media reports and contradictory statements between LE /SILLS and the media

do we really really KNOW what happened at the house? As far as him being RETURNED to the home.............no one to rebut that because no fisherman was involved.............IDK why it wouldn't be told straight, just sharing my thoughts

 

[tomkat]

I agree Bethanthony, this theory is simply a bunch of crock and is contaminating this thread to the level of a topix forum...

"Swift Justice for the Dermonds and their family"!

CRIKEY ! :floorlaugh:

where is steve irwin when you need him!

 

[tomkat]

You would certainly think that if anyone knocked on the door late at night or early morning no one would open the door.

But as of late I have read several articles about home invasions and that is exactly what the victims did. The person came to the door pretending to need help of some kind and yes, the elderly homeowners did open the door.

We just had a home invasion case in my local area. The victim also had an alarm system but deactivated it to open the door. There was a young woman at the door and she told him her car had broken down. It was all a sham of course. She was used as 'bait' to get him to open the door. Once he did there were others waiting outside hidden and they all rushed the door. They beat the elderly gentleman in the head with an iron pipe. He survived but now has irreversible brain damage.

So while we think in this day and time no one would open their door to a stranger sadly they do time after time.

A few years back a 90 year old man was murdered here. He lived in a very upscale subdivision. He opened the door to men who said they were looking for work. Once he opened the door they pushed him back inside and murdered him right in his own home.

So it does happen. I just think elderly people are more trusting than most and the criminals are aware of that and that is why the elderly is targeted so often and also they are unable to defend themselves.

IMO

Yeah you are right, I personally know someone who would open the da...door at 3 am, crazy fool:scared:

 

[tomkat]

I recall in the SM case and others, statements were made by someone that seemed (to the general public) that pointed the investigation in another direction, sleuthers seemed to know better

 

[Foxfire]

With all the confusing media reports and contradictory statements between LE /SILLS and the media

do we really really KNOW what happened at the house? As far as him being RETURNED to the home.............no one to rebut that because no fisherman was involved.............IDK why it wouldn't be told straight, just sharing my thoughts

tomkat, guessing, because the only other persons that knew what happened in the house would be the CSI crew, investigators, and the perp/s... Hold back info for interrogations of suspects...leakage...

 

[tomkat]

Sorry if this has been posted, I just woke up and haven't caught up yet......I just turned on HLN and a man named Ronnie was being interviewed.....his exact words were:
" it became apparent as we pulled closer that it wasn't just something floating in the water, it was a person"

WTH?

becauase STUFF floats in the water all the time in these lakes, anywhere, but not usually bodies

 

[tomkat]

tomkat, guessing, because the only other persons that knew what happened in the house would be the CSI crew, investigators, and the perp/s... Hold back info for interrogations of suspects...leakage...

Riiiiight on, thanks FF !