GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 3

[Cbm]

:floorlaugh:

I believe it takes a "special" kind of killer to behead someone. I'm sure the FBI/GBI have done a profile...

There is a little part of me that thinks MR D was decapitated to make it seems like a cult did it.
Like maybe this randomness is a little forced.
I could be wrong.

 

[Cardinal47]

You are making me want to go out and buy one. lol

I bought it for my husband before we bought our lakehouse for fishing.

I loved that little boat. I used to get up early at our lakehouse and fix a big mug of coffee.

I had an electric motor and I would go all along the shore looking at everything and enjoying all things morning on the lake.

I think there was a very small window of opportunity to transport Mrs to those trees in the lake.

With the weekend crowd arriving and the early morning folks like me it was very small and risky.

This was either big time or very well thought out to go undetected.

 

[Foxfire]

A walk back in time to 1981 when America was abruptly and suddenly awakened to the Silent Epidemic of missing/murdered persons in the USA... There is over 100,000 missing/murdered cold cases in the US today..

'To be edited>..to show the parallels in the Adam Walsh investigation and the Dermond abduction/murder/decapitation, as well as the type of creature likely responsible for this horrific crime, imo'..


Bringing Adam Home - The Tragic Story That Changed America
http://www.cleveland.com/books/index.ssf/2011/02/bringing_adam_home_offers_stro.html


Adam Walsh Movie -
Adam (1983) Find my child. - YouTube

 

[Cardinal47]

DID YOU!? WE've rented them in FL but not very comfortable ! haha thought of investing in one though several times

Nothing like cruising "on the pOntooon,..........

but sadly for now, the lake is losing some of it's appeal

Our pontoon was big and bulky but fun for company and pulling kids on tubes and taking the lady's out early evening for 'cocktails' on the lake.

We also had several paddleboats one with pontoons and a couple flat ones. You peddle them.

All kinds of things you find on the lake.

But transporting a body..would take a large, steady boat.

Then the fear of being discovered.

Lots of movement went on during the beheading at another place then returning the body.

Then transporting SD body down river.

Somebody had no fear of discovery and was very lucky.

However with all that movement of bodies clues might have been left!

 

[Bethanthony]

Just a few points that have occurred to me in light of the new info over the pAst weekend.

Clearly, because of how Mrs. dermond was 'placed' in the lake, the killer had to have experience in and on that particular lake. He knew where the deepest area was and where the majority of underwater trees were. My guess is he is someone who fishes regularly. I agree that it will probably be revealed Mrs. dermond was tied and weighted down in that area.

Secondly, very early on there was talk about the couple selling their boat recently. Then it was changed to a few years ago. But it keeps bothering me...it is reported they paid taxes this year on that boat. That makes no sense if they no longer owned it. That leads me to believe in the sale of that boat the Dermonds:
1) met someone who probably is interested in fishing
2) came to their house to look at the boat
3) has intimate knowledge of that lake and their dock specifically
4)has the proper transportation to commit this crime

Another new piece of info released was that SD recently had knee replacement surgery. My father recently had both knees and a hip done. I can tell you this: if you are wealthy, you do not have to stay weeks in a rehab facility. You go home after two days and medical professionals, nurses, home healthcare aids, and a rehabilitation specialist will be in and out of your house for up to 8 weeks. That means fairly recently, at least three new people would have access to their house, lifestyle and routine.

One last point, maybe the surgery was the reason they sold the boat. I know after the surgeries, my father was done with golf and found it too difficult to climb in and out of his boats. He sold two of them.

 

[OLDMACONBOY]

while searching something else, this came to my attention SO some say it doesnt' exist here, welll, apparently.............a case in orlando, probably many more,



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...cover-20130217_1_cartels-los-zetas-drug-money

This is what I was trying to say last night when I got slammed and dunked.


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[oceanblueeyes]

Blunt force trauma could be someone's fists ....does have to be an inanimate obje


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Good morning OMB!

That is true it could be.

But the ME has seen her skull injuries during the autopsy and he thinks it is consistent with being struck by a crowbar. So she must have had several skull fractures. Also many times ME can see a pattern on the skin of the weapon used. The injuries have to show it was done by a long cylindrical object such as a crowbar or a long piece of pipe with the diameter of a crowbar.

That is why LE is trying to find a crowbar. This happens often in bludgeoning cases. The ME after the autopsy is done will give his opinion to the police as to what weapon he thinks was used so they can know what to search for.

IMO

IMO

 

[scubadvr99]

Most all of the large lakes in Georgia are made the same everywhere. They leave stumps and trees on the bottom of the lake bed and closer to shore in order to attract fish life. The stumps nor the trees left in the lakes are close to the surface in the large open waters. Rarely does someone hit a stump unless they are in shallow water or closer to the bank. The main channel in all of these kind of lakes have deep and wide channels through the main parts of the lake in the big open water.

We have put our boat in at Lake Blackshear many times over the years and its a 28 footer. Never had a problem with hitting stumps. I have occasionally seen a log drifting by that came up from the floor bottom because of decay.

IMO

Well, I lived at Lake Blackshear for 25 years and have been on it from the dam in Crisp County to Montezuma by boat. If you didn't stay in the channel or if you didn't know the lake, you would hit those stumps/trees. I saw someone that wasn't as fortunate as you, go outside the channel and hit one. Put a huge hole in his boat and sank it. I saw it right after it happened. So I guess you were/are very fortunate.

MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is what I was trying to say last night when I got slammed and dunked.


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I am soooooooooo sorry! That was never my intention, I promise. I just didn't want you to get into trouble because you were just saying it was street talk.

I apologize profusely.lease:

 

[OLDMACONBOY]

Well, I lived at Lake Blackshear for 25 years and have been on it from the dam in Crisp County to Montezuma by boat. If you didn't stay in the channel or if you didn't know the lake, you would hit those stumps/trees. I saw someone that wasn't as fortunate as you, go outside the channel and hit one. Put a huge hole in his boat and sank it. I saw it right after it happened. So I guess you were/are very fortunate.

MOO

Blackshear and Sinclair/oconee are very different type lakes though. One a coastal plain type and the other two piedmont. Very different. I have spent a lot of time on all three.


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[OLDMACONBOY]

I am soooooooooo sorry! That was never my intention, I promise. I just didn't want you to get into trouble because you were just saying it was street talk.



I apologize profusely.lease:

It's ok.


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[scubadvr99]

Couldn't edit my last post, but wanted to say one other thing.

My point is that they knew the lake, either by living there or fishing it on a regular basis. Otherwise, they would have ended up with a hole in the boat.

All MOO

 

[luckygirl]

Good morning OMB!

That is true it could be.

But the ME has seen her skull injuries during the autopsy and he thinks it is consistent with being struck by a crowbar. So she must have had several skull fractures. Also many times ME can see a pattern on the skin of the weapon used. The injuries have to show it was done by a long cylindrical object such as a crowbar or a long piece of pipe with the diameter of a crowbar.

That is why LE is trying to find a crowbar. This happens often in bludgeoning cases. The ME after the autopsy is done will give his opinion to the police as to what weapon he thinks was used so they can know what to search for.

IMO

IMO

golf club maybe?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, I lived at Lake Blackshear for 25 years and have been on it from the dam in Crisp County to Montezuma by boat. If you didn't stay in the channel or if you didn't know the lake, you would hit those stumps/trees. I saw someone that wasn't as fortunate as you, go outside the channel and hit one. Put a huge hole in his boat and sank it. I saw it right after it happened. So I guess you were/are very fortunate.

MOO

That is what I said scuba. The channels are deep and if you get out of the deep channel and over into shallow waters there will be stumps there.

I know people have knocked a hole in their boats and also sheered propellers too by hitting stumps. A lot of people don't slowdown though when they know they are in shallower waters either..........they still run full speed ahead.:banghead:

IMO

 

[scubadvr99]

Blackshear and Sinclair/oconee are very different type lakes though. One a coastal plain type and the other two piedmont. Very different. I have spent a lot of time on all three.


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BBM, exactly my point. Someone would have to know the lake to place her there.

All MOO

 

[Hickory Born]

I believe the killer knew the Dermond's very well. Well enough to know he could lure them out of their house. The beheading was probably part of the plan to make it look like something it wasn't. And whoever did this probably had a lot of rage toward Mr. Dermond especially. I have a feeling there will be an arrest very soon.

I agree and will go one more step. I think the killer probably worked for the Dermonds at some time.

 

[Bethanthony]

One last thought. Is it possible the beheading took place out of the killer's shame or embarrassement? Is it possible, in a fit of rage, something much beyond a whack on the head happened to Mr. Dermond? I won't go into detail, but I think we can all imagine several scenarios that would likely surpass killing someone in a fit of rage and progress into a sick scenario. Perhaps once the adrenaline wore off and the killer saw what he had done, he had a moment of contrition and shame? After all, he left Mr. Dermond to be found but he hid Mrs. Dermond. Perhaps there is a shred of...a hate to say decency, because clearly that's is totally the wrong word in this scenario...but that he was embarrassed that he killed a woman, a very nice woman. And perhaps did something that surprised even him to Mr. Dermond. And so he panicked and tried to hide that as well.

Someone mentioned early on that maybe Mr. Dermond was lucky enough to get a bite in on the killer and that's why he removed his head--because of DNA. That might be likely too. VERY likely it would seem, if the killer is so aware of procedural LE things such as jurisdictional evidence and the exact line in the lake that separates two counties. Such a thing would NEVER occur to me, and probably not to most people who weren't somehow, some way involved in government or LE. The impression I got from Sills when he said that was that he thinks the perp put the body in that area on purpose, to mess up their investigation. That smells like someone with intimate knowledge of police matters....

 

[trigger]

"A lot of fish are starting to show up on the deeper brush piles and trees. Use your Lowrance structure scan to locate the fish in the tree tops and drop a live minnow to them."

http://www.southernfishing.com/current-fishing-report/lake-oconee-fishing-report.html

So I am wondering did he place her there for the fish to eat her and hasten decomposition. Was it so a crappie fisherman/ angler would see her and she could be buried properl
Or, was was his plan to place her there we here he knew she would be deeper than the depth the crappie are at right now.
Was it also to protect her from getting run over by a boat when she resurfaced?
Could this killer have killed her yet still feel the need to protect her?
Just a thought running in my head. Moo

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Maybe it was getting light out and he had to get rid of her.

Idk.

 

[Foxfire]

Keep your eye out for suspicious cars and boats> 12/12/12

http://reynoldsplantationblog.com/2012/12/12/keep-your-eye-out-121212-131pm/

 

[Razz]

while searching something else, this came to my attention SO some say it doesnt' exist here, welll, apparently.............a case in orlando, probably many more,

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...cover-20130217_1_cartels-los-zetas-drug-money

Zow Tomcat. Great sleuthing!