GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[Linda7NJ]

OT but I just saw an update on tropical storm and saw that it is suppose to be where I live on Thursday around 8pm with 70 mph winds. Could even be the first hurricane of the season. :tantrum:

Arghhhh I hope it's not another bad hurricane season! Stay safe & dry!


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[blue22]

There's been quite a bit of discussion about how and when the odor may have arisen in the rest of the current thread.

To be really honest, I don't understand why there is a discussion. LE says it was overwhelming and the first clue he wasn't being truthful.


Why is there a debate about the smell, when we know there was one?

 

[blue22]

:modstop:


Stop with the religious/church discussion. Let it go.

Salem

Sorry. I came in late and am catching up. I didn't realize I shouldn't have replied.

 

[Karmady]

To be really honest, I don't understand why there is a discussion. LE says it was overwhelming and the first clue he wasn't being truthful.


Why is there a debate about the smell, when we know there was one?

Did you read the posts about the possible explanation for that? Look at Swampmama's and CClark's. They're totally on point.

 

[RANCH]

Did you read the posts about the possible explanation for that? Look at Swampmama's and CClark's. They're totally on point.

That's why I'm glad the discussion here isn't limited to one possible conclusion. Those post's open up other possible scenarios.

 

[blue22]

Did you read the posts about the possible explanation for that? Look at Swampmama's and CClark's. They're totally on point.

No. I have this entire thread to read through.

As far as I'm concerned, smell isn't up to question! IMO

 

[MotherOcean]

What's the motive in Munchausen by Proxy?

Motive

He doesn't want kids

Cooper is gone. That alone could have been the motive.

 

[Karmady]

Like isaid, I am simply not there in the thread, yet.

There is no easy way to convince a jury he didn't smell what they did. It might be rational here in this thread, but a jury is harder to sway.

Wait till you get there then. No one's denying the smell. They're just explaining how it's consistent with an accident.

 

[blue22]

Cooper is gone. That alone could have been the motive.

Munchausen by proxy is making a live child ill. While death can be the result of forced prolonged illness, death is not the goal. A live child garnering sympathy and attention, is the goal.

 

[blue22]

Wait till you get there then. No one's denying the smell. They're just explaining how it's consistent with an accident.

What concerns me is his wanting folks to believe he didn't notice it. I think that will be a sticking point.

 

[JLSChook]

No. I have this entire thread to read through.

As far as I'm concerned, smell isn't up to question! IMO

Agreed. Although I value the other's opinions (Swamp Mama and CClark), they weren't at the scene, LE was. The offered their opinions on what would or wouldn't smell, but have to realize this is an enclosed vehicle with a 30 lb (?) dead baby inside for probably 6 hours in 120+ degree weather.

I believe LE because they were there.

 

[Lorne Malvo]

There's been quite a bit of discussion about how and when the odor may have arisen in the rest of the current thread.

I haven't read but I can think of only one reason the smell would've been overwhelming. A 22 month child was left inside an oven for 7 hours. MOOYA.

 

[Karmady]

What concerns me is his wanting folks to believe he didn't notice it. I think that will be a sticking point.

The implication is that when he noticed it, he pulled over. Did you read the posts yet? They explain a lot about the smell.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Munchausen by proxy is making a live child ill. While death can be the result of forced prolonged illness, death is not the goal. A live child garnering sympathy and attention, is the goal.

It can also include purposefully killing your children for the outpouring of sympathy that follows. IMO

http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2013/07/marybeth-tinning-worst-munchausen.html?m=1


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[Karmady]

I haven't read but I can think of only one reason the smell would've been overwhelming. A 22 month child was left inside an oven for 7 hours. MOOYA.

Ok, read it. You'll see there's no suggestion that the smell wasn't overwhelming at the scene and an explanation of why.

 

[blue22]

The implication is that when he noticed it, he pulled over. Did you read the posts yet? They explain a lot about the smell.

No, getting there.

Since he offered up so much information, it does not seem possible to me that he would leave out pulling over due to the smell.

 

[Karmady]

No, getting there.

Since he offered up so much information, it does not seem possible to me that he would leave out pulling over due to the smell.

He didn't pull over due to the smell. He pulled over due to the noise that preceded the smell, imo. And that's what he told everyone at the scene.

 

[katydid23]

Never seen nor heard of anyone talking about the bright side of death or afterward.

When my father died at 86 we all talked about the 'bright side' of his death. It truly was a welcome release for him. He was in a lot of pain and had nothing to look forward to. He was ready to go and he welcomed it. We all did.

But I cannot imagine saying the same things about a happy, healthy 2 yr old. It is just so odd.

 

[Lorne Malvo]

They interviewed a local defense attorney on CNN about the case. He said IF they prove mom helped dad then she would be as guilty as dad for crime even though he carried out the act. Interesting. Reporter said they expect police to release more info to judge to prove enough so that bond won't be allowed for Harris.

 

[RainCheck]

Ok, read it. You'll see there's no suggestion that the smell wasn't overwhelming at the scene and an explanation of why.

I still think the smell would have been overwhelming before Cooper was moved, whether it was from decomp or not. Like I said before if my 21 month old has a bowel movement in the same room as me it stinks to high heaven! There's no way a baby could sit in an extremely hot, closed car with a diaper full of a few bowel movements and not smell really bad. Forget decomp, just the hot urine, bowel movement and sweat would stink bad enough. I also think the previous posters may not have actually experience with the body of a baby that has died in those circumstances. Heat would make a huge difference in the rate of decomp and the smell of gases being released.