GA - Winder - Apalachee High School school shooting, 4 dead, 9 injured *father and son arrested*

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vls12345 said:
Glad you pointed that out. Because I had originally read the quote like the dad was a responsible adult, meaning he would voluntarily get rid of his own guns if his son had been dumb enough or reckless enough to make threats.

I guess I was being way too optimistic and your post opened my eyes. And now the dad has been charged too.

Imo.
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Yes, thanks to Lilibet.
I had also read it your way.
Though I expect the father's defence to play it as we interpreted it .
 
IceIce9 said:
The family members who are now coming out of the woodwork to claim the shooter needed mental health help, did any of them attempt to get help for him?

Frankly the aunt’s Facebook posts that are being widely circulated by the media are so difficult to understand what she is even trying to say.

JMO
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It makes me wonder if that side of the family in general has some substance abuse problems. Not the actions of rational people.
 
Betty P said:
The biggest tragedy is that the state of Georgia prevented the FBI from removing the guns from this family and allowed them to continue purchasing more deadly weapons.

There was no other way to prevent this tragedy, JMO. Some parents are always going to be irresponsible and allow their kids to become a public threat.
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How did Georgia prevent the FBI from removing the guns from the house?

*clarification: I am not asking this to argue, I am asking this because I genuinely want to know. I have been screaming for days asking WHY DIDN'T THEY REMOVE THE GUNS?! I live in GA and I know that Georgia has some of the most lax and pro-gun laws in the nation, so I want to know specifically which law I need to be writing to my representatives about. Thank you!
 
Question for any attorneys that may be reading -

The judge said that the defendant can face up to the death penalty. In 2005 the Supreme Court ruled that the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments forbid the execution of offenders who were younger than age 18 when the crime occurred.

How can GA seek the death penalty here?
 
MassGuy said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1832036589427372040
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I liked the way the judge spoke, making it clear to a 14yo what was happening.

I know it's unreasonable to make an assessment based on looking at the side of his head in a courtroom video, but I will do it anyway. I think the kid was so troubled and unhappy and frustrated that he committed a crime to end is own pain, seeing prison as preferable to his current life. Not saying he consciously looked at it that way, but I think that is the core of the motivation.

He sees no future for himself so might as well spend his life in a structured place like prison where no success is expected.

It's like suicide, but without killing himself. He killed his potential...and took other lives in the self-destruction.

INCREDIBLY SAD AND UNFAIR that innocent lives were lost because this kid's soul and potential were killed as he grew up. It didn't have to be this way.

jmo
 
In Georgia, state law allows for people as young as 13 to get charged as adults if they commit certain crimes, such as murder.


Charging the suspected shooter as an adult, not a minor, is a legal step that will significantly shape the coming court case, changing key elements of how the proceedings will unfold and potentially leading to a much harsher sentence if he gets convicted, according to legal analysts.

….

He murdered 4 innocent people.
 

Judge says accused school shooter is not eligible for the death penalty​

From CNN's Adrienne Vogt
Judge Currie Mingledorff just called 14-year-old Apalachee High School shooting suspect Colt Gray back into the courtroom to correct on the record that the teen would not be eligible for the death penalty if he is convicted, because he is under 18 years old.
Gray could face a maximum sentence of life in prison with or without the possibility of parole, the judge said.
The judge had earlier listed death as a possible sentence for Gray’s felony murder charges. The US Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that juveniles cannot be sentenced to death for crimes that were committed before the age of 18.
Gray is still being tried as an adult under Georgia law.
Mingledorff also said the court has set December 4 at 8:30 a.m. ET for his preliminary hearing, subject to change.

Shootings suspect's dad could face up to 180 years in prison if convicted on all counts​

From CNN's Holly Yan
Colin Gray, the father of 14-year-old Georgia school shooting suspect Colt Gray, appeared in court Friday and learned he could spend the rest of his life behind bars if convicted.
Gray, 54, is charged with two counts of second-degree murder, four counts of involuntary manslaughter and eight counts of cruelty to children after Wednesday’s mass shooting, which killed two students and two teachers at Apalachee High School.
According to the father’s arrest warrant affidavit, Colin Gray allegedly gave his son a firearm “with knowledge he was a threat to himself and others.”
On Friday, Judge Currie Mingledorff told the father he faces the following maximum penalties if convicted:
  • Up to 30 years in prison for each count of second-degree felony murder
  • Up to 10 years in prison for each count of involuntary manslaughter
  • Up to 10 years in prison for each count of cruelty to children
The judge said if Colin Gray is convicted on all counts, he could face a maximum prison sentence of 180 years.

 
sds71 said:

Judge says accused school shooter is not eligible for the death penalty​

From CNN's Adrienne Vogt
Judge Currie Mingledorff just called 14-year-old Apalachee High School shooting suspect Colt Gray back into the courtroom to correct on the record that the teen would not be eligible for the death penalty if he is convicted, because he is under 18 years old.
Gray could face a maximum sentence of life in prison with or without the possibility of parole, the judge said.
The judge had earlier listed death as a possible sentence for Gray’s felony murder charges. The US Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that juveniles cannot be sentenced to death for crimes that were committed before the age of 18.
Gray is still being tried as an adult under Georgia law.
Mingledorff also said the court has set December 4 at 8:30 a.m. ET for his preliminary hearing, subject to change.

Shootings suspect's dad could face up to 180 years in prison if convicted on all counts​

From CNN's Holly Yan
Colin Gray, the father of 14-year-old Georgia school shooting suspect Colt Gray, appeared in court Friday and learned he could spend the rest of his life behind bars if convicted.
Gray, 54, is charged with two counts of second-degree murder, four counts of involuntary manslaughter and eight counts of cruelty to children after Wednesday’s mass shooting, which killed two students and two teachers at Apalachee High School.
According to the father’s arrest warrant affidavit, Colin Gray allegedly gave his son a firearm “with knowledge he was a threat to himself and others.”
On Friday, Judge Currie Mingledorff told the father he faces the following maximum penalties if convicted:
  • Up to 30 years in prison for each count of second-degree felony murder
  • Up to 10 years in prison for each count of involuntary manslaughter
  • Up to 10 years in prison for each count of cruelty to children
The judge said if Colin Gray is convicted on all counts, he could face a maximum prison sentence of 180 years.

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Thank you for the update
 
After the hearing, the teen was escorted out in shackles at the wrists and ankles in khaki pants and a green shirt. The judge then called Colt Gray back to the courtroom to correct an earlier misstatement that his crimes could be punishable by death. Because he’s a juvenile, the maximum penalty he would face is life without parole. The judge also set another hearing for Dec. 4.
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Teen charged in Georgia school shooting and his father to stay in custody after hearings

The suspect and his father will remain in detention after making court appearances Friday in Georgia.
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ChatteringBirds said:
IMO: it doesn't sit well that family members of this shooter are already going to the media to claim he was asking for mental health help (can that claim be substantiated?) or had a horrible home life (probably true but not an excuse).

Have some class and let the community begin grieving.

Also, honestly, what did these relatives do about it? How did they step in to help out the kids? Did they try to help the shooter get help? Did the media quoting these "claims" even ask?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ooter-georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high/

This article explains how the aunt who lived in Florida and her mother tried to help.

Brown, who lives in Central Florida, declined to elaborate on the teen’s mental health challenges but said she tried from afar to get him help. In text messages to a relative, she voiced concern last month that her nephew had access to a gun, according to screenshots she provided to The Post; last week, she wrote that her mother — the suspect’s grandmother — had gone to see a counselor at his school to request help, the screenshots show.
 
I saw the father at his hearing today. He had neatly trimmed hair, wonder if he recently did it. He kept rocking back and forth. It was weird.

Charging the parents of these kids is key. Keep guns away from kids. And know what your kids are doing, I still have questions about the Columbine parents...
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Teen charged in Georgia school shooting and his father to stay in custody after hearings

The suspect and his father will remain in detention after making court appearances Friday in Georgia.
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mickey2942 said:
I saw the father at his hearing today. He had neatly trimmed hair, wonder if he recently did it. He kept rocking back and forth. It was weird.

Charging the parents of these kids is key. Keep guns away from kids. And know what your kids are doing, I still have questions about the Columbine parents...
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It also sounded like he was crying. May have been like a self soothing mechanism.
 
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