General Discussion and Theories #2

[Juballee]

I agree ellie, I don't get the whole OC theory nor do I buy it. I don't see it as a "Whodunnit" movie plot, I see it as a cut and dry, true life case where at least two guys who believed they were above the law, who had carried out other criminal deeds in the past, and had not been caught prior to TB's case decided to step up the ante. For some bizarre reason, maybe boredom, drugs/alcohol, they decide it would be a great idea to steal a Dodge Ram truck by taking it for a test drive. They tried to get rid of the evidence, but before they could, they got caught. IMHO sometimes we try and spin a theory but the obvious is just too obvious and we cannot believe people can be so dumb and evil and for no rational reason (in our normal minds), do what they are accused of. It just seems so irrational for someone such as DM with his wealth(?), supposed intelligence, to do such evil things. Why? Because the guy has money? Does he? If so, that may mean nothing to a psychopathy or someone who enjoys the thrill of committing crimes.

The truth is, it happens. Why? Whether drugs/alcohol played a part in it, or for greed or for thrill. Some people are evil and do sickening things. The fact that DM and MS are still in prison (regardless of their right to remaining silent), speaks volumes to me. Yes many people have been wrongly convicted also but IMO there is too much circumstantial evidence pointing a finger at these two. A huge red flag for me is the guy who took DM and MS on a test drive the day before and SB being witnesses.That is enough for me to believe DM and MS are exactly where they belong. I am not trying to convince anyone their theory is wrong, I just see it as it appears to me and this is just MOO. The good, old cliche; "it is what it is".

I know wealth is relative, so perhaps you are also a CEO of a multi million dollar corporation and own several expensive properties and a collection of vehicles, and can't understand why anyone might want to take that away from you. But to me it seems reasonable to assume that there were at least some people that might hate him for having so much at such a young age and could want to hurt him in some way.

I also don't think it's hard to imagine OC wanting their fingers in an large airport hanger. How many places do you think that there might be to hide drugs, cash, weapons, or humans on an airplane that has no passengers, minimal staff and no luggage? What if you could land that plane and taxi it right to a private hanger staffed with people of your choosing where there are no prying eyes to watch it get worked on? What if you could do that for planes of all sizes from all over the world, everyday? How much money do you think could be made from that smuggling business? Enough to put a little forethought and planning into taking it over for your crime syndicate?

You say that you think that they tried to get rid of the evidence but couldn't, but why not? They had at least 4 days. How far could you drive a truck in 4 days? How many parts could you strip a truck down to in 4 days? How many days would it have taken to burn the body to ashes that could have been dumped anywhere but on your own property? To me it is ridiculous to say someone who had the resources to do better, didn't have time in 4 days to hide a truck and a body. How long do most trucks sit in a chop shop before they are sold? If he did indeed have a chop shop there, surely he had connections to move hot property quickly. And if he had bought the incinerator to dispose of other bodies as many have proposed, wouldn't he have known how to use it properly, and how long it would take? It just doesn't make sense that he couldn't or wouldn't try to do better than that to get rid of evidence that could send him to jail for life.

I like things that make sense, and when someone can make it make sense for it to be DM and MS, I will listen with an open mind. But for now, this angle is the only one that matches all the known facts without leaving any gapping holes like motive, timing, location of evidence, descriptions and everything else that has been debated here, in my opinion.

Your huge red flag, that they took another test drive before and that SB witnessed them as well could have been just two people going about their normal routine. If someone meant to get a strangle hold on your life and multi million dollar company and wanted to frame you for killing someone, would they care who it was that they killed? Couldn't they follow you on your normal rounds and kill some random person who was seen by a reliable witness to be last seen with you as soon as they could get that someone alone?

If you read the definitions of both a psychopath and a sociopath, you may see that in reality, there has been no aditional proof brought forward to suggest that he is one or the other, and the evidence actually seems to rule out him being either one, as one is highly organized and would never be so sloppy to leave all that evidence laying around, and the other is too impulsive and careless to have half hid the evidence that way, from what I understand.

 

[swedie]

I am not surprised about the asset forfeiture aspect.... it is common knowledge IMO that courts like to get their hands on as much money and assets as they can...its part of their 'business' IMO and I believe IMO this is their style when it comes to assets/money even with people with a lot less than DM..... Of course my opinion is based on my belief that the current 'justice' system is a business. JMO

So the reason I see for pursuing this is not in my opinion to effect justice...simply more coffers for the system. JMO

I also think that the cellphone is an interesting piece of evidence. For example IMO I think it's highly possible that whoever bought the phone could have either called people and gave DM's name as the interested party or set the whole thing up to point to anyone other than the one actually buying the phone. I suspect there were probably one or two people who used DM's name to buy supplies and also used his name for email purposes JMO of course. Then there could have been someone using one of DM's facilities/properties as an office, which IMO would furnish them with ample opportunity to pretend to be him or have authority to speak for him.

Without hearing the phone conversations its difficult to say who made the calls... but if someone was determined to put the screws to DM's throat it would have been easy enough to do IMO.

JMO MOO

Good opinion BQ. If you want MOO, I would say DM purchased the burner phone to use while doing shady deals/business. He didn't figure it could be traced back to him because he believed he was never going to get caught or if he did get caught, he figured he could say he was set up. That's MOO.

I will once again refer to the Victoria S. case and how a few people following the case on WS believe MR was set up/not guilty. I for one always believed he was very guilty and the master mind of the whole case. Through the trial we found out a lot of troubling information about MR and how deeply disturbed he was. A sexual deviant, user/possible seller of drugs, user of women for sex and money, who planned, carried out and murdered a precious little eight year old girl. Need I say a few sleuthers seemed shocked when they found out the truth. MOO.

Evil comes in many forms and has many disguises. Just because someone is wealthy, good looking, intelligent, poor, happy, whatever the situation, does not mean they are incapable of committing the most heinous crimes. Money does not buy mental health kwim. JMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

... But to me it seems reasonable to assume that there were at least some people that might hate him for having so much at such a young age and could want to hurt him in some way.

I also don't think it's hard to imagine OC wanting their fingers in an large airport hanger ...

<rsbm>

So who are these people who hate him and want to hurt him, and how would OC go about acquiring ownership to what he rightfully owns, including the assets he has transferred to his mother?

 

[Blomquist]

Good opinion BQ. If you want MOO, I would say DM purchased the burner phone to use while doing shady deals/business. He didn't figure it could be traced back to him because he believed he was never going to get caught or if he did get caught, he figured he could say he was set up. That's MOO.

I will once again refer to the Victoria S. case and how a few people following the case on WS believe MR was set up/not guilty. I for one always believed he was very guilty and the master mind of the whole case. Through the trial we found out a lot of troubling information about MR and how deeply disturbed he was. A sexual deviant, user/possible seller of drugs, user of women for sex and money, who planned, carried out and murdered a precious little eight year old girl. Need I say a few sleuthers seemed shocked when they found out the truth. MOO.

Evil comes in many forms and has many disguises. Just because someone is wealthy, good looking, intelligent, poor, happy, whatever the situation, does not mean they are incapable of committing the most heinous crimes. Money does not buy mental health kwim. JMO.

I agree that evil is not restricted to the poor.... You only have to look at the actions of so called Royalty back in the day and understand how they came by their position and wealth. IMO .... This case has too many possible scenarios to be as straightforward as is believed by some...IMO and JMO

Many forms and many disguises is right...and in this case I will go with the disguises.... someone or more than one has disguised this case to point to one person IMO

 

[Blomquist]

<rsbm>

So who are these people who hate him and want to hurt him, and how would OC go about acquiring ownership to what he rightfully owns, including the assets he has transferred to his mother?

The same way OC goes about every other way they acquire things. Threats, blackmail, force, you name it they are up for it IMO. Any where money is concerned they have no reservations...JMO OC is rampant in the area of Brantford/Hamilton/Ancaster and other close places... This is not a new phenomenon for the area. JMO

 

[skatergirl]

The same way OC goes about every other way they acquire things. Threats, blackmail, force, you name it they are up for it IMO. Any where money is concerned they have no reservations...JMO OC is rampant in the area of Brantford/Hamilton/Ancaster and other close places... This is not a new phenomenon for the area. JMO

I'm going to go back to my post now about access to the trailer, I would think it very difficult for whatever OC this is to just take his keys to the trailer, take the trailer without DM noticing I might add, and manage to pretend to be DM, plan 2, attempt to plan 3, test drives, in order to steal a truck and frame DM for the whole ordeal. In response to my post about access to trailer however, you made reference to it being friends of DM's who did this, so are we now to assume that DM's friends are working with OC to orchestrate this plan :banghead:

Here is the post about the trailer, for reference
Originally Posted by skatergirl View Post

Regarding the trailer-
I have looked at 2 photos of the trailer taken by the neighbour in one of them you can see a lock on the door, and in the 2nd one, to me it looks like a lock cutter on the driveway.

So this would mean the trailer was not accessible to someone who did not have keys. I know someone who has a similar trailer, and on the back door there is what I believe is called a cam lock. This is much like a car door lock, and requires a key as well. I personally have not seen a photo of the back door of the truck to be able to tell if this is the type of lock it has, but IMO it would have a lock of one kind or another to keep it's contents safeguarded. What I am getting at here is that whoever loaded the truck into the trailer must have had whatever keys were required to open the trailer, and if it were not DM as so many are suggesting, how did these mysterious people get his keys??? And how did he not notice his missing keys???

And another point, where did DM keep his trailer, and if it were suddenly missing, would he not notice, certainly more noticeable than missing keys?

https://twitter.com/mcianf/status/33...951744/photo/1

https://twitter.com/mcianf/status/33...591936/photo/1

Do we know that its his trailer?

If it is his trailer

I would guess that he kept it either at the airport or at a location provided by a friend

Maybe a friend had been using the trailer..(possibly in Brantford JMO ).. DM is apparently quite generous and how often would one use a trailer that size ??JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

The same way OC goes about every other way they acquire things. Threats, blackmail, force, you name it they are up for it IMO. Any where money is concerned they have no reservations...JMO OC is rampant in the area of Brantford/Hamilton/Ancaster and other close places... This is not a new phenomenon for the area. JMO

I'm more interested in specifics as to how OC would go about acquiring DM's assets now that he is in jail for a murder supposedly masterminded by OC. If OC just wanted to resort to their usual threats, blackmail, etc .. it would have been much easier to effect such intimidation while he was on the street, without "collateral damage" of an innocent man being murdered and DM being a patsy. I see zero benefit to OC in any scenario I can imagine, and am interested in details of how you or other posters propose such acquisition could be accomplished.

 

[lanman]

I know wealth is relative, so perhaps you are also a CEO of a multi million dollar corporation and own several expensive properties and a collection of vehicles, and can't understand why anyone might want to take that away from you. But to me it seems reasonable to assume that there were at least some people that might hate him for having so much at such a young age and could want to hurt him in some way.

I also don't think it's hard to imagine OC wanting their fingers in an large airport hanger. How many places do you think that there might be to hide drugs, cash, weapons, or humans on an airplane that has no passengers, minimal staff and no luggage? What if you could land that plane and taxi it right to a private hanger staffed with people of your choosing where there are no prying eyes to watch it get worked on? What if you could do that for planes of all sizes from all over the world, everyday? How much money do you think could be made from that smuggling business? Enough to put a little forethought and planning into taking it over for your crime syndicate?

You say that you think that they tried to get rid of the evidence but couldn't, but why not? They had at least 4 days. How far could you drive a truck in 4 days? How many parts could you strip a truck down to in 4 days? How many days would it have taken to burn the body to ashes that could have been dumped anywhere but on your own property? To me it is ridiculous to say someone who had the resources to do better, didn't have time in 4 days to hide a truck and a body. How long do most trucks sit in a chop shop before they are sold? If he did indeed have a chop shop there, surely he had connections to move hot property quickly. And if he had bought the incinerator to dispose of other bodies as many have proposed, wouldn't he have known how to use it properly, and how long it would take? It just doesn't make sense that he couldn't or wouldn't try to do better than that to get rid of evidence that could send him to jail for life.

I like things that make sense, and when someone can make it make sense for it to be DM and MS, I will listen with an open mind. But for now, this angle is the only one that matches all the known facts without leaving any gapping holes like motive, timing, location of evidence, descriptions and everything else that has been debated here, in my opinion.

Your huge red flag, that they took another test drive before and that SB witnessed them as well could have been just two people going about their normal routine. If someone meant to get a strangle hold on your life and multi million dollar company and wanted to frame you for killing someone, would they care who it was that they killed? Couldn't they follow you on your normal rounds and kill some random person who was seen by a reliable witness to be last seen with you as soon as they could get that someone alone?

If you read the definitions of both a psychopath and a sociopath, you may see that in reality, there has been no aditional proof brought forward to suggest that he is one or the other, and the evidence actually seems to rule out him being either one, as one is highly organized and would never be so sloppy to leave all that evidence laying around, and the other is too impulsive and careless to have half hid the evidence that way, from what I understand.

In regards to what I bolded:

Just because a hanger is privately owned doesnt mean international flights and come and go as they please without going through the Canada Border Services Agency.

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/listing/offices/office1131-e.html

"Pilots that arrive in Canada by private, company owned or charter aircraft carrying 15 people or less, as well as travellers on recreational boats carrying 29 people or less, have to call a Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) Telephone Reporting Centre (TRC) to obtain authorization to enter Canada."

blah blah blah...

"The pilot is the person in charge of the aircraft and must follow these steps:"

"arrive during regular CBSA office hours at a designated airport of entry (AOE)."


Waterloo Airport is a designated AOE. I can't imagine any planes going in or out of there without being inspected just because they are heading over to (or came from) the Millard hanger and not the airport terminal.

 

[swedie]

I know wealth is relative, so perhaps you are also a CEO of a multi million dollar corporation and own several expensive properties and a collection of vehicles, and can't understand why anyone might want to take that away from you. But to me it seems reasonable to assume that there were at least some people that might hate him for having so much at such a young age and could want to hurt him in some way.

I also don't think it's hard to imagine OC wanting their fingers in an large airport hanger. How many places do you think that there might be to hide drugs, cash, weapons, or humans on an airplane that has no passengers, minimal staff and no luggage? What if you could land that plane and taxi it right to a private hanger staffed with people of your choosing where there are no prying eyes to watch it get worked on? What if you could do that for planes of all sizes from all over the world, everyday? How much money do you think could be made from that smuggling business? Enough to put a little forethought and planning into taking it over for your crime syndicate?

You say that you think that they tried to get rid of the evidence but couldn't, but why not? They had at least 4 days. How far could you drive a truck in 4 days? How many parts could you strip a truck down to in 4 days? How many days would it have taken to burn the body to ashes that could have been dumped anywhere but on your own property? To me it is ridiculous to say someone who had the resources to do better, didn't have time in 4 days to hide a truck and a body. How long do most trucks sit in a chop shop before they are sold? If he did indeed have a chop shop there, surely he had connections to move hot property quickly. And if he had bought the incinerator to dispose of other bodies as many have proposed, wouldn't he have known how to use it properly, and how long it would take? It just doesn't make sense that he couldn't or wouldn't try to do better than that to get rid of evidence that could send him to jail for life.

I like things that make sense, and when someone can make it make sense for it to be DM and MS, I will listen with an open mind. But for now, this angle is the only one that matches all the known facts without leaving any gapping holes like motive, timing, location of evidence, descriptions and everything else that has been debated here, in my opinion.

Your huge red flag, that they took another test drive before and that SB witnessed them as well could have been just two people going about their normal routine. If someone meant to get a strangle hold on your life and multi million dollar company and wanted to frame you for killing someone, would they care who it was that they killed? Couldn't they follow you on your normal rounds and kill some random person who was seen by a reliable witness to be last seen with you as soon as they could get that someone alone?

If you read the definitions of both a psychopath and a sociopath, you may see that in reality, there has been no aditional proof brought forward to suggest that he is one or the other, and the evidence actually seems to rule out him being either one, as one is highly organized and would never be so sloppy to leave all that evidence laying around, and the other is too impulsive and careless to have half hid the evidence that way, from what I understand.

BBM -Where is the proof DM owned a multi million dollar company? The company may belong to the bank. The property he purchased with cash could be cash which was made from illegal/criminal dealings. DM could have gone to the bank and borrow money against his company asking for cash instead of writing a cheque for the properties "just to impress". There is NOTHING to prove DM was wealthy, it's pure speculation at this time. A lot of people have huge businesses, mansions, drive expensive vehicles ect. ect. ect. This does not mean they are wealthy. Example, Michael Jackson.

ULBM -Many criminals are psychopaths and this is what allows them to do crimes/murders with no conscience. I provided you with links on the traits of a psychopathy and sociapath for better understanding. HTH.

http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

My logic and common sense tells me this in not OC. IF this was OC, DM would have been singing like a bird, anyone who he loves and cares about would have been placed in protective custody, secreted away and we would have learnt by now there is more to the story and LE would have arrested some of those involved in this theorized OC.

The perps didn't get rid of the evidence such as TB's remains because they may not have hung around the scene that night to make sure he was gone and although the perps had four days, they probably felt they were being watched. Especially when SB was able to give a description of the two. Then the news of the BO (business owner test drive). SB's description was a good enough description LE were ready to have a composite sketch done to assist the public in finding TB. I see the transporting of TB's truck to his mother's house was because DM didn't think LE would connect the dots as quick as they did, TB's truck IMO was originally in the hangar, but because DM feared LE might come calling at the hangar, he would hide the truck at his mother's until the heat was off. IMO taking the trailer to his mom's was a last minute decision because he was paranoid/scared. I don't think his mother would have questioned him further if she was home if he told her something like, I'm selling or loaning the trailer to a guy north or west of your place, helping the guy out so he doesn't have to drive so far and he's coming here to pick it up on such and such a day.

Hamilton police said Thursday they now have several leads that might help them find Bosma, according to Staff Sergeant Matt Kavanagh.

On Wednesday, police released descriptions of the two men that were last seen with Bosma.

"We have quite a lot of feedback from the public and from other police departments after putting that information out to the media," Kavanagh said.

Police did not provide sketches of the men along with the physical descriptions released Wednesday, but Kavanagh said they may do so if the current leads don't pan out.

"Once we've exhausted those, we might do a sketch, but there's some pretty good leads coming through."

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/07/hamilton-missing-man.html

 

[swedie]

I was referring to the video of LE press release. Do you think there is a video of the whole situation ? I was of the opinion that only a video of a following vehicle had been found, and that was of very bad quality apparently. JMO

But you never know, maybe one of the people in TB's truck, or in the following SUV or in the vehicle that dropped them off switched on a recording device on a 'burner' phone that managed to capture the whole event. That would be quite illuminating IMO....

Those who followed the Victoria S. case knew NOTHING about the video evidence LE found during their investigation until it came out during trial. HTH. To many of us following that case, it was very illuminating seeing this direct evidence

 

[Blomquist]

BBM -Where is the proof DM owned a multi million dollar company? The company may belong to the bank. The property he purchased with cash could be cash which was made from illegal/criminal dealings. DM could have gone to the bank and borrow money against his company asking for cash instead of writing a cheque for the properties "just to impress". There is NOTHING to prove DM was wealthy, it's pure speculation at this time. A lot of people have huge businesses, mansions, drive expensive vehicles ect. ect. ect. This does not mean they are wealthy. Example, Michael Jackson.

ULBM -Many criminals are psychopaths and this is what allows them to do crimes/murders with no conscience. I provided you with links on the traits of a psychopathy and sociapath for better understanding. HTH.

http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

My logic and common sense tells me this in not OC. IF this was OC, DM would have been singing like a bird, anyone who he loves and cares about would have been placed in protective custody, secreted away and we would have learnt by now there is more to the story and LE would have arrested some of those involved in this theorized OC.

The perps didn't get rid of the evidence such as TB's remains because they may not have hung around the scene that night to make sure he was gone and although the perps had four days, they probably felt they were being watched. Especially when SB was able to give a description of the two. Then the news of the BO (business owner test drive). SB's description was a good enough description LE were ready to have a composite sketch done to assist the public in finding TB. I see the transporting of TB's truck to his mother's house was because DM didn't think LE would connect the dots as quick as they did, TB's truck IMO was originally in the hangar, but because DM feared LE might come calling at the hangar, he would hide the truck at his mother's until the heat was off. IMO taking the trailer to his mom's was a last minute decision because he was paranoid/scared. I don't think his mother would have questioned him further if she was home if he told her something like, I'm selling or loaning the trailer to a guy north or west of your place, helping the guy out so he doesn't have to drive so far and he's coming here to pick it up on such and such a day.

Hamilton police said Thursday they now have several leads that might help them find Bosma, according to Staff Sergeant Matt Kavanagh.

On Wednesday, police released descriptions of the two men that were last seen with Bosma.

"We have quite a lot of feedback from the public and from other police departments after putting that information out to the media," Kavanagh said.

Police did not provide sketches of the men along with the physical descriptions released Wednesday, but Kavanagh said they may do so if the current leads don't pan out.

"Once we've exhausted those, we might do a sketch, but there's some pretty good leads coming through."

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/07/hamilton-missing-man.html

I think its safe to say that due the fact that Millard Holdings has been a business for decades it is an established business. Also the fact that DM was apparently winding things down and buying property would indicate that he was trying to safeguard his assets and his inheritance. JMO

Anyway regardless of whether Millard Holdings is a multi million dollar company or not it had facilities that were or could be extremely advantageous to OC IMO.

We have no idea how in depth any OC has become if thats whats happening. On the surface it will appear that a legitimate business is being ran from the airport/hangar. But is it legitimate. OC may already have an in to the place and maybe currently running a cover business right now as we speak...waiting for the dust to settle and for DM to be incarcerated for a long time. Who has keys to the hangar ?? who is having supplies delivered ??? Who runs the email dell.millard@hotmail.com ??? who has an office at the hangar or at another of DM's properties ?? There are answers to these questions..... IMO

Anyone who understands the current justice system would know that it would be very unwise to 'sing like a bird' ..... IMO

And we know DM's mom is not at her home...so she obviously feels the need to stay away .... fear??

With respect I think your opinion is far fetched also.... but thats fine its your opinion.... But I do think people should also respect other peoples opinions regardless how 'out there' they think it may be. JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Those who followed the Victoria S. case knew NOTHING about the video evidence LE found during their investigation until it came out during trial. HTH. To many of us following that case, it was very illuminating seeing this direct evidence

Yes but this is a different case !!!!!! and the evidence will be different too.... all cases differ... IMO

 

[swedie]

I would find it odd if a murderer went through the trouble of removing the seats from a vehicle where a murder took place, but could not be bothered to wipe off his fingerprints from the most obvious of places. That would seem to me to be another case of only doing half the job of covering your tracks, (and in this case, the far more difficult half) which would make me question whose tracks are really being covered and why everything not covered seems to point another person with no motive who will say nothing except that he is innocent.

Misdirection would be very useful to additionally cover your tracks should you violently murder someone. If you are worried that when you commit a crime that the police might eventually be lead to you through some clue you missed, wouldn't it be useful to leave misleading evidence pointing directly at someone else. Then, even if you ever were suspected and went to trial, you would have a built in defence, the misleading evidence would be there to automatically create doubt.

Some criminals are sloppy. Seats were removed possibly because of smell/decomposition/bodily fluids of the victim, not removed because of hiding evidence. JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

A lot of people have huge businesses, mansions, drive expensive vehicles ect. ect. ect. This does not mean they are wealthy. Example, Michael Jackson.

<rsbm>

Michael Jackson may have died in debt, but his estate has made $600 million in the 4 years since his death. While still stuck in probate to pay off his $100 million debt, his children are left with an allowance of $70,000 a month to live off of. I wouldn't exactly call that not wealthy. The definition of wealthy isn't just money in the bank, if you have the assets to cover it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197610/Paris-Prince-Blanket-BROKE-amid-legal-wrangles-Michael-Jacksons-money.html

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I'm more interested in specifics as to how OC would go about acquiring DM's assets now that he is in jail for a murder supposedly masterminded by OC. If OC just wanted to resort to their usual threats, blackmail, etc .. it would have been much easier to effect such intimidation while he was on the street, without "collateral damage" of an innocent man being murdered and DM being a patsy. I see zero benefit to OC in any scenario I can imagine, and am interested in details of how you or other posters propose such acquisition could be accomplished.

I'm probably not the right person to respond to this, but...

OC wouldn't have to acquire his assets. They would only have to acquire "control" of what certain of his assets were. There was obviously someone who thought that business could continue as usual once he was in jail.

There was no further contact between the company and Millard Air until last week, when the employee the company always dealt with showed up and said it would be business as usual beginning this week.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

JMO

 

[lanman]

Those who followed the Victoria S. case knew NOTHING about the video evidence LE found during their investigation until it came out during trial. HTH. To many of us following that case, it was very illuminating seeing this direct evidence

I'm interested to know how much they have as well. This is the one that I find most intreaging:

Bosma&#8217;s cellphone was found three days later in an industrial area of the nearby city of Brantford. However, &#8220;no other vehicle&#8221; can be seen on surveillance video in that area, Kavanagh said.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242980-bosma-found-dead-in-region/

Which leads me to the conclusion that they have video of TB's truck in the industrial area where the phone was located. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they have a full video of the phone dumping event.

 

[swedie]

Many clients are innocent...but believe me that doesn't stop the 'system' from keeping them chained to it. There is nothing a lawyer can do except wait for the cues from the court. They are 'officers of the court' they will be reminded of 'their duty to the court' .... Lawyers are bound by the rules of the game...so to suggest that the lawyer is somewhat incompetent would be inaccurate IMO. They do the job they are supposed to do... but many times even the best lawyer will be at the mercy of the 'system' and the 'rules of the game' IMO

There is a lot a lawyer can do to prove his client's innocence. Starting with getting an alibi from DM and following up. If DM and MS are innocent it should not be hard to prove it. I would say easier to prove their innocence then what some claim the lack of evidence against DM and MS. MOO

 

[Blomquist]

There is a lot a lawyer can do to prove his client's innocence. Starting with getting an alibi from DM and following up. If DM and MS are innocent it should not be hard to prove it. I would say easier to prove their innocence then what some claim the lack of evidence against DM and MS. MOO

Taking extracts from my posts does not deter from my opinion. I didnt say a lawyer cannot do anything in the long haul.....my post was referring to at this stage of the game. Without all the cards on the table I fail to see how anyone can say how easy or difficult it would be to prove innocence. What if people dont have alibis? What if DM went to look at a truck and took it to be looked over by some person (s) else? There are many possibilities IMO.... I am here giving my opinion and viewing other opinions...but to me it seems that its only those who presume innocence that get propositioned the most JMO but thats how I feel. MOO

 

[Snoofo]

I'm more interested in specifics as to how OC would go about acquiring DM's assets now that he is in jail for a murder supposedly masterminded by OC. If OC just wanted to resort to their usual threats, blackmail, etc .. it would have been much easier to effect such intimidation while he was on the street, without "collateral damage" of an innocent man being murdered and DM being a patsy. I see zero benefit to OC in any scenario I can imagine, and am interested in details of how you or other posters propose such acquisition could be accomplished.

Ok,

The first OC theory I contemplated actually had nothing to do with usefulness of DM behind bars (I hadn't gotten creative enough yet but other sleuthers helped out with that!), rather it was that the lifetime confinement of DM was his punishment for something, instead of the usual penalty of death like his father may have faced. Killing someone who has nothing but wealth to lose is not such a satisfying punishment as the idea of causing this young, free, adventurous, wealthy, good looking only child who was raised in the skies to rot in jail for the rest of his life. And perhaps OC had invested their time in the hangar use theory contemplated by Juballee or a somewhat legit business dealing as suggested by Blomquist, what have you, and WM and DM went along for awhile but backed out, especially with the final straw being cancellation of MRO certificate by DM after WM's death. Could've left some people fuming.:stormingmad: That's one way of looking at it.

Here's a scenario that is totally a guess and its simple, deranged but possible, IMO. What if DM arrived home from Euro travels in August, finds out WM had borrowed money from private lender(s) to continue to pay rent, staff the hangar, purchase supplies and equipment etc., keep the charade and dream alive. This is a short-term and unsecured loan as bank loan likely wont allow for subsequent financing to be registered, but no fear because AS and veteran experts running the place are sure contracts and work is imminent. Without income there's no way to repay this loan but the heat is on september, october and by November the wolf is at the door. DM gets nervous and starts questioning AS as to timing; too late, WM is either murdered by hit (lender hires OC or lender is OC, whatever makes better sense but all the same for now) or kills himself from the suffocating pressure by month's end. DM works on cancelling certification,
renting out hangar and liquidating assets to pay the loan. Lenders know they will never see their money, want him dead but that won't give them the satisfaction they seek however putting rich kid behind bars sounds like sweet retribution to the crooked lender. What is not sweet is the sacrifice of TB, but this is OC, they arent nice and it works with their plan. DM didn't have a loving wife and child to live for, but TB did so they ended up taking the angst and evil out on poor TB and to allow for DM's life sentence. This to me is plausible if he really pissed somebody off, they'd have to hate him enough to realize life imprisonment would be worse than death to guys like DM. It's also plausible if DM has no way of proving who it was, basically making it impossible to blow the whistle on anyone to help him out of this.

This would have been carefully planned out for someone to know of locations and MB's schedule/house. There would have to have been an inside source. MOO.

The cancellation of the certificate draws me more toward Juballee's theory than my own but ,JMO, perhaps the truth is comprised of a combination of a few going theories from our clever sleuths. :thewave:

We who explore them know we might be wrong about any "alternative" theories. We know the mainstream theory that the majority here have chosen to accept could be the one that's wrong. We should agree, however, that the victim is owed justice and truth so every path to justice should be explored. Swedie, when you talk about the post-verdict surprise of those WS posters who believed MR was innocent, I can only speak for myself but I think keeping an open mind regarding the TB story also means I have kept an open mind about being wrong and him being a terribly unsuccessful criminal. He may be Everything he has been accused of and worse. I won't be shocked by guilt since the evidence points to him, yes maybe he is the worst criminal ever. In that case I will be shocked if the guilt is as cut and dry as illustrated and there is not more to the story, knots to unravel, etc.

:bedtime:

 

[Alethea Dice]

I'm interested to know how much they have as well. This is the one that I find most intreaging:

Bosma’s cellphone was found three days later in an industrial area of the nearby city of Brantford. However, “no other vehicle” can be seen on surveillance video in that area, Kavanagh said.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242980-bosma-found-dead-in-region/

Which leads me to the conclusion that they have video of TB's truck in the industrial area where the phone was located. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they have a full video of the phone dumping event.

I think this was just poor and misleading paragraph structure on the part of the author. If you listen to the actual news conference, the question asked by the reporter was if the second vehicle was seen in the surveillance video of the industrial area in Etobicoke where the first test drive was. That is the area Kavanaugh is referring to when he said "no other vehicle was seen at that location". Here is the video again. The question is asked at about 12:12 on the video.

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LE had only just asked for businesses to check their surveillance video in the Brantford area on May 10th. The news conference was on May 14th.

On Friday, police announced they had found Bosma’s phone in an industrial area in west Brantford, the night before.

They also reported that Bosma’s vehicle had been spotted in downtown Brantford on Monday night. They asked that any surveillance video from businesses in the area be turned in to help locate the truck. Bosma’s missing pickup is described as a 2007 black Dodge Ram 3500.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-man-arrested-in-timothy-bosma-case-1.1277200

JMO