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OSCAR PUSHING FOR CIVIL SUIT OUT-OF-COURT SETTLEMENT WITH REEVA'S PARENTS 20 August, 2013

The Times can reveal that lawyers for Barry and June Steenkamp have been approached by the Pistorius camp over their impending multimillion-rand civil claim for loss of income and emotional distress. Pistorius's lawyers want to settle the lawsuit before the outcome of the criminal trial, in an attempt to reduce a possible payout. Pistorius's lawyer, Kenny Oldwage, confirmed the discussions with Steenkamp's family. "You will understand this is a very sensitive situation," he said.

The Steenkamps' lawyers did, however, confirm that "intense" discussions were under way. Advocate Petrus ''Dup" de Bruyn, representing the Steenkamps, declined to elaborate on the discussions. "Nothing has been decided on yet," he said.

Steenkamp and her half-brother, Adam, had helped their pensioner parents financially, including with the rent on their home in Port Elizabeth. It is believed the Steenkamps are seeking an estimated R3-million in damages, though lawyers for both sides declined to comment on the amount being negotiated. A Steenkamp family friend said the civil suit, though not entirely dependent on the criminal trial, would be strengthened if Pistorius was found to have killed Reeva deliberately. "He never denied he killed Reeva. If the prosecution team proves he deliberately killed her it will strengthen the civil case.

Steenkamp's mother, June, declined to comment on the civil suit: "This is just too much . we are grieving . missing our baby . our beautiful, beautiful daughter who should have been celebrating her birthday today. "None of this should have happened. We want justice. We want the person who did this to pay," she said.

'FAMILY CAN WIN'

CRIMINAL attorney Llewellyn Curlewis believes Reeva Steenkamp's family stands a good chance of successfully suing Oscar Pistorius for compensation. "The balance of probabilities is much easier in a civil case," he said.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/08/20/oscar-pushing-for-civil-suit-settlement
 
The DT doesn't have to produce the phone until the PT demands it with appropriate legal warrants behind them. Why should OP provide the phone if the police don't order him to?

The ineptness of Botha and the police was put to good use at the bail hearing by Roux; he made them look foolish for not demanding the handing over of any and all communication devices. Canny move by the attorney I think.

As for the phone calls from OP to Stander and Netcare, is there any question that they took place? There are records at the cell phone companies!

IMO it was in his best interest to hand it over as it was the phone on which he knew he had called the medics. Without that there was no record he had even called for help.

Unless he was concerned about what would be found on the phone why on earth would he defer for some months giving them the phone PIN - just to be bloody minded? Not a good idea, I would have thought. It would immediately create suspicion.

P. eventually told the police the pin number and, yes, once the police were aware of the existence of the phone calls they could check the call numbers but not the Whatsapp messages. The police are saying there is evidence that messages were sent after the event, hence their interest. I think it highly unlikely he cannot remember his Whatsapp password but thinks by deferring handing over the phone the Whatsapp messages will have been auto-deleted (which is what happens). How long is it before Whatsapp messages are deleted? That would be very interesting to know.

I don't see any electronic telephony experts called as witnesses.

Do you not think it a little odd he had so many phones? It has been suggested that he may have been conducting different relationships via different phones. If true, what does this infer? However, that would not be illegal, only immoral.
 
OPINION: WILL REEVA EVER GET JUSTICE? - QUESTIONS

1. Did witnesses overhear shouting and screaming between 2:00am to 3:00am that night?

The houses according to the plan submitted to the court are separated by 550 yards. That is the houses not the witness. Assuming the properties have equal property spacing that would make the witness' property line 275 yards from the Pistorius' house. The houses are 550 yards apart not the witness who walked to the end of his property line to investigate the shouting and screaming. We know most people who are not hearing impaired can hear at that distance. False information has been posted that the houses are separated by a mile, the court records show 550 yards separation between houses. There is some confusion in the units of measurement between BSU ie. yards versus meters depending on which country the news reporter is from.

2. Were the shots fired into the door at a height of 1.5 meters?

Does that mean he was wearing his artificial legs? Is he lying about the circumstances of the killing?

3. Did he immediately call police? Or did a security guard call him?

Pistorius told the guard he was alright then cried into the cell phone.


4. Did "Supporters of Pistorius" arrive to contaminate the crime scene and remove evidence?

5. Does Pistorius really already have a Criminal Record?

[*]He shot someone in a restaurant and claimed it was accidental, after asking someone else to take the blame for the crime.

[*]He shot through the sunroof of a car while Samantha Taylor was driving

[*]He also has threatened at least two people according to his rap sheet.

6. Does the court seem to be stacked in favor of Pistorius being found not guilty?

7. Do you think money will to talk and he will be given a suspended sentence?

8. Will his deceased girlfriend's parents ever receive adequate compensation? and when?
 
OPINION: WILL REEVA EVER GET JUSTICE? - QUESTIONS

1. Did witnesses overhear shouting and screaming between 2:00am to 3:00am that night?

The houses according to the plan submitted to the court are separated by 550 yards. That is the houses not the witness. Assuming the properties have equal property spacing that would make the witness' property line 275 yards from the Pistorius' house. The houses are 550 yards apart not the witness who walked to the end of his property line to investigate the shouting and screaming. We know most people who are not hearing impaired can hear at that distance. False information has been posted that the houses are separated by a mile, the court records show 550 yards separation between houses. There is some confusion in the units of measurement between BSU ie. yards versus meters depending on which country the news reporter is from.

2. Were the shots fired into the door at a height of 1.5 meters?

Does that mean he was wearing his artificial legs? Is he lying about the circumstances of the killing?

3. Did he immediately call police? Or did a security guard call him?

Pistorius told the guard he was alright then cried into the cell phone.


4. Did "Supporters of Pistorius" arrive to contaminate the crime scene and remove evidence?

5. Does Pistorius really already have a Criminal Record?

[*]He shot someone in a restaurant and claimed it was accidental, after asking someone else to take the blame for the crime.

[*]He shot through the sunroof of a car while Samantha Taylor was driving

[*]He also has threatened at least two people according to his rap sheet.

6. Does the court seem to be stacked in favor of Pistorius being found not guilty?

7. Do you think money will to talk and he will be given a suspended sentence?

8. Will his deceased girlfriend's parents ever receive adequate compensation? and when?


Didn't read all.

But, he didn't shoot (hit) someone in a restaurant.
 
What was the sequence, I have been reading:

WOMAN SCREAMS........SHOTS........WOMAN SCREAMS

Before we were told:

SHOT.......17 MINUTES SILENCE......MORE SHOTS

Which one is correct?


Strange that the woman's screams in the witness account now appear to coincide with OPs supposed scream to Reeva before he shot her and his supposed scream from the balcony after he shot her. Obviously the DT will claim it was not a woman it was him screaming.
 
Strange that the woman's screams in the witness account now appear to coincide with OPs supposed scream to Reeva before he shot her and his supposed scream from the balcony after he shot her. Obviously the DT will claim it was not a woman it was him screaming.

And all that might be mere coincidence... Or it might be due to the most dastardly of events regarding exactly who and when he first called after the initial shot.
 
COPS PROBE PISTORIUS FINANCES

August 20 2013

As Oscar Pistorius prepares for his murder trial in six months’ time, The Star has learnt that the Paralympian’s finances are now being scrutinised.

According to a confidential source with knowledge of the police inquiry, police found certain information pertaining to his finances suspicious and were now looking into this.

“Police suspect that he might not have declared all his other income, but whatever is gathered will be handed over to the South African Revenue Service,” the source said.

In his bail application in February, Pistorius indicated that he had accounts and property only in South Africa.

However, in opposing bail, investigator Warrant Officer Hilton Botha - who has since been taken off the case - had testified that the athlete had offshore accounts.

Botha also said Pistorius’s brother and lawyer had arrived at the scene of the crime and brought a locksmith to unlock a safe at the the house as they were looking for a document with an offshore account number on it, as well as a specific memory stick.

http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/cops-...dium=facebook&utm_source=dlvr.it#.UhM_bdIweaU
 
Didn't read all.

But, he didn't shoot (hit) someone in a restaurant.

OP shot Kevin Lerena's toe at Tasha's and got a friend to take the wrap!

Earlier reports used to say "just missed him" but that is wrong.
 
Oscar Pistorius trial: Reeva Steenkamp shows natural beauty at 15 in local newspaper modelling contest

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-trial-reeva-steenkamp-2190556#ixzz2cVO0dMS3

Reeva beat 300 other entrants to reach the top 12 of the 'Faces of the Future' contest, run by the now-closed Evening Post.

The new collection of photographs, including snaps from a wedding fair, were taken by photographer Mark West, now 43, who described her as a 'diamond'.

He said: "When I met her to take those photographs, I'm talking the very first time, she had quite a strong look.

"My style of photography was a little more relational and technical so I just fooled around a bit and joked around a bit and got her to smile. Here you can see the strong look and then the smiley look.

"She is very difficult to describe in many ways but I would she she is a lot like a multi-faceted diamond. There was a lot there and every time you looked there was something else.

"When I met her I was a little disappointed because she was quite short. For the proper modelling thing you need to be 5ft 7 something - you need to be quite tall.

"It is a pity, because she definitely had the personality and the X-factor to make it in the industry - just not in the height."

He said: "She was pretty much the same person as she was back when I knew her. She had a strong character and was a very strong person but incredibly generous, friendly and outgoing.

"She was also a private person. Sometimes you think of a private person as being closed but she was private and still very open."

He added: "She is quite frankly the last person I would have thought something like this would happen to."
 
BBM: Link for that.
Thanks.

Pistorius shot me by mistake a month ago
Pal was hit in toe at diner

EXCLUSIVE From NICK PARKER and ANTHONY FRANCE in South Africa Published: 19th February 2013

A PAL of Oscar Pistorius told The Sun last night the Blade Runner shot HIM by accident last month.

The Paralympic idol — accused of the gun murder of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp — blasted boxer Kevin Lerena ’

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-shot-me-by-mistake-a-month-ago-says-pal.html
 
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the staging

oscar pistorius' tears,
the tissue and
carl pistorius' tweet with him & reeva steenkamp
all seemed so pr-inspired!
 
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