General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[1Chump]

I never bought the story of Haleigh riding in his lap. Ron would've been too impatient for that. But, why did he lie? You brought up a very good point about Haleigh's hair, etc...that would explain why he changed the story of who picked her up.

I always felt the picking up Haleigh and Haleigh on his lap was to explain witnesses seeing him drive by the bus stop.

IMO, TN did call Misty....called Misty to pick up Haleigh from the bus stop. When Ron found out that TN asked Misty to p/u Haleigh, he was furious. I think he went to p/u Haleigh but Misty got there first. I think he chased after Misty. I think Haleigh was trying to protect Misty when she got hurt.

One of the reasons I think Ron was chasing Misty in the car was the way he explained Haleigh's driving in the Cobra tape. He explains it as someone seeing a car turning, not as someone sitting in his lap driving. He says something like "she turned on the right blinker, then the left blinker." If it was Haleigh on his lap, IMO, he would say the way she turned, not the blinkers she used.

Ron could not take Haleigh to the hospital because her injuries could not be explained as an accident. Ron either did not realize how serious Haleigh was injured or did realize but did not want to go to prison. Ron then called TN who took over while Ron went to work for his alibi. Wherever TN took Haleigh was not GGma Sykes. Maybe some place where LE would NEVER consider.

["He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday.]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095

Two commas changes the meaning of what she is saying. "I go there, 10 minutes after, we noticed she was gone."

IMO, GGma Sykes said it....10 minutes after she arrived, we noticed Haleigh was gone. Gone is used when you cannot say dead. GGma Sykes did not say 10 minutes after we noticed she was missing but gone.

We know from the police report that GGma Sykes did not show up at the MH 10 minutes AFTER Haleigh was discovered missing or even 10 minutes AFTER the 911 call. GGma Sykes is NEVER mentioned in the police report. Therefore her gone has to be dead, not missing, and before police were notified.

This is just my opinion and only my opinion.

 

[1Chump]

We do not know what Misty and/or Tommy have told LE. However, both Misty and Tommy could have told LE the truth, the entire truth and LE still could not make a case.

Because Misty and Tommy are involved in the crime, they are presumed to have a reason to lie to protect themselves. Therefore, LE has to find cooberating evidence, ie independent evidence, to verify anything Misty and/or Tommy tells them. Then and only then can they use Misty and Tommy's testimony.

IMO, the reason they have publically stated that Misty is the key and have NEVER mentioned Ron was to pressure Misty. The reason to pressure Misty and not pressure Ron is Misty was talking to them even after she had an attorney. LE could not get Ron to talk to them period.

Finally, LE had the media's cooperation in applying pressure to Misty. They had the media applying pressure for them. But many in the media refused to consider Ron as anything other than a grieving Father. Ron, TN and GGma Sykes worked the media to the point that while Ron was seen as the poor, sympathetic grieving Father, Crystal was NEVER seen as the grieving Mother. IMO, LE would NEVER have been able to apply pressure through the media on Ron.

Even with the drug busts, Ron was turned into the victim once again by some of the most vocal in the media. IMO, that played a huge part in LE quietly trying to gather information/evidence on Ron but not going public. Even Misty and/or Tommy stating that LE was not interested in anything about Ron. IMO, that was a ploy. As long as people believed that Ron was getting away with it, they were more apt to talk about Misty to protect Ron. But if they suspect LE was going after Ron, they would not talk about Misty and risk saying something about Ron.

IMO, I think LE does know what happened, they just cannot prove it. They cannot find Haleigh and they need her body to cooberate Misty and/or Tommy's statements.

 

[SoSueMe]

Well, LE did tell the media that RC stopped cooperating with them at some point (was it in August 2009?). They also said they would like to ask him more questions, but that's the only instance I know of that LE said anything negative about RC to the public.

 

[Whisperer]

Our beloved GER traveled RCs route from PDM to 202 Green, and stopped at the same Kangaroo as he did that evening. Per Ger,

"I started at 3:01 Am at the PDM on Comfort road. Stopping at the convenience store. Following posted speed limits. 16.6 miles later, at 3:30 AM I arrived at 202 Green Lane"

Why then did LE ask rc, "What took you so long?"

....He had to have left work earlier than 3:00am if rc was relating anything truthful to Cobra.

 

[Whisperer]

Well, LE did tell the media that RC stopped cooperating with them at some point (was it in August 2009?). They also said they would like to ask him more questions, but that's the only instance I know of that LE said anything negative about RC to the public.

Ron cut off all communication with LE after the wedding. When all the pressure was being applied to the Cummings clan to get misty in to talk, they never budged...not once.

Haleigh came to surface again when rc got in trouble and was arrested. She came to surface to take the spotlight off of ron and that is the only reason. The media wanted to talk about his arrest and he switched it up to his daughter. TN hired MN to get the focus off of ron and back to Haleigh. What a shame she didn't do that in Feb 09 but waited till ron got in trouble!

For six months ron, misty, tn and gma did nothing to get misty to talk. rc outright refused and LE said neither of them were cooperating.

Why does an iinnocent grieving father need a criminal defense attorney? I have been asking this since May 09.

 

[Whisperer]

At the very beginning of this case, didn't one of the neighbors say they heard the sound of a very old vehicle at the MH that night?

 

[mysticrose]

Hi Whisperer :wave:

 

[mysticrose]

At the very beginning of this case, didn't one of the neighbors say they heard the sound of a very old vehicle at the MH that night?

I dont know if they said old but I do remember them saying it was loud ...

 

[Whisperer]

Hi Mystic.. :dance:

So we can assume that a loud (old, maybe) vehicle was at the MH that night. I wish we knew the time.

 

[Whisperer]

That vehicle may have been dropping off misty or picking her up, depending on the time. Somebody on the rumor thread said there was a loud vehicle in the area around 2:30am. IIRC, one of our posters heard a loud vehicle around 2:30am. The neighbor heard a vehicle that seemed to be old = no time given.

ya know, it seems like alot of action was going on around 2:30am.

 

[kant]

I never bought the story of Haleigh riding in his lap. Ron would've been too impatient for that. But, why did he lie? You brought up a very good point about Haleigh's hair, etc...that would explain why he changed the story of who picked her up.

Plus imo it seems that someone who has had contact with child services and parenting issues/instruction would not likely be very eager to advertise that a small child is behind the wheel on his lap... unless it served his purpose in some signifcant way - or he thought it would. (By parenting instruction i am referring to his past statement to the effect that he knows how hard and in what manner he can legally hit his child. yikes.)

moo
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[lonetraveler]

At the very beginning of this case, didn't one of the neighbors say they heard the sound of a very old vehicle at the MH that night?

I thought the neighbors said "loud" vehicle :waitasec:

 

[kant]

I thought the neighbors said "loud" vehicle :waitasec:

Hi LT.

And IIRC one neighbor claimed to hear what was described as a female scream at 2:30.

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[lonetraveler]

Great post lil momma and one I agree with. We've been hearing a story since day one. One of the most important pieces of information when a child is missing is what was that child last seen wearing. NO one in this case can tell us. You're right, Misty didn't know, which to me makes it obvious she was not the last one to see her before she went missing.

However, my thoughts differ from yours when it comes to TN and GGMA trying to hide what happened from Ron. I'm in the group that believes Ron knows exactly what happened to his daughter the night she went missing. The how, the why and the where. My reason is that he has not offered one bit of information that could help find her. Only his response "I was a work."
jmo

BBM: Bolded above. This comment jarred my memory a bit. Have we ever heard a description of the "special" outfit that Haleigh insisted on wearing and prompted the rushed, morning trip to GGMS' house to fetch? I'm just wondering if this "special" outfit was ever found by LE. This story has always made me think that part of the story was true and that maybe this outfit was really brought over by GGMS and that Haleigh was buried in it. I do believe that there are parts and pieces of the stories that are true; the timeline and situation told may not be true but little tid bits are true. You just have to pick it out with the tweezers sometimes. For instance, Tommy was suppose to have failed the LDT but LE is out searching with divers and boats at that boat ramp immediately after the LDT. Obviously LE believed at least one of the answers that Tommy gave them. That search cost quite a bit to conduct, same as draining the pond.

 

[lonetraveler]

Hi LT.

And IIRC one neighbor claimed to hear what was described as a female scream at 2:30.

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Hi yourself, long time no see. Great to see you post on here. Yep, the neighbors heard a female scream too. Also reported was a neighbor seeing Misty crying and talking on a cell phone outside at about the same time.......hummmmmmmmmmm.

 

[lonetraveler]

Naw, he also said, "I don't do drugs."

My opinion only

Don't forget, he has never, ever hit his kids and he also has never hit a woman.

 

[kant]

Originally Posted by Trident
Naw, he also said, "I don't do drugs."

My opinion only

Don't forget, he has never, ever hit his kids and he also has never hit a woman.

Indeed.

Or was it, "Im not on drugs" ? (as in... this minute... as we speak.) -- sort of like what the definition of "is" is.

moo

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[lonetraveler]

I never bought the story of Haleigh riding in his lap. Ron would've been too impatient for that. But, why did he lie? You brought up a very good point about Haleigh's hair, etc...that would explain why he changed the story of who picked her up.

As awful as this may sound, maybe it isn't hair on Ron's work clothes that Ron was making up the story for, could it have been Haleigh's urine? It's the "sitting in his lap" bit that bothers me. Could he have just been pointing out that Haleigh "sat" in his lap just in case urine was found on his clothes. It is very possible that Haleigh had urine on her clothes if she was dead.

 

[Kimster]

Please remember not to bash the players in this case. Thanks!

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

As awful as this may sound, maybe it isn't hair on Ron's work clothes that Ron was making up the story for, could it have been Haleigh's urine? It's the "sitting in his lap" bit that bothers me. Could he have just been pointing out that Haleigh "sat" in his lap just in case urine was found on his clothes. It is very possible that Haleigh had urine on her clothes if she was dead.

I'm curious to know if Ron dressed for work in his jumpsuit prior to going to work, I know some guys who work in warehouses/plants etc that walk in in their street clothes, use a locker and then change. Wish someone with knowledge about PDM's policy on this was around to answer. JMO