General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Eileen730]

That link is blocked on this site.



I wish Misty would tell the truth - but she failed her poly plus the test that TES set up (miserably - as far as we know). She kept changing her story and couldn't even say why! Do they believe the story about her hiding under the sheet while HaLeigh was assaulted and killed (possibly with the players she named, possibly with someone(s) else? Do they believe she woke up and found HaLeigh gone? Or do they believe Ron came home and woke her up?

the link thats blocked is blogger news.net

I think misty knows exactly what happend...

I read somewhere today that there was a 911 call at 2 15 am which cant be true cause the police would have been there already wouldnt they?

I dont think they believe anything she sAYS!

 

[LCoastMom]

the link thats blocked is blogger news.net

I think misty knows exactly what happend...

I read somewhere today that there was a 911 call at 2 15 am which cant be true cause the police would have been there already wouldnt they?

I dont think they believe anything she sAYS!

Thanks - re BBM - Me too.

There was rumor very early on that there was an earlier call from RC's address, IDK if it was a hang up, an oops misdialed, a dropped call or what it was, but Whisp has now verified that LE stated there was a call at 2:15...

 

[Emeralgem]

the link thats blocked is blogger news.net

I think misty knows exactly what happend...

I read somewhere today that there was a 911 call at 2 15 am which cant be true cause the police would have been there already wouldnt they?

I dont think they believe anything she sAYS!

Seven months in to the investigation Lt. Greenwood, now (Captian Greenwood) stated in an interview the call came in about 2:13 am so we don't know what call he is speaking of considering we all know the call to 911 was placed at 3:27 am on the morning of the 10th. JMHO

 

[Whisperer]

From what i have seen LE has turned a blind eye on everything.
ron could have and should have been arrested for statury rape for one.
They cant prove neglect because no one in their circle ever complained and the others im sure were afraid of Ronald Cummings.

Hank and Lisa would have to bring charges on ron. They gave ron permission to marry her. I highly suspect this was one reason ron married misty. He didn't want to take any chances that she would flip.

There is already one guy doing nine years in prison for sex with and misty and he was only sixteen. Ron would have recevied 20 years if misty and parents wanted to charge him.

Ron got off easy getting 15 yrs...anyway you look at it.

 

[Whisperer]

Seven months in to the investigation Lt. Greenwood, now (Captian Greenwood) stated in an interview the call came in about 2:13 am so we don't know what call he is speaking of considering we all know the call to 911 was placed at 3:27 am on the morning of the 10th. JMHO

Didn't Greenwood say the first call came in at 2:13AM? iI'm not sure..going from memory. If he did say "first' that would indicate that either misty or another called in "something" to LE about this case.

 

[dodie20]

Seven months in to the investigation Lt. Greenwood, now (Captian Greenwood) stated in an interview the call came in about 2:13 am so we don't know what call he is speaking of considering we all know the call to 911 was placed at 3:27 am on the morning of the 10th. JMHO

That phone call, if it exists, should answer a lot of questions...and because of Greenwood's statement, I think it does exist. LE knows who made it, where it was made from, and what it was about. It seems that it wasn't directly related to Haleigh because they didn't look for her until after the 3:27 call, but something made LE later connect it to Halegh. I wondered then if by publicly connecting the 2:13 call to Haleigh, Greenwood was sending out a 'we're on to you' warning to the perp. In other words, it seemed like a deliberate action to get a response. IDK, but that early call has had me stumped. MOO.

 

[Emeralgem]

Didn't Greenwood say the first call came in at 2:13AM? iI'm not sure..going from memory. If he did say "first' that would indicate that either misty or another called in "something" to LE about this case.

I don't think he said the word "first" in that interview. He just said the call came in at 2:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJzzICI328A

 

[Whisperer]

Who was watching Crystal Cummings' children when she was in Satsuma w/tn? Were her children left in Lady Lake w/jeff? Did she drive w/TN to Satsuma?

ron was having problems w/misty and her refusal to babysit while he was on nightshift (MO). By monday, the 9th, ron must have been on his last nerve w/misty's behavior. MO..

When did he first call TN? I remember tn saying she sent her mother over to check on the kids. Not one person has ever questioned tn as to her reasoning for the kids requiring a check, and no one has asked her why she didn't go herself.

 

[memeanabby]

I suspect you may be right, but I am hoping you are wrong.
Someone somewhere has to find thier conscience.. We are talking about the demise of a precious child and a mother who has been lied to for over two years now..Living in HELL here on earth
Someone has to end this madness, even IF it implicates them...JMHO..

Well said!:goodpost!

 

[Whisperer]

What I have observed is that once a POI hires an attorney that is the end of the case, they walk. unless a body is recovered. We could all make a long list of recent cases where we are pretty darn sure who the perp is..yet nothing.

Thanks to Defense Attorneys, Haleigh's case is in limbo....along w/ many many others. Who had the Defense Attorneys? ron, misty, tommy, jo. All four of these likely know exactly what happened.

How can the fact be that a guilty person can hire a Defense Attorney, and if the body isn't recovered, they walk? :banghead:

I am grateful that ron, misty and tommy are behind bars for drugs and for a long time. LE had to make sure they would be put there because this case was going nowhere. We have to look at it on some term that it is justice for this precious child.

 

[Whisperer]

D#$#%$m Defense Attorneys..lock em all up :behindbar:

 

[Whisperer]

:fence: I'm on the fence w/Greenwood. On one hand, I would like to think he is being clever; but my gut is telling me he is just uniformed.

He recently has been promoted to Captain, so somebody must think he is very smart, it just doesn't happen to be me.

 

[Emeralgem]

:fence: I'm on the fence w/Greenwood. On one hand, I would like to think he is being clever; but my gut is telling me he is just uniformed.

He recently has been promoted to Captain, so somebody must think he is very smart, it just doesn't happen to be me.

And I'm sitting there with you... He says he believes the paternal grandmother was there at 7:00. Then he says "Yes" when the reporter asked him if the grandmother was Teresa Neves..
GGMS is the ONLY person who ever said she was there at 7:00 however she has changed the time of her visit at least three or four times... First it was around 7:00, then it was 7:30, then it was closer to 8:00. Last time I heard she is now claiming the time was 7:30..JMHO..

 

[Concerned Papa]

And I'm sitting there with you... He says he believes the paternal grandmother was there at 7:00. Then he says "Yes" when the reporter asked him if the grandmother was Teresa Neves..
GGMS is the ONLY person who ever said she was there at 7:00 however she has changed the time of her visit at least three or four times... First it was around 7:00, then it was 7:30, then it was closer to 8:00. Last time I heard she is now claiming the time was 7:30..JMHO..

IDK for sure what Greenwood meant, but he's had a world of time and opportunity to change it if not accurate.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Florida's Glorious "sunshine law" truly has spoiled me with regards to the Casey Anthony case and the overwhelming doc dumps that we see frequently with that case..Florida definitely is much more lenient with its Sunshine Law than any other state I have personally seen thus far..

But Em you certainly do bring up an excellent point that I'd hairbrainedly not even thought of..the question about does there in fact have to already be charges in place on "someone" in order for the information to even be available to be sought thru the "Sunshine Law"...and now upon thinking on it that would add up with what we know about the Haleigh case as well..

Meaning it is the "drug sting" cases that we were able to obtain thru the "Sunshine Law" all those hundreds of hours of jailhouse phone calls as well as jail house visits and video visitation amongst the Croslin Clan{the now notorious video of Misty peering up into the camera as she is with 100% A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E rolling that head around as her and mama Lisa discuss how the world can just kiss her AZZ and how they ought to issue her a nationwide public apology according to Mama Lisa when Misty was to be released in those upcoming weeks and deemed 100% innocent of any involvement in Haleigh's disappearance}..well we all see how that panned out for Misty..sadly no release even in the near future as in years..and certainly nothing even remotely pointing to her innocence in Haleigh's disappearance...

But back to us having access to all those very many hours of audio/video..now upon looking back it was not released to us thru the Haleigh investigation but rather we had access to it because they had all been charged in the "drug sting" thus it made all of their jailhouse communications available to the public through the proper means of requesting that it be released..I know that LE quite frequently denies alot..usually IMO the majority of important details regarding an ongoing investigation due to the release of such info would be detrimental to an ongoing investigation/successful prosecution/conviction[which IMO naturally should be denied access if it being know by the public could in any way whatsoever cause a hindrance in seeking and providing justice for a victim of a case]..


And then there is the FOIA which is a national act and the rights of any citizen to request any and all court docs{which I was wrong in my assumption that all states were as forthcoming with releasing info as Florida..proven wrong first in Oregon[with Kyron Horman's case]and now again wrong in my assumption in Texas[with Hailey Dunn's case]..With regards to the FOIA they do not have to necessarily have "someone"/anyone charged with a crime in order to request these docs and info... An example of this is what we have had thus far released and allowed access to in the Hailey Dunn Case in Colorado City Texas{tho as most know unfortunately there is NO ONE yet charged in her case..and also eerily similar to Haleigh's case they have yet to even find her body}.. It is thru the FOIA that this request has been made more than once thus far in Hailey's investigation and from that request we had the big bomb in January in which the affidavits that were filed requesting the search warrants concerning all things Hailey's mom and live-in boyfriend..along with the actual search warrants as well released for us to view and have knowledge of..This is what brought down the hammer when speaking of Hailey's mom and Boyfriend's possible involvement in Hailey's "disappearance"{especially as far as public opinion goes}...And then more recently it is the affidavits that were filed requesting further search warrants on Shawn Adkins and all electronic/digital devices that could be found to be connected to him.. And as most know by now this is how we had our suspicions confirmed that there is indeed Child *advertiser censored* tied to live-in boyfriend and quite possibly her mom as well{sad.. sad situation}..truly I never thought I'd see a case top that of Haleigh Cummings with regards to the child not having a chance in he!! considering the adults and environment in which she lived and was raised..but sadly I must say the Child *advertiser censored* turn of events in the Hailey Dunn case sent it right over the top IMO as far as scum this precious child was living with that was brought into the child's life by her very own parent..the parent whose responsibility it was to care..nurture..protect..love..and raise IN BOTH CASES is the very person that directly led to both of these children no longer being here..AS I said an equally as sad and tragic case as that of our little Haleigh Cummings..

Here is an informative link to alot of info Re:FOIA(Freedom Of Information Act)most importantly it details the list of reasons that an agency can deny access to any/all docs/records/info that's requested by an individual..As I said it is informative and anyone interested in how the releasing of info process works this link has a wealth of info about every detail about the FOIA...
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/fed_prog/foia/foia.htm

 

[lonetraveler]

I suspect you may be right, but I am hoping you are wrong.
Someone somewhere has to find thier conscience.. We are talking about the demise of a precious child and a mother who has been lied to for over two years now..Living in HELL here on earth
Someone has to end this madness, even IF it implicates them...JMHO..

Em, I've come to the conclusion that none, nada, of these characters have a conscience at all.

 

[lonetraveler]

More now than ever I do believe that Gmother and GGmother know a lot more than the little things they mentioned.
I used to think TN was at GGS when she got the call. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine GGS also had a photo of Haleigh, but then again, we have read about a red truck being down by the RR tracks and somebody else's voice being on the 911 call. they have been way too quiet especially when other have gone on tv shows, except for the GGs/GHollers debate.

Just a comment on Teresa and Annette Sykes; from what I have seen, read, observed in the last two years plus: Teresa and Annette don't seem to be very close, KWIM?

 

[SmoothOperator]

Oh i agree with you on that one but i tend to think Misty is the ring leader.

As long as no one says anything they wil be ok i think they also think they will get out of jail sooner on the drug charges also.

I agree with alot of what is your latest thoughts of a possible theory to the happenings of the hours February 9-10 2009{God that is so very hard to believe that it has been well over 2 yrs now since little Haleigh IMO was murdered..I remember it clearly as it was announced and spread like wildfire thru the news agencies on the day of Caylee Anthony's now infamous televised memorial service[i.e "I love you C.M.A..I miss you C.M.A..etc..etc"..Lee's extremely strange speech made at his only niece's memorial service]}

I too have the same thoughts as you as far as believing that Ronald did not leave PDM Bridge that night and even more unpopularly I believe he was not "directly" involved with Haleigh's murder that night..rather IMO Haleigh's entire demise was partly out of concealing "things" from none other than Ronald{and the "things" I have multiple theories of}.. Though IMO Ronald is fully culpable for his only daughter's death in that it is only because of his selfish..irresponsible..careless..lack of concern for his children's well being and choices that he made that directly led to Haleigh losing her life..{As I posted earlier both Haleigh Cummings and Hailey Dunn never IMO had a chance in he!! of surviving their homes in which they were raised..I'm amazed that little Haleigh made it as far as 5 years of age and am superbly amazed that Hailey Dunn lived to be 13 yrs of age as a product of her environment that is a sheer miracle IMO}..

Strikingly and eerily similar are these two cases/investigations.. Both having brothers as their sibling that survived seemingly unscathed{i.e. physically but definitely NOT emotionally unscathed}..Both seemingly their demise was met at the hands of the very one that their primary parent loved/involved with and brought into the home to live with their child..most importantly IMO left unattended/unprotected and alone with the significant other[in Haleigh's case left totally "in the care of" the significant other] whom we all clearly see was not fit literally to babysit even an ant on the sidewalk..LITERALLY..much less a living..breathing..full of life..beautiful..yet helpless little girl[just sickening as I think about it over and over]...Definitely way too many eerily similar situations/issues between these two cases IMO..OF MOST IMPORTANCE that both still yet remain UN-solved[With little Haleigh's shockingly at over 2 full years now..and I fear Hailey Dunn's case is heading quite in the same fashion..with no end in sight]..

This case has taught me to always..always keep my mind open to any and all info that comes to light..discovered.. uncovered.. or possibly by the literal Grace of God someone actually tell the Gosh darn truth[but will not hold breath on that one]..but to always keep my mind open to process any new info that is learned no matter how it was that it came to light...and to always keep all possibilities available until PROVEN TO BE AN ABSOLUTE[which is so very little in this case]..but just most importantly to not be set in stone with any one specific theory..IMO this just is not possible to truly believe any one certain theory to be a sure fire deal of what went down..NOT WHEN WE TRULY DO NOT KNOW jack squat for certain in the entire case/investigation..that and the fact that every single person in/around this entire case has proven one thing for certain...AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ALL LIARS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF LYING STRAIGHT IN THE FACE OF AUTHORITY!!..sad to say I think they have all been raised to lie..raised to lie just for the sake of lying..for no certain reason..just to lie..

It is crazy and scary to know these type ppl live within our society..seemingly low-threat..no contributions to society..yet here we all can clearly see that "they" are certainly getting away with murder literally at this point 2 years in.. Yes they are incarcerated serving drug sentences...yet little Haleigh still goes UN-found..therefor justice UN-served in her behalf..by these type ppl...scary!!..frightening!!..

All of the above is jmo tho!!!

 

[twall]

Here are links to lists of current circuit and county judges within the Seventh Judicial Circuit of Florida-he is not on either list but that does not mean he is not sitting on the bench elsewhere. I just did not research any further.

http://www.circuit7.org/About the Court/circuitjudges.html

http://www.circuit7.org/About the Court/countyjudges.html

Quoting myself to add to the above post.

I had time to do some more research to see if Prugh is still active within the judicial system of Florida. I found that yes, he is.

Prugh is a General Magistrate/Child Support Hearing Officer. I was not clear on the definition of a state Magistrate so I looked it up. A Magistrate does not have as much power as a judge. They oversee civil and low class criminal misdemeanor cases. They are appointed by a sitting judge and not elected like a judge. A judge can hear civil as well as any type of criminal case ranging anywhere from a traffic ticket to murder.

What's the difference between a Judge & Magistrate?

"A District Judge is a judicial officer of the court whose duties involve hearing applications made within proceedings and final hearings subject to any limit of jurisdiction.

A magistrate is a civil officer with power to administrate and enforce law. A local member of the judiciary having limited jurisdiction, especially in criminal cases. A minor official, such as a justice of the peace, having administrative and limited judicial authority."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090314192707AA5Ixa4

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The Seventh Judicial Circuit Court uses General Magistrates and Child Support Enforcement Hearing Officers to aid in the prompt resolution of family law cases.

The use of General Magistrates is authorized by Rule 12.490, Florida Family Law Rules of Procedure. General Magistrates conduct temporary and post-judgment hearings in domestic relations cases and are used in Flagler, Putnam, St. Johns and Volusia counties.

The use of Child Support Enforcement Hearing Officers is authorized by Rule 12.491, Florida Family Law Rules of Procedure. Child Support Enforcement Hearing Officers conduct hearings regarding the establishment, enforcement and modification of child support and are used in Flagler, Putnam, St. Johns and Volusia counties.


General Magistrates for the Seventh Judicial Circuit Court of Florida

Volusia County Courthouse Annex
Alex Alvarez
125 E. Orange Ave., Room 309
Daytona Beach, FL 32114
Phone (386) 257-6030
Fax (386) 248-8129

Richard O. Watson Judicial Center
Denise Mensh
4010 Lewis Speedway, Room 290
St. Augustine, FL 32084
Phone (904) 827-5618
Fax (904) 827-5619

Volusia County Courthouse
Michael Wingo
101 N. Alabama Ave., Rm B-246
DeLand, FL 32724
Phone (386) 740-5296
Fax (386) 822-5083

Putnam County Courthouse
Mitchell Prugh
410 St. Johns Ave., Rm. 126
Palatka, FL 32178
Phone (386) 329-2522
Fax (386) 329-0339

Child Support Enforcement Hearing Officers for the Seventh Judicial Circuit Court of Florida

Volusia County Courthouse Annex
Neal Coffman
125 E. Orange Ave., Room 204
Daytona Beach, FL 32114
Phone (386) 248-8138
Fax (386) 248-8137

Putnam County Courthouse
Mitchell Prugh
410 St. Johns Ave., Rm. 126
Palatka, FL 32178
Phone (386) 329-2522
Fax (386) 329-0339

http://www.circuit7.org/Program and Services/magistrate_hearingofficer.html

 

[Whisperer]

Well, LE keeping the case so secret and under wraps due to any information the public has or seeks is detrimental to the case is definitely not working. They may have chosen another tactic when this one failed.

Why do we not have any search warrants or affidavits in this case? Heck, I don't even think we have the correct incident report. I am betting there is a corrected one that we have not seen.The only games played were to make sure the public gets nothing. I see no reason for this strategy...unless LE doesn't want to be judged.

IMO, it would have been better to throw it out there and let the rats chew on it. Instead they let the little mice hide and never show their faces. They all had attorneys. At this point, it may have been wise to declare them all suspects in the case and let the questioning begin. :needdrink: