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missy1974 said:
I was just rewatching the end of the testimony today... in the trial thread, someone said that the witness just ran out of water... I thought it was a 'joke', nope, he did run out of water while on cross hahaha

I just don't see how this witness was that great for the State. Something I didn't realize was... when Lane (?) says he doesn't feel a pulse, Chauvin says 'huh?' and Keung says he was checking for a pulse. I don't think I had heard that huh, or knew who it came from.
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Yes, it was Chauvin, and that's one reason why this witness was so good. He clarified that he heard him and still did not react. It was also Chauvin who kept saying, "uh- huh, uh- huh," when Floyd told him his neck and back hurt. It emphasizes his blatant disregard for human life. He was also the one who basically blamed Floyd's talking for the reason he was running out of oxygen, as he continued to reposition his knee to apply more pressure. Imo
 
MadMcGoo said:
I seem to recall Nelson (I think...it was today’s testimony) mention that the dispatcher could see the police vehicle from a traffic cam. And it was noticeably rocking back and forth when officers were struggling with GF? I was doing something else but heard that part. That’s unusual. Do dispatchers get to watch live feed of those traffic cams?

I apologize if I misheard. I tried going back and finding where I heard this, but Nelson’s questioning is all over the place. I couldn’t find it. Hopefully someone else will remember it.

ETA: I forgot where I was going with this. If the dispatcher upgraded the call to a Code 3 based on seeing this movement of the vehicle, wouldn’t it most likely have been after DC arrived?
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Was that the same dispatcher who called their supervisor because she sensed something didn't look right about the video? She said they pulled the guy out of the car and the officers "just sat on him." She said she thought the footage had frozen up since they were in one position for so long. She said she didn't know if it was a force issue or not, and the supervisor said he would come check it out.

And yes, she said they do get to see the live feed. She said every time she looked up the officers still hadn't moved and that's what made her suspicious. Anyway, that wasn't the same call that upgraded it to a code 3 but I'm not sure if was the same dispatcher. She said she felt strange "calling the police on the police," or something like that. Apparently police received about three other calls in regard to the incident besides the original 911 call. Imo
 
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posted this just as other thread closed..

The document dump...I don't think it was 50,000 all at once, but it went from 41k up to 50k, still seems unreasonable to be doing that the night before testimony.

Not sure if anyone else caught it, but at the end of the day, judge wanted lawyers in chambers to deal with a 'security' issue
 
Can someone bring over the transcript of the resting comfortably questioning someone was so KIND to type out??
 
MsBetsy said:
Yes, it was Chauvin, and that's one reason why this witness was so good. He clarified that he heard him and still did not react. It was also Chauvin who kept saying, "uh- huh, uh- huh," when Floyd told him his neck and back hurt. It emphasizes his blatant disregard for human life. He was also the one who basically blamed Floyd's talking for the reason he was running out of oxygen, as he continued to reposition his knee to apply more pressure. Imo
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Just reading this now MsBetsy... but Chauvin says "huh" << doesn't that indicate that he didn't hear the "he doesn't have a pulse"? I didn't know that it was Chauvin that said "huh".

It's like my when I talk to my husband, when he tunes me out and says "huh" (I took it as a huh? as in a question)

but then Keung says 'he was feeling for a pulse', doesn't repeat what Lane actually said.
 
Credits to Factoria for this transcription:

ICYMI: A short clip from Exhibit 43 (I believe this is Keung's BWC footage) is shown to Defense 'expert witness', Barry Brodd. Shows GF lying prone, handcuffed, and restrained by 3 officers.

Schleicher: What is Mr. Floyd doing in that clip?
Brodd: He's becoming more compliant.
S: Well, is there any non-compliance you were able to see in that clip?
B: In this clip, no.
S: And, so, he's not exhibiting any non-compliance, and, based on your testimony, and your review and the plain video record in front of you, you see that the Defendant has NOT changed his position. Correct?
B: Correct.
S: He's still applying the same level of force that he did at the beginning of the restraint period. True?
B: That, I can't say.
S: He's still kneeling on Mr. Floyd. Correct?
B: Yes.
S: And, you're not contending that this was some sort of an 'accidental' position, right? He didn't fall down onto Mr. Floyd... He was purposefully kneeling on him.
B: Yes.
S: So, based on your view of the Defendant being on top of Mr. Floyd, up to this point ~ and beyond this point, the Defendant did not alter the level of force that he was using on Mr. Floyd, did he?
B: No
S: Even though Mr. Floyd, by this point, had become, as you put it, compliant. Fair?
B: More compliant, yes.
S: Well, what part of this is non-compliant?
B: So, I see his arm in a bent position in the picture that's posted.
S: ... Right....
B: And, you know, a compliant person would have both their hands in the small of their back, and just be resting comfortably... versus, like he's still moving around.
S: Did you say 'resting comfortably'?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
B: Or laying comfortably...
S: 'Resting comfortably'.... on the pavement?!?
B: Yes.
S: And at this point in time, when he's attempting to breathe, by shoving his shoulder into the pavement...
B: I was describing what signs of a perfectly compliant person would be.
S: So, attempting to breathe, while restrained, is being slightly non-compliant?!?
B: ....... no...
S: No.
 
missy1974 said:
Just reading this now MsBetsy... but Chauvin says "huh" << doesn't that indicate that he didn't hear the "he doesn't have a pulse"? I didn't know that it was Chauvin that said "huh".

It's like my when I talk to my husband, when he tunes me out and says "huh" (I took it as a huh? as in a question)

but then Keung says 'he was feeling for a pulse', doesn't repeat what Lane actually said.
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But Chauvin also kept saying “uh huh” to George saying he was in pain. So he was listening.. IMO. He knew what he was doing. I wonder if he’d ever encountered George before? I want to know what happened in his past to either him or someone he cares for that made him have such a disregard for a human life.. a human life that had an addiction. Something had to of triggered him. SOMETHING happened because at first he was willing to plead guilty to the 3rd degree murder and take a plea. So he at that point knew he did something wrong.
 
delilah said:
Credits to Factoria for this transcription:
ICYMI: A short clip from Exhibit 43 (I believe this is Keung's BWC footage) is shown to Defense 'expert witness', Barry Brodd. Shows GF lying prone, handcuffed, and restrained by 3 officers.

Schleicher: What is Mr. Floyd doing in that clip?
Brodd: He's becoming more compliant.
S: Well, is there any non-compliance you were able to see in that clip?
B: In this clip, no.
S: And, so, he's not exhibiting any non-compliance, and, based on your testimony, and your review and the plain video record in front of you, you see that the Defendant has NOT changed his position. Correct?
B: Correct.
S: He's still applying the same level of force that he did at the beginning of the restraint period. True?
B: That, I can't say.
S: He's still kneeling on Mr. Floyd. Correct?
B: Yes.
S: And, you're not contending that this was some sort of an 'accidental' position, right? He didn't fall down onto Mr. Floyd... He was purposefully kneeling on him.
B: Yes.
S: So, based on your view of the Defendant being on top of Mr. Floyd, up to this point ~ and beyond this point, the Defendant did not alter the level of force that he was using on Mr. Floyd, did he?
B: No
S: Even though Mr. Floyd, by this point, had become, as you put it, compliant. Fair?
B: More compliant, yes.
S: Well, what part of this is non-compliant?
B: So, I see his arm in a bent position in the picture that's posted.
S: ... Right....
B: And, you know, a compliant person would have both their hands in the small of their back, and just be resting comfortably... versus, like he's still moving around.
S: Did you say 'resting comfortably'?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
B: Or laying comfortably...
S: 'Resting comfortably'.... on the pavement?!?
B: Yes.
S: And at this point in time, when he's attempting to breathe, by shoving his shoulder into the pavement...
B: I was describing what signs of a perfectly compliant person would be.
S: So, attempting to breathe, while restrained, is being slightly non-compliant?!?
B: ....... no...
S: No.
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Thank you thank you thank you bunches!!!!
 
missy1974 said:
posted this just as other thread closed..

The document dump...I don't think it was 50,000 all at once, but it went from 41k up to 50k, still seems unreasonable to be doing that the night before testimony.

Not sure if anyone else caught it, but at the end of the day, judge wanted lawyers in chambers to deal with a 'security' issue
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Do we know what the document dump consists of?

IMO it is likely something that the prosecution is required, by law, to provide to the defense once the prosecution has rested their case (due to the timing).

Court attorneys have to meet up with each other frequently, in many different cases. Some of them are friends with each other. I don't think they intentionally try to make life hard for each other (judging by the things my best friend's ADA DIL has said about socialising together etc.)
 
I wonder if the excited delirium testimony will affect the jury's decision in this case.
Nelson called to the stand Nicole Mackenzie, a Minneapolis police training officer, to expound on excited delirium. While Floyd was pinned to the ground, a relatively new officer at the scene had mentioned that Floyd might be suffering from such a condition.

Mackenzie testified that incoming officers are taught to recognize the signs of excited delirium: Suspects may be incoherent, exhibit extraordinary strength, be sweaty or suffering from abnormally low body temperature, or seem like they suddenly snapped.

She said officers are also trained to call paramedics, because a person in that state can rapidly go into cardiac arrest.
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Derek Chauvin trial: Expert says cop was justified in pinning down George Floyd
 
delilah said:
That was a devastating cross by Schleicher today. Brodd is in a different class from the state’s use of force experts, and it’s not a good class. IMO.
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I think the State was able to get their points across, but I also think the defense did the same with the State witnesses. (after catching up on the trial thread, I had to double check I didn't miss more of the cross because I thought I missed some :confused: )

I think the make up of the jury and their preconceived opinions will play a big part in their decision on who they are going to believe. I'm not judging anyone for their own thoughts and opinions, but I think that the defense could parade in 50 witnesses saying that it was appropriate force and many wouldn't budge in their thinking/opinion. I also think the same goes the other way, the State could bring in 50 and those that believe it was not appropriate, wouldn't budge.

I am still on re-direct.
 
Katerz said:
But Chauvin also kept saying “uh huh” to George saying he was in pain. So he was listening.. IMO. He knew what he was doing. I wonder if he’d ever encountered George before? I want to know what happened in his past to either him or someone he cares for that made him have such a disregard for a human life.. a human life that had an addiction. Something had to of triggered him. SOMETHING happened because at first he was willing to plead guilty to the 3rd degree murder and take a plea. So he at that point knew he did something wrong.
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I imagine it can lead to job burnout, classing everyone as the same kind of person, prejudices, and other slants of view.


Several people interviewed for this story noted that Chauvin chose to remain on his intense patrol beat much longer than most officers do. That can affect someone, they said.
“Nineteen years on the street is a long time, period,” said former MPD Chief Janeé Harteau. “And 19 years in mostly the same place on the same shift is too long.”
Even to friends, former officer Derek Chauvin was an enigma - StarTribune.com
 
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delilah said:
Credits to Factoria for this transcription:

ICYMI: A short clip from Exhibit 43 (I believe this is Keung's BWC footage) is shown to Defense 'expert witness', Barry Brodd. Shows GF lying prone, handcuffed, and restrained by 3 officers.

Schleicher: What is Mr. Floyd doing in that clip?
Brodd: He's becoming more compliant.
S: Well, is there any non-compliance you were able to see in that clip?
B: In this clip, no.
S: And, so, he's not exhibiting any non-compliance, and, based on your testimony, and your review and the plain video record in front of you, you see that the Defendant has NOT changed his position. Correct?
B: Correct.
S: He's still applying the same level of force that he did at the beginning of the restraint period. True?
B: That, I can't say.
S: He's still kneeling on Mr. Floyd. Correct?
B: Yes.
S: And, you're not contending that this was some sort of an 'accidental' position, right? He didn't fall down onto Mr. Floyd... He was purposefully kneeling on him.
B: Yes.
S: So, based on your view of the Defendant being on top of Mr. Floyd, up to this point ~ and beyond this point, the Defendant did not alter the level of force that he was using on Mr. Floyd, did he?
B: No
S: Even though Mr. Floyd, by this point, had become, as you put it, compliant. Fair?
B: More compliant, yes.
S: Well, what part of this is non-compliant?
B: So, I see his arm in a bent position in the picture that's posted.
S: ... Right....
B: And, you know, a compliant person would have both their hands in the small of their back, and just be resting comfortably... versus, like he's still moving around.
S: Did you say 'resting comfortably'?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
B: Or laying comfortably...
S: 'Resting comfortably'.... on the pavement?!?
B: Yes.
S: And at this point in time, when he's attempting to breathe, by shoving his shoulder into the pavement...
B: I was describing what signs of a perfectly compliant person would be.
S: So, attempting to breathe, while restrained, is being slightly non-compliant?!?
B: ....... no...
S: No.
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BBM. Like a dead person?
 
SouthAussie said:
I have read comments that Chauvin worked in that zone for 19 years and that was too long to work in one zone.
I imagine it can lead to job burnout, classing everyone as the same kind of person, prejudices, and other slants of view.


Several people interviewed for this story noted that Chauvin chose to remain on his intense patrol beat much longer than most officers do. That can affect someone, they said.
“Nineteen years on the street is a long time, period,” said former MPD Chief Janeé Harteau. “And 19 years in mostly the same place on the same shift is too long.”
Even to friends, former officer Derek Chauvin was an enigma - StarTribune.com
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I found it odd that he's still a patrol officer after 19 years and he hasn't moved up in ranks. Maybe it's quite common and I just don't know how that all really works.
 
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