George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #12 Wed July 10

[JusticeJunkie]

WOW. This judge is just piling up the issues. She may as well stop the trial. If Z is convicted, it will be overturned in a heartbeat because of the judge's actions.

IMO

 

[marlap]

I'd be afraid. And I have been followed (as a teenager) - and was scared. But I wouldn't confront the person following me. I'd try to get to safety - in TM's case that would be at home behind a locked door - or if his home were far, to knock on the door of a house where it appeared people were home. If TM had truly been scared, IMO, he would have gotten to safety or used his phone to call 911.

But people are different...some react to fear with flight and some with fight.

I posted a little earlier that I had the "fight" reaction as a home-alone child (age12) and confronted and yelled at a burglar who had broken in to "Get OUT!"

I know what it feels like to be very afraid and instead of hide, act all tough.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Mr. Zimmerman HAS to be ADVISED of HIS RIGHTS by THE JUDGE and he HAS to be asked HIS desicion re HIS TESTIMONY, by THE JUDGE. Caps for emphasis only...
It's Courtroom protocol and procedure...and Don West has NO RIGHT to try and deprive his client of that RIGHT. It's GZ's decision, NOT his.IMO

I think Judge Nelson has bent over backward to accomodate West's nastiness. Like many, the Judge is fed up with Don West's unlawful actions and interruptions, continually done with a bullying attitude, toward not only her but the Witnesses.IMO

Don West = Judge Wannabe IMO and it's a shame that instead of just denying his silly objections that Judge Nelson didn't call him as he was, Out of Order and in Contempt...Don West is a Master of Contempt...and fine him accordingly....IMO

As it is, IMO, a mistrial can be called because of the undue agressiveness and unlawful procedures of the so-called defense.IMO

I agree. Wasn't that him who posted the ice cream cones photo on twitter too? IMO the defense is desperate and willing to try everything now.

 

[qwerty2013]

EXACTLY. THERE IS NO PROOF THAT GZ Murdered TM in cold blood. With ill will toward him. And that is the end of the case.

Hmm...IMO, knowingly shooting someone already shows some "ill will" towards that person...I don't know what it is like to take away someone's life, unless I/GZ is forced to do it to save my/his own life. IMO, the case is still wide open, until jurors rule in favor of defense.

 

[missmazzy]

It doesn't take a warrior mindset to shoot an unarmed 17 yr old.

The state should just let them go ahead, he is helping the pros, IMO

I respectfully disagree. GZ shot in self defense. The "non warrior" was getting his butt kicked and was in fear for his life. Not MO, but GZ's.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I agree. Wasn't that him who posted the ice cream cones photo on twitter too? IMO the defense is desperate and willing to try everything now.

No. He did not. That was his DD that posted a picture of them out having ice cream. Not at all relevant to the case.

 

[ncgramma]

I think this is an extremely important trial and will be referred too in future trials. What happens here can make a big difference in the lives of folks down the line. IMO

Lots of folks. All races, colors and creeds. Regardless of what anyone thinks of this case, everyone should be furious when a defendant is stripped of their rights to an effective and zealous defense. Isn't that the progress we're supposed to have made from "the old days"? Aren't those "two sides to a story" precisely what we use as jurors to insure that we can make reasoned decisions?

The media and others have regrettably fanned the flames of emotion in this trial, and by doing so they, themselves, have misdirected the attention where it should be. A judge who ignores the very rules of the court they preside over is a dangerous precedent for all Americans to allow to be set.

 

[Leilei]

But why? ANy idea?

It would be a bad move, due to the perjury charge. IMO.

 

[defense101]

OMG was he an eyewitness, that is the dumbest statement he could have made. IMO

 

[Nezumi]

Or intimidate a defendant into making a declaration without benefit of conferring with his attorney or allowing his attorney to state the reason for an objection? This is more than possible reversible error if a defendant files an appeal. IMO

IMO she should be charged with Judicial misconduct and removed from the bench permanently.

ETA the only bright spot is that she just handed GZ all the appellate ammo he needs in the unlikely event he is convicted. IMO

 

[DIBSY]

He basically admitted GZ was not treated as a suspect in a homicide.

Very true..crime scene procedure wasn't followed as is normal in such circumstances...GZ wasn't tested for substances of any sort...Coversely, IMO George Zimmerman took charge of the case / investigation, doing his own interpretation in the reenactment....everything he could think of to make himself look justified in the horrible thing he did without so much as one single sign of remorse....Zimmerman has played cop, judge, victim and jury from the moment he got TBM on his deadly radar. IMO

 

[Beyond Belief]

no one knows at the minute of the shot except george if he even knows. trayvon could have mentally began to retreat. imo

 

[marlap]

You're welcome to your opinion, but the testimony of the states star witness, RJ, does not reflect this. There is nothing in her testimony about the phone call that indicates that TM was ever scared or in fear.

It is my opinion, I agree there's no proof...but I feel it's human nature to feel fear if a stranger is following you in the dark.

TM may not have been afraid, but my opinion is that he very likely was because of human nature.

I totally respect your differing view.

 

[katiewonders]

Remember the woman in a similar home invasion who called 911 and told them she had her child and herself in a room and if the intruders came into that bedroom she would shoot him. And she did, dead. IIRC This girl needs to call her up and chat. MOO

 

[sorrell skye]

I must commend the Defense team. Despite what I consider to be outrageous behavior on the part of the judge (IMO) by demanding that the defendant decide immediately upon her insistence (even after the Defense had indicated to the Court that they had not concluded their case) whether or not he plans to testify, the defense attorneys have managed to carry on, and are trying to do their best to defend their client in what is (IMO) a case presided over by a biased judge.

MOO

 

[logicalgirl]

If she wants to know that, that's a question for the attorneys, not the defendant.

IMHO

It isn't the attorney's decision whether or not Zimmerman is going to testify - he might not even tell them in advance - so why would she ask the attorney's? If GZ says "yes" she needs more time - if he says "no" she needs less time - it seems simple to me. IMO

 

[PaperDoll]

But RJ says that TM said exactly what GZ said he said.
And then punched GZ in the face.

So when I add his testimony to hers, It fits exactly with what he said. It is a complete overlap.

And support GZ account/.

From my understanding, GZ didn't say exactly what RJ said was being said, if I'm understanding your statement here.

GZ: TM jumped out of the bushes and said "Got a problem, Homie?"
GZ: "No, I don't have a problem"

RJ version:
TM: "Why are you following me?"
GZ: "What are you doing here?"

Not exact IMO. Also, GZ was asked during another interview if TM actually used the word "Homey" and GZ said he couldn't remember. GZ also couldn't remember if he fell immediately after the punch, like he stated in his first interview. Again, I believe some of what GZ is saying happened, but not all of it.. Remember that no one saw this from beginning to end, only portions. There were also a few witnesses that said they heard running or feet hitting the pavement, sounds coming for one end and ending in another. This is all we can go by as well as Goode seeing this unfold in a 10 second time frame. :twocents:

 

[missmazzy]

Sounds like the complex GZ lived in is empty.

 

[ncgramma]

Ok let's see how this one goes. GZ was never mentioned in the direct.

 

[JeannaT]

It isn't the attorney's decision whether or not Zimmerman is going to testify - he might not even tell them in advance - so why would she ask the attorney's? If GZ says "yes" she needs more time - if he says "no" she needs less time - it seems simple to me. IMO

That's not how it's done, though. The judge doesn't interact with the defendant and demand an answer to something that isn't due yet, over the objection of his attorney.

IMHO