George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #12 Wed July 10

[RANCH]

This recross isn't going well for the state in my opinion.

 

[missmazzy]

I remember Judge Perry being very kind, considerate and gentle when he asked KC whether she was going to testify.

This Judge is more annoying than Nurmi and Willmott put together. The Defendant being rushed into a decision on whether to testify or not....not good.

Imo.

Slightly OT. I remember watching this hearing on the old Court TV. Definitely worth a look.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/200...erson-permanently-removed-benc/#axzz2YfYK6C5B

 

[?noanswer]

But why? ANy idea?

Because first of all, a wife cannot be compelled to testify against husband and she really was not there to know what happened. The only thing that she might have been able to do was identify his voice.

JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Mr. Zimmerman HAS to be ADVISED of HIS RIGHTS by THE JUDGE and he HAS to be asked HIS desicion re HIS TESTIMONY, by THE JUDGE. Caps for emphasis only...
It's Courtroom protocol and procedure...and Don West has NO RIGHT to try and deprive his client of that RIGHT. It's GZ's decision, NOT his.IMO

I think Judge Nelson has bent over backward to accomodate West's nastiness. Like many, the Judge is fed up with Don West's unlawful actions and interruptions, continually done with a bullying attitude, toward not only her but the Witnesses.IMO

Don West = Judge Wannabe IMO and it's a shame that instead of just denying his silly objections that Judge Nelson didn't call him as he was, Out of Order and in Contempt...Don West is a Master of Contempt...and fine him accordingly....IMO

As it is, IMO, a mistrial can be called because of the undue agressiveness and unlawful procedures of the so-called defense.IMO

BBM, She did not because he was not. He was trying to object and she was not listening to the objection and just over ruling him. continually.

GZ does not have to decide until his case is over has he stated and she continued to ask him for a time limit on when he would know.. THAT IS NOT PROPER PROCEDURE.

There is no mistrial because there is no grounds for mistrial based on that interaction. You may want one because you are annoyed but that does not make it the law.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Why is the state getting a chance to re-redirect?

 

[defense101]

IMO, the state would not want to do that because it will open the door for the defense to bring up TM's record, school suspension, etc. JMO. OMO. MOO.

Exactly, which is why they didn't do it but the defense did IMO

 

[Kip]

My opinion is that TM called GZ names because he was scared,

I know I would be scared if in the dark, a stranger in a vehicle was slowly following me, got out, followed me on foot...etc...

Maybe TM would not have been afraid, but I'm thinking human nature.

I'd be afraid. And I have been followed (as a teenager) - and was scared. But I wouldn't confront the person following me. I'd try to get to safety - in TM's case that would be at home behind a locked door - or if his home were far, to knock on the door of a house where it appeared people were home. If TM had truly been scared, IMO, he would have gotten to safety or used his phone to call 911.

 

[sickofitAll]

this dude is killing the prosecution...

 

[JeannaT]

Why is the state getting a chance to re-redirect?

One of the witnesses - I forget which - had rererereredirect.

IMHO

 

[Peliman]

Mr. Zimmerman HAS to be ADVISED of HIS RIGHTS by THE JUDGE and he HAS to be asked HIS desicion re HIS TESTIMONY, by THE JUDGE. Caps for emphasis only...
It's Courtroom protocol and procedure...and Don West has NO RIGHT to try and deprive his client of that RIGHT. It's GZ's decision, NOT his.IMO

I think Judge Nelson has bent over backward to accomodate West's nastiness. Like many, the Judge is fed up with Don West's unlawful actions and interruptions, continually done with a bullying attitude, toward not only her but the Witnesses.IMO

Don West = Judge Wannabe IMO and it's a shame that instead of just denying his silly objections that Judge Nelson didn't call him as he was, Out of Order and in Contempt...Don West is a Master of Contempt...and fine him accordingly....IMO

As it is, IMO, a mistrial can be called because of the undue agressiveness and unlawful procedures of the so-called defense.IMO

I object!

 

[defense101]

Why is the state getting a chance to re-redirect?

Because the burden of proof is on them and they have the right to counter all and any evidence the defense has put up.

 

[?noanswer]

This recross isn't going well for the state in my opinion.

This witness may not have testified in a criminal case for the defense before, but he seems to be a good witness.

JMO

 

[bellaalex]

I think the judge was forcing him to answer early to help the prosecution know what to plan for. JMO. But I think she's been a terrible judge through the whole thing because she's just not good at her job. IMO MOO

EXACTLY what I was thinking. IMO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

"Highly unlikely". Just like the chances of a conviction in this case.
IMO

 

[Karmady]

At the end of the defense's case, not in the middle of arguably their star witness.

IMHO

She didn't do that in front of the jury did she? I missed the whole last hour or more.

 

[defense101]

I'd be afraid. And I have been followed (as a teenager) - and was scared. But I wouldn't confront the person following me. I'd try to get to safety - in TM's case that would be at home behind a locked door - or if his home were far, to knock on the door of a house where it appeared people were home. If TM had truly been scared, IMO, he would have gotten to safety or used his phone to call 911.

Or use the SYG law

 

[UdbCrzy2]

No. He does not have to decide until their case is completed. Asking him when he will be ready is not appropriate. He can not answer until he knows how his case looks in the entirety.

I think Omara was telling her right before this that he only had two more people. So IMO the case is at the end....

 

[MouseTheLuckyDog]

I've only ever witnessed bar brawls, and there's usually a lot of chasing, pulling, shoving and shouting, very little punching ever takes place, even though they are long-winded affairs compared to these 2 minutes.

I on the other hand have seen a few fights where the main form of attack was throwing punchs. There are a lot or reasons for the way fights happen as such.

In bar room brawls, the brawlers tend to be "out of shape" people, they might be buff but they prefer to plant their buts on bar stools instead of doing things to perfect their techniques. Punching in general is a learned response. Most people don't do it with consistency ( such as throwing combinations ) instinctively.


BTW anyone who has done any martial arts training knows why boxing matches have short rounds ( 2 min, 5min been a long time ) fighting burns up a lot of energy and in those rounds a lot of time is spent dancing not fighting.


{QUOTE] People tend to forget that these are *two* able-bodied males, and both are capable of inflicting injuries on the other. It isn't logical to suppose that somehow GZ was unable to fight back in any way. This is why I find it incredulous that GZ could fear for his life within 2 minutes, as he sustained very little injury to his person. IMO.:twocents:[/QUOTE]

Gee and I have seen a lot of pro fighters get knocked out in seconds ( can anyone say Mike Tyson ). The joke is even --guy gets up to get popcorn--"What'd I miss--fights over." Those guys were a lot more fit then either of these two guys.

Thanks to the cell phone records we now have a good idea of what happened. Cute little Tryvon was skipping along, looking around at all the nice houses. This guy starts to watch him. Follows at a distance. This is a bit creepy. Let's put distance between me and him. He goes skipping/trotting/jogging off.

Now George sees TM and calls him in. He thinks this guy is up to no good. So he follows in his car at a distance. He can't remember addresses--remember he has ADD he gets distracted easily. So he goes out looking for an address. While he's out he decides to look around a bit see if he can't spot the guy.

In the meantime little fight-enamored Trayvon decides that GZ is not a threat, but hey this would be great opportunity to practice his fighting skills. He approaches GZ a little discussion ensues then TM punches him and starts doing all that MMA stuff he's so enthralled by.

In the meantime GZ is getting punded on his head is being pushed into the concrete tries to slide down. His jacket rides up revealing his gun.

Now little gun-wanting TM who we know tried to get a gun see the gun. In his 17 year old
easily distracted mind, he sees an opportunity to get one. This cracker is pretty well out of it. He's never gonna catch up. So he decides to grab the gun and run for it. He reaches for the gun.

Meanwhile GZ is on the ground. His bell has been rung several times. He is disoriented. He thinks he heard TM say "You are going to die tonight. " But with the damage around his ears, that "water in the ear" feeling like you just got out of the shower. On top of that he is disoriented and not processing sound correctly. It turns out that TM really said "I got me a gun tonight". But what matter iss what GZ thought he heard. He saw Trayvon reaching for the gun. So he goes grabbing for the gun and fires it before a fight over the gun can start. Self defense.
CASE CLOSED.

 

[Snoods]

You know, I have to say - that if the jury is as split as we are on this board- it's going to make for some long contentious deliberations. I cannot really recall a time in all my years on Websleuths that we have been so divided. Running high on emotion yes - but for the most part, in my experience, the vast majority of us have been on the same "side." Definitely not so in this case. And I can barely even look in the mirror at myself on this one- suddenly I am liking defense attorneys, annoyed with prosecutors--who am I?! I think everyone will breathe a sigh of relief once this case is concluded - hopefully with the just verdict and without incident following whatever that just verdict is. IMO.

:tyou: Great post! I agree with everything you just said.

 

[ShadyLady]

Okay that makes sense if TM fell forward- except it was 160 lbs - and if he fell on GZ, surely some of TM's blood from a mortal wound would be on GZ wouldn't it? But it he fell back or over to the side? His body was lying flat wasn't it? Not twisted? And how would his arms be neatly underneath himself. And when did GZ stretch his arms out straight?

I was being generous to your side saying 100lbs. It was testified that Trayvon bled out internally...it was raining washing blood off...and it probably happened quickly and maybe he was partially to the side of Trayvon when the shot took place, they were struggling. Blood did not spat out as Trayvon also had two sets of tops on.