George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #13 Thursday July 11

[Harmony 2]

Please refrain from bringing politics into this thread. thanks...

 

[SilkySifaka]

As well he should be, Silky. This isn't pretend outrage, this is outrageous for the state to do this.

I think later this will be made very clear by the talking heads that you may believe.

IMHO

I haven't and won't watch any of the TH's, i only go by the trial. imo

 

[lisasalinger]

Oh wow, wow, wow

Yes, IMO, wow, wow, wow

I'm watching HLN (as opposed to live feed) only because I'm getting ready for work. They are just starting Don West's argument now... can't wait to see what happens.

IMO

 

[Leilei]

Just picking this post at random (not disagreeing with you). I can't say for sure what really happened the night GZ shot TM...I wasn't there. I find myself leaning either way depending on the day. And that's the problem. I'm not 100%. If I'm a juror, I would have a very hard time convicting GZ of 2nd degree murder. I've followed the trial, and I just haven't had that "Aha"! moment. I can't predict what the jury will do, but I know what I would do (I've kept a very open mind). That being said, I would have no problem convicting him on a lesser charge (assault/battery etc) because, well.. Could you imagine living in a society where it's acceptable to use deadly force if you're losing a fight? GZ obviously had a busted nose and mild injuries to his head, but again.. What's to prevent someone getting a little bloody from just whipping out their gun, shooting, and claiming self defense? This is why I feel there must be some consequence. IMO, OMO, MOO.

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Thank you for this. I don't see Murder 2 at all, and I've looked for it. It's no secret that I want to see justice for TM, but the evidence is just too iffy on the Murder 2 charge. Nobody knows what happened that night, except for TM and GZ. But, some sort of consequences need to be imparted.

That said, I don't think he'll be convicted of anything. I'll be really surprised if he is. IMO. JMO.

 

[PaperDoll]

I understand what you're saying but I don't agree. Getting out of the car and even following TM was not illegal. He had no idea that his actions would lead to a fight where he would have to kill another person in self-defense. And this way of thinking can go both ways. If only TM had just gone home etc....

A fist can do a lot of damage. If GZ did not have a gun I believe he would have ended up dead or at least with some permanent head injuries.

TM didn't need to go home, why should he? He has a right to hang out in the neighborhood. GZ is the one who ASSUMED he was up to no good and started the ball rolling. TM I'm sure didn't know GZ had called NE on him and for what reason? Simply he was not running to get out of the rain? Looking around? TM didn't now he was being targeted as a "suspect" ... Had GZ let the police handle this, I none of this would have happened, in fact I bet the police would have simply stayed in their cars just keeping an eye out. GZ, however, took off after TM knowing full well he should not have done that. :twocents:

 

[RANCH]

And again.. She won't give the defense time to adequately research but only minutes.. That is an issue considering this is a new bomb this am.

I think that's because she's already made up her mind and doesn't want to delay the trial. MOO.

 

[JeannaT]

I haven't and won't watch any of the TH's, i only go by the trial. imo

The live stream I've been watching mostly, you can't help it. When they have a chance, they stick a talking head in there. That's thelivestream that works best for me usually - the others freeze up.

IMHO

 

[JeannaT]

I think that's because she's already made up her mind and doesn't want to delay the trial. MOO.

I thought the jury was already supposed to be there, it's after 10 there, IMHO she needs to drop that silly murder3 if she wants to proceed in a timely manner.

IMHO, of course.

 

[Nezumi]

I still don't like West. Let me make that clear.

His points are clear and correct, His arguing style is annoying.

He is passionate and that is clear. He is fighting for GZ but he is also in need of a little calming self control of MO'M.

And WHERE HE IS??? ARG!

Their paralegal is probably frantically texting him now.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

IMO it is proven by the 911 call that GZ provoked and initiated the confrontation.

It was not a 911 call. It was a non emergency report call.

NO where on the tape does he confront TM

However in the STATES case Rachel Jeantel says that TM confronted GZ speaking to him first. The confrontation and fight takes place within feet of the sidewalk that is a direct line from GZ's truck.

HE did not move. He was waiting on police to arrive.

Evidence in the case.

 

[Lorraine77]

I am glad the prosecution is pointing out that TM was a child and that child abuse charges apply.

ETA I don't think the judge will go for it though.

IMO

Did GZ know how old Trayvon was at the time of his alleged crime?
Child abuse is ridiculous IMO.

 

[Isabelle]

Would these last minute changes help with an appeal in the future?

 

[JeannaT]

Ooh, clever. THey refuse to admit that Trayvon was committing a felony, so they can't use the justified use of deadly force thing.

IMHO

 

[Foxfire]

So as the spectre of the verdict approaches, will Trayvon's family do what they did before, and stand before the pubic and ask for support but peace? I hope so, they were so effective before in asking that no one else be harmed in the name of Trayvon Martin, but that expressions of grief and outrage should be contained in nonviolent protests.

IMHO

JeannaT, this statement made in March 26th, 2012 speaks volumes, imo;

Trayvon’s Mom: ‘They’ve Killed My Son, And Now They’re Trying To Kill His Reputation’



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trayvons...and-now-theyre-trying-to-kill-his-reputation/

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I haven't and won't watch any of the TH's, i only go by the trial. imo

Me also. I have only watched the case and followed evidence supplied by the state. My decision on the case is coming solely from the state CIC.

 

[PaperDoll]

I still will never understand this argument. Yes, we can agree he made a bad choice but that bad choice was not against the law. Getting out of the car and walking in the neighborhood is not against the law. Everything else has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. So why should he pay a legal price for his bad choices?

But his actions caused the death of another. I do not believe GZ is a murder and didn't go after TM with the intent to kill, however, he ended up doing just that all because of his actions. Again, I do not believe GZ deserves life or death but maybe a lesser charge. HIS ACTIONS DID THIS!!!! Right or wrong. TM has a right, too :twocents:

 

[NancyGracesBangs]

Would these last minute changes help with an appeal in the future?

IMO If he is convicted, this whole entire case is fraught with appeal issues so why stop now at this juncture!

 

[RANCH]

Mr West is correct. Self defense is the only issue. MOO.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Just tuned in...what was West claiming was a trick? tia

 

[Donnareit]

This is going to be interesting. I await the fireworks.

IMO this won't be popular to say, but I have noticed Mr. West smirking and being snippy. I think most could agree he is argumentative. So if I were the judge, I'd be cranky with him too. :moo: