George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #2

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He was tired and out of breath...from what? Running, yes? Running from whom, GZ? Yes. IMO only...and I'm not on the jury :yes: this proves GZ chased TM. Again, it's simply my opinion.

Not necessarily. He could have been just running because he wanted to run. But if he was, He would have been well out of the neighborhood by the time GZ was out and walking around.
 
How far was Trayvon's body from his father's girlfriend's house? Where did she live in relation to where the body was found?

His body was found something like 700 feet to the north of the house, IIRC from the initial reporting on the case.
 
Maybe he kept walking? I don't know but he had every right to be out there in his own neighborhood so where he was.

I am going back to read testimony..

Yes, but if he's still pursuing Trayvon, it would explain why he'd feel threatened. That is something George instigated, even if he had a legal right to walk behind a person in his neighborhood.
 
She said that it lasted 45 minutes, but that there was no actual discussion of testimony. That it was just to make sure she was okay to testify.

But it took 45 minutes. That doesn't quite make sense to me.

Exactly. I think the defense is doing a good job of raising doubt in her testimony.
 
Defense is doing a good job, but I really think she saw them fighting. I am really surprised she didn't duck when she heard the shot, the rest of the homeowners were hysterical.
 
Then what are your questions? Let's see if we can bring about some clarity! Believe me, this has been hashed and rehashed in the first few months of the case appearing.

Listen, you don't have to agree with me. But I just think it's irresponsible to take one side without all the facts. You've taken a side based on your speculation only. That's not enough for me. You keep telling people that's not in evidence. But your version is not in evidence either. So its not enough for me.
 
Assaulting an officer, and domestic violence.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

The assault charges were dropped when he agreed to some kind of substance abuse education program.
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This is not a "clear, documented police record of violence".

You have a civil case in which the police were never involved in, and was resolved with both sides receiving restraining orders - essentially he said, she said.

Then you have charges that were lessened in court to a non-violent offense, of which he was convicted. What he was charged with doesn't matter. You can charge someone with anything. The conviction is all that matters. And then the charge was subsequently expunged after he met certain requirements and stayed out of trouble for a prescribed period of time, because he was a first-time offender.

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How far was Trayvon's body from his father's girlfriend's house? Where did she live in relation to where the body was found?

Trayvon was found 70 yards north from his destination.

About as long as a football field. He would have been home in less time it took for George to get off the phone.

And according to what she told the prosecution, he was right by his dad's house.

I said, &#8216;Keep running.&#8217; He said he ain&#8217;t gonna run. &#8216;Cause he said he is right by his father&#8217;s house.

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So, one set of histories is admissible, while another is not. Gotcha.

That's all I was demonstrating. :winko:

from what i have read tm history was not allowed because gz wasn't aware b4 the incident, but gz history is allowed, is 911 calks because it shows state of mind and a pattern of events :twocents:
 
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I think that it is hard because some people want to say " Well if GZ would not have gotten out of his truck... "

But the flip side is " IF TM had continued straight home he would not have been there either"

They probably both could have done some thing differently and we would never know who they were because TM would have been home.

BUT they both made choices that ended up in them meeting in the dark and fighting and then the terrible shot.
 
from what i have read tm history was not allowed because gz wasn't aware b4 the incident, but gz history is allowed, is 911 calks because it shows state of mind and a pattern of events :twocents:

GZ's history is only allowed if the state brings it up.

and the same goes for the defense.

If the state brings up GZ's history then TM's history is fair game.
 
I just think there is too much left to interpretation. The 911 told us he does not give orders just suggestions.

I think that it depends on the person who hears it and their experience.

Link to Orlando Neighborhood Watch Program:

http://www.cityoforlando.net/police/citizen_info/neighborhood_watch.htm

Excerpts:

......"REMEMBER:

Neighborhood Watch members serve solely as the extra "eyes and ears" of law enforcement.

Neighborhood Watch members should report their observations of suspicious activities to law enforcement by calling 9-1-1.

Never try to take action on those observations.

Only trained law enforcement should take action.

Please share this with ALL of your Neighborhood Watch members and neighbors."

......"What is Suspicious Activity?

Someone screaming or shouting for help

Someone looking into windows and parked cars

Unusual noises

Property being taken out of houses where no one is at home or a business is closed

Cars, vans or trucks moving slowly without apparent destination, or without lights

Anyone being forced into a vehicle

A stranger sitting in a car or stopping to talk to a child

Abandoned cars

A suspicious activity is an occurrence that is out of place and should not be happening in your neighborhood. Report these incidents to the police department. Talk about the problem with your neighbors.

Our team formula is:
Neighborhood Watch + 9-1-1 = Safer Neighborhoods in Orlando!"

GZ KNEW, from being his Neighborhood Watch Block Captain, what the procedure was if he came upon "suspicious activity". Even with 911 telling him "We don't need you to do that", there is a specific protocol, which he was totally aware of going through the Neighborhood Watch program.
JMO.
 
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