George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #3

[2Hip2BSquare]

No. Really you are supposed to hold it together and not be overly emotional. Even the families.

You can control your emotions. IT is why TA's family while crying still kept it under control.

Why should he hand his head in shame??? He was protecting his own life. He was attacked. He defended himself. That is not shameful.

You are not accurately following what I'm saying.

He shedding a single solitary tear would not be overly emotional.

And whenever you kill someone, in self defense or no, you should feel remorse. Especially of they were younger.

 

[iluvmua]

Can you explain please. I did not pay attention to this case when it happened due to the high drama. I punched in at jury selection.

Here are articles about the State hiding evidence from the defense:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/04/3126803/zimmerman-defense-prosecutors.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-bernie-de-la-rionda

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...her-prosecutors-angela-coreys-office-withheld

 

[DIBSY]

I agree, it didn't seem that big to me either. Most witnesses have a side. I was a witness in a murder trial and I absolutely wanted the defendant convicted and believed 100% in his guilt. It didn't change my testimony at all.

Point beautifully made and taken in. Many thanks for personal experience pertaining to a murder trial. I was a hostile witness for the defense in a murder trial years ago and it's normal and common for witnesses to absolutely have a solid opinion as to Guilt or Innocence. Which is Why some witnesses are designated as " hostile. "

 

[PaperDoll]

I've often wonder if GZ got his scratches from falling, or from some other means. Also, I do not believe that those bumps on his head were from this incident. They may have always been there, most people don't have a smooth head..

 

[Marah]

She head the voices. She heard the person yell for help. she heard George right afterwards talking. At no time did she think it was George yelling for help. She heard it right out her window.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What difference would it have made for TM to call 911? The police were called and already on their way to the scene.

Why didn't GZ ever once identify himself as NW to TM?

But TM did not know that. It is a good point. If TM really felt scared he could have called 911 himself and stayed on the phone with them until they arrived.

But again.. Just a could of.. They both could have done some things differently.

I see this as a multitude of mess ups.

 

[nnglas]

That's it right there. George said he was just walking back to his truck and boom he was attacked. That doesn't jel with me. Clearly, Trayvon came back to confront George, but I don't beleive George was just ladidi-da-ing and was attacked.

Right. Because even he doesn't say that. GZ stated in his walkthrough video that he reached for his phone, and that is when TM hit him.


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[Words2Serve]

I can not listen to any lawyer without thinking "How would JUAN do it"

IF HE WAS THE DEFENSE LAWYER:


You actually had a cat name, bruno before leo, that you ran over, right!
You weren't actually in the top 3 for the olympics were you! In fact, you didn't qualify, blah, blah... WILMA: OBJECTION

It was dark, correct: YES
Could you clearly see the faces of the men with the voices: NO
Are you positive which man was yelling HELP! NO
Are you a voice specialist? NO
You don't know who yelled HELP, do you? YES OR NO!
You don't know who had the louder or softer voice, do you? YES OR NO!

No further questions.

 

[morrow68]

The amount of commercial breaks that HLN has been taking is driving me crazy.

 

[MeeBee]

Maybe he was.. Maybe he was indeed looking around to see if there were signs of a break in or anything suspicious going on. Maybe he thought there may be more than one person in the neighborhood.

I just think why he was out of the car and what he was doing matters little.

I don't think it does matter little. Sure, he may have just been doing what he thought was his duty. But look at this from Trayvon's perspective for just a moment, and assume Trayvon was not doing anything wrong because there is absolutely no proof that he was. A man is watching you, possibly following you in a car. You don't know him and you don't know his intentions. You freak out and run and he comes after you. To you, this man is following you and you have no idea why. When you grow some balls like Trayvon and ask him what his deal is, he acts confrontational and asks you what you're doing and says he has no problem.

It absolutely matters that George was outside of his car and following Trayvon. Sure, he had a legal right to do so, and no he was not obligated to identify himself and state his issues. But he should have. Definitely. Because then it just looks like a man who has a problem with you and is following you.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The thing is that when people are yelling, singing, they can sound completely different than when they are speaking.

 

[missmazzy]

The amount of commercial breaks that HLN has been taking is driving me crazy.

Watch online. I despise HLN. I'm currently using wftv.com , streamed from my iPhone to my Apple TV on my tv. That's how much I despise HLN.

 

[cityslick]

Here is what I think happened, based on what I know of the case and evidence.

I think GZ saw TM in his car, thought him suspicious and called NEN (as he's done in previous incidents). While on the phone he sees TM running. At that point he does something stupid he get out of his car, starts following TM and says 'they always get away'. I think he says this out of frustration. He's frustrated because he lives in a neighborhood that's been burgularized numerous times in the past and he's called in suspicious characters before and yet houses still are getting burglarized. So he decided to follow TM, but not because he was looking for a fight. I don't think he was even looking for a confrontation, he just wanted to keep his eye on him so that way when LE arrived (which he knows is coming because he's calling them) they can apprehend the suspicious person.

Well at some point he does in fact see/confront TM, perhaps not expecting it and asks him who he is. At that point it's up to debate how it starts but the fight ensues. I think at this point fear goes to GZ. I think this because this is a guy who doesn't normally get into fights (seems he tries to avoid confrontation) and when you suddenly get in one, you get scared. He winds up on his back, getting hit, maybe not enough to really hurt him but enough to put the fear of getting hurt real bad or worse. The gun comes out, shot goes out, TM is dead.

Would this be manslaughter? Perhaps, I don't know how to the law works in that respect. But this is my theory so far. It may change as we continue.

 

[iluvmua]

Because of an eye witness statement,I most seriously doubt Trayvon Martin harmed George Zimmerman at all.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/09/trayvon-martin-timeline_n_3412879.html


As an innocent bystander, she had no reason whatsoever to lie, whilst George Zimmerman of course has. I think he received his mild scratches by slipping on the wet sidewalk or grass ( onto the sidewalk ) and as another poster put forth, he had plenty of time to bash his own nose with that heavy flashlight before the police arrived.

Mary Cutcher has lied repeatedly, she is not a credible witness AT ALL.

She repeatedly changes her stories. She did not see a damn thing.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVM9Ar0-w0M"]Discovery: Mary Cutcher's Full Statement to Sanford PD - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MeeBee]

I've often wonder if GZ got his scratches from falling, or from some other means. Also, I do not believe that those bumps on his head were from this incident. They may have always been there, most people don't have a smooth head..

I think if these injuries were from Trayvon, then at the very least George exaggerated. That does not look the face of someone who has been repeatedly punched in the face or the head of someone repeatedly bashed into the cement by a big kid. Not saying it didn't happen, but maybe not as bad as George is saying.

 

[tpatte021]

Here are articles about the State hiding evidence from the defense:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/04/3126803/zimmerman-defense-prosecutors.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-bernie-de-la-rionda

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...her-prosecutors-angela-coreys-office-withheld

That's just the defense alleging the prosecution withheld evidence and the Judge deferred ruling until after the trial.

Again, posting things as fact when they aren't isn't allowed

 

[Words2Serve]

I've often wonder if GZ got his scratches from falling, or from some other means. Also, I do not believe that those bumps on his head were from this incident. They may have always been there, most people don't have a smooth head..

On another side, if I hear you, and another person outside my window, and I said it was Paper Doll that shot the person... I could still only 'guess' that it was you or 'assume' that I felt you would sound one way based on how you look, because I don't know you, and have never heard you speak. So if I said it was Paper Doll you would be like, How the hell do you know???

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Again I think this is about neighborhood watch committees needing to require those on watch WITH weapons to wear clear identification that they are neighborhood watch, and not just some random guy watching and following you.

Also there is too much discrepency between the Neighborhood watch codes and Stand Your Ground Laws.

According to neighborhood watch you should not attempt to apprehend or approach a suspicious person, but according to stand your ground laws, you can go on your property (even associative private property ) and confront a trespasser/use your gun for defense should the trespasser threaten you.

So it's just one big SAD story.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't think it does matter little. Sure, he may have just been doing what he thought was his duty. But look at this from Trayvon's perspective for just a moment, and assume Trayvon was not doing anything wrong because there is absolutely no proof that he was. A man is watching you, possibly following you in a car. You don't know him and you don't know his intentions. You freak out and run and he comes after you. To you, this man is following you and you have no idea why. When you grow some balls like Trayvon and ask him what his deal is, he acts confrontational and asks you what you're doing and says he has no problem.

It absolutely matters that George was outside of his car and following Trayvon. Sure, he had a legal right to do so, and no he was not obligated to identify himself and state his issues. But he should have. Definitely. Because then it just looks like a man who has a problem with you and is following you.

First, we have no idea what TM was doing. HE could have been doing anything out there. He could have been doing nothing but we have no evidence what he was doing.

I don't see any evidence that GZ was following him. None. He was out and walking around just like TM but no evidence he was tracking him or following TM.

GZ was in his neighborhood and on NW, Even not that night, He could have been looking at houses seeing if anything was out of place.

The thing is is by this time, If TM was doing nothing and just walking home, HE would have been home. He just would have.

 

[Karmady]

Mary Cutcher has lied repeatedly, she is not a credible witness AT ALL.

She repeatedly changes her stories. She did not see a damn thing.

Revise that, she admitted that what she says she saw was based on pictures of George in the media after the fact. Just went back and looked at her FB post.