George Zimmerman's injuries #2

[Concerned Papa]

Listen to the audio interviews conducted this is where you will find this:

"One responder said there was a “laceration at least an inch by a half-inch wide.”

“There were two lacerations at the back of his head, one deeper than the other,” another responder said during her interview. “We cleaned him up and got them to stop bleeding.”

1" x 1/2"? Looks like he's got about 10 1/2" to spare in the bandage department.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/22/2813681/zimmerman-rode-with-cops-ripped.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

 

[TorisMom003]

There was "suspected" blood on the flashlight? Did they do tests to make sure? I missed this as well.

The doc dump has suspected blood on the flashlight and the skittles bag. Neither apparently were tested to conclude for sure if it was blood or not. There is no report stating that it was or was not blood for either item. Page 47 of the following link states:

Two (2) swabs of suspected blood evidence collected from the skittles located with in item # DMS-10 and the flashlight located with in item # DMS-6.

Then on page 45 of the following states what DMS-10 and DMS-6 are:

DMS-10 - Personal effects - collected from with in the victim's pockets.
DMS-6 - Flashlight - one (1) black colored flashlight located and collected in the grass of a courtyard between buildings. Object marker # 5.

There is no report for either of these items in the doc dump as to what the test concluded, if a test was done.

link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor

 

[Karmady]

I find it interesting that this report claims his nose was broken and yet the latest report from the doc dump claims "likely" broken. So which is the true report?????? What was ABC given with the understanding that their's was the original doctor's report. Can someone explain that??? I'm confused. jmo

It's the same report. "Likely" is in the narrative section (didn't notice the title of that section) and the closed fracture is in the diagnosis section at the end of the report.

 

[gxm]

But that was not what GZ stated. He said TM jumped him at the cross walk and knocked him down and started beating his head. If TM was on top and got away why would GZ chase him to the spot where TM was killed? jmo

I don't think GZ chased TM. I think he was trying to get away from TM until TM finally pinned him on the ground and he had no other choice, in his mind, but to used deadly force.

I can also understand how GZ's story could "change" as he went into more details. Pure Speculation: I can see how, "I was hit and fell down" could change to "I was hit and the punch threw me to the ground several feet away." IMO, they are both the same statement, one with more detail than the other.

JMO, OMO, and MOO

 

[HiHater]

I don't think GZ chased TM. I think he was trying to get away from TM until TM finally pinned him on the ground and he had no other choice, in his mind, but to used deadly force.

I can also understand how GZ's story could "change" as he went into more details. Pure Speculation: I can see how, "I was hit and fell down" could change to "I was hit and the punch threw me to the ground several feet away." IMO, they are both the same statement, one with more detail than the other.

JMO, OMO, and MOO

the 911 tape is proof that gz chased trayvon imo

 

[tlcya]

Since he was cleaned up at the scene, the blood under his ear in this photo taken at the SPD would be fresh blood.

EMT's are not known to clean people up with the same attention to detail or vigor as one might during a bath. Their standard of cleaning a wound is not meant to achieve absolute cleanliness. they are concerned with cleaning away the blood and/or debris enough to efficiently offer emergency aid to the victim, not completely remove all trace of blood.

So we cannot know if that speck of blood beneath his beard area and the one beneath his earlobe are fresh (post EMT attention) or not (pre EMT attention). It may be - it may not be.

 

[suzihawk]

Horseshoe shaped injury and the phone. I've circled the corner of the phone which is rounded on the visible side. If hit just right, the cut would resemble the one on GZ. JMO

Attachment: Enlarged screenshot from this link.

Not even close. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Karmady]

And that's all well and good........but none of that changes the wording that was there, that I used. And I sure the state will hammer him on it. Who wins that battle remains to be seen.

Just pointing out what the diagnosis was and that it did not say likely.

Personally, I doubt the State will hammer on it because, with two black eyes, a swollen and bloody nose a diagnosis of closed fracture and no x-ray to disprove it (which is not unusual), it won't really matter whether the word likely was used elsewhere in the report. jmo

 

[vlpate]

EMT's are not known to clean people up with the same attention to detail or vigor as one might during a bath. Their standard of cleaning a wound is not meant to achieve absolute cleanliness. they are concerned with cleaning away the blood and/or debris enough to efficiently offer emergency aid to the victim, not completely remove all trace of blood.

So we cannot know if that spec of blood beneath his beard area and the one beneath his earlobe are fresh (post EMT attention) or not (pre EMT attention). It may be - it may not be.

I tend to doubt they missed all of this:

 

[elementary]

After taking a closer look at the photos of Zimmerman I noticed something. It appears that immediately after the head injuries Zimmerman was in a face down position. The longer blood lines are not straight down the back of his head, they go under the ear on one side, along his jaw line and into his beard. On the other side, they go to his ear. The back of his head shows the straight down the back of his head blood lines are much shorter and appear to be from an upright position. I am not a professional, however after dealing with my own cuts and my childrens cuts I would have to say that the picture evidence proves that Zimmerman was not held down on the ground having his head bashed onto the sidewalk repeatedly. It appears that the shorter blood lines were when the bleeding had almost stopped.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/255747/250/Docs-shed-light-on-Trayvon-Martin-killing

MOO

You make some good observations! I recall that when we got the picture before the discovery, people couldn't understand why the blood ran in those directions if GZ was allegedly on his back being pummelled by Trayvon. And if he were on his back, why is the blood not smudged up? Certainly, standing up, he still wouldn't have the blood on the left course towards his ear.

 

[persnickety]

1" x 1/2"? Looks like he's got about 10 1/2" to spare in the bandage department.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/22/2813681/zimmerman-rode-with-cops-ripped.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

Good afternoon ConcernedPapa. Is there any way that could do a screenshot of his face like you've done on the back of his head?

Thank you very much.

 

[suzihawk]

What is this link?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/...-cops-ripped.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

 

[TorisMom003]

IF the wounds were still bleeding when the EMT was done with Zimmerman, where are the bandages? If liquid bandage was used then the bleeding still would have not started up again. So EMT cleaned up Zimmerman, stopped the bleeding completely, neglected to place a bandage on the wounds and then on the way to the police station the wounds began to bleed again to the point that we have that much blood flow in a short period of time? Also, the blood is not fresh as in bright red, IMO, it appears to be dark red dried and coagulated blood.

MOO

 

[vlpate]

Just pointing out what the diagnosis was and that it did not say likely.

Personally, I doubt the State will hammer on it because, with two black eyes, a swollen and bloody nose a diagnosis of closed fracture and no x-ray to disprove it (which is not unusual), it won't really matter whether the word likely was used elsewhere in the report. jmo

"X-ray films are often not helpful because injuries to the cartilage do not show up. (Most of the nose is cartilage.)
Looking at the nose after the swelling is gone (day 5 to 7) is the best way to tell if it is really fractured. Delayed surgery also helps the surgeon better see what needs to be fixed."
LINK

 

[tlcya]

I tend to doubt they missed all of this:

I was responding to your post (#132) showing blood located beneath the earlobe of GZ and the photo you linked within that post.

Obviously the photo you now link and wish to discuss shows some IMO minor bleeding still ongoing.

We disagree on many aspects of this case. That is not likely to change.

 

[LambChop]

Not even close. But that's just my opinion.

Yes, the phone would leave an impression like a L with a rounded corner. This looks like it could have been the flashlight. jmo

 

[vlpate]

I was responding to your post (#132) showing blood located beneath the earlobe of GZ and the photo you linked within that post.

Obviously the photo you now link and wish to discuss shows some IMO minor bleeding still ongoing.

We disagree on many aspects of this case. That is not likely to change.

BEM: I'm not out to change anyone's mind, and I, as always, respect your opinion.

The picture was linked by another poster from photos taken at the same time by SPD. If you look closely at the photo posted by the other poster (in my original response), you will see a trail from the back of the head to that spot of blood beneath his ear. My point being, this happened after the EMT's cleaned him up, IMO, and he probably leaned his head forward while in the squad car.

I just don't think it is from the altercation (GZ on top), or there would be more blood trailing toward his face.

JMO

 

[Concerned Papa]

Good afternoon ConcernedPapa. Is there any way that could do a screenshot of his face like you've done on the back of his head?

Thank you very much.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/22/2813681/zimmerman-rode-with-cops-ripped.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

 

[tlcya]

BEM: I'm not out to change anyone's mind, and I, as always, respect your opinion.

The picture was linked by another poster from photos taken at the same time by SPD. If you look closely at the photo posted by the other poster (in my original response), you will see a trail from the back of the head to that spot of blood beneath his ear. My point being, this happened after the EMT's cleaned him up, IMO, and he probably leaned his head forward while in the squad car.

I just don't think it is from the altercation (GZ on top), or there would be more blood trailing toward his face.

JMO

Respect yours as well, not used to disagreeing with you on a case, lol. Thanks for the back story behind how we got to the post I was responding to. My own bad for checking in a werk and not reading the previous pages.

 

[i.b.nora]

The blood under the earlobe/s was there immediately following the killing of Trayvon Martin, and is apparent in this photo. This is before the medics showed up.

ABCNews photo